Open Letter to Ron Jackson...

[Vito]

Please include ALL Registry Domain Sales.

Please level the playing ground with all extensions Registry Sales.
We all know each .xxx, and .co Registry sales are reported but why not include ALL Domain Sales?

Read More here...
http://www.analyze.tv/2012/02/14/op...rnal-please-report-all-registry-domain-sales/

Thanks,
Vito

 

[gpmgroup]

Ron's a really approachable guy and does an incredible amount of good for the whole domain industry so I'm puzzled why didn't you just ask about the specific sales you believe have not being listed?

I'm sure he would list any sales irrespective of extension if he was supplied with the necessary checks and proofs he seeks.

We keep a close eye on another extension and I know there are sales which never make DNJournal - There could be a whole number of reasons why these are not listed - Never get reported to DNJ, the sellers or buyers ask for privacy perhaps, the transactions couldn't be verified, whois privacy etc.

 

[Fonzie]

He's not an all-seeing eye.
He relies on submissions. I seriously doubt that he's blackballing .tv.

Certain TLD fanboys may think that because they live and breathe on news about their pet extension and monitor every little fragment of motion that goes on in their niche space, but they can't expect everyone else to be that OCD about it. If there are big sales, report them to him.

 

[mwzd]

Have you considered reporting the sales to DNJ directly?

Whenever we have submitted a sale, with proof, to DNJ, it has been published, irrespective of the extension, am sure this holds true for all others as well.

The only people who could have issues getting a 'sale' listed are probably those that can't authenticate the transaction, for whatever reason.

Ron Jackson is a class act and has done more for the cause of promoting domain investing than a lot of us combined, think this could have been approached a lot more tactfully.

Just my 0.02

 

[equity78]

I think the op is talking about sales that are purchased on the drop. There is no seller to email Ron. If Lot.tv drops and has a $1300 one time premium to register, I think the op wants Ron to report that, but I don't think Ron could ever keep track of that, it would be daily registrations and hard for Ron to list.

The thinking is that some sales in .co and .xxx are just the registry selling them but I think they are verified and wrong can add those, they usually are for bigger amounts too, so its more worthy of being reported on DN Journal. Now there have been some big .tv names dropped and they were picked up in the $10,000 range. A couple LL.tv did that last year. So it would be interesting if Ron had some way to get those listed.

 

[freedom30]

Please include ALL Registry Domain Sales.

Please level the playing ground with all extensions Registry Sales.
We all know each .xxx, and .co Registry sales are reported but why not include ALL Domain Sales?

Read More here...
http://www.analyze.tv/2012/02/14/op...rnal-please-report-all-registry-domain-sales/

Thanks,
Vito

...Great post and I appreciate you putting it out there.

Should Ron Jackson be the "class act" that many say he is(and I have absolutely no reason to doubt that he is), I am sure that he would not be offended one bit at the queries presented on your post and more than likely be happy to answer them honestly.

 

[equity78]

I will say I have spoken to Ron many times and he has told me he would rather get an email. Contact him at editor at dnjournal.com.

I have sent him this thread Vito, and hopefully he will get back to me today about it.

 

[Vito]

Im working now so I don't have to much time to really comment but thanks everyone.

I know there is a way to do this...just have to figure out how.

Thx again.

 

[equity78]

We report domain sales, not domain registrations ( which have always been priced at dozens of different levels depending on the registrar - .TV just took it to a wild extreme on the upside). Anyone can register an available name at a set price (if they can pay the registration fee). The registry sales are made from either auctions or direct private negotiations with a buyer. There is not a set price where anyone who wants that name can just buy it as you see with registrations.
*
Ron

 

[lennco]

I wrote to Ron in late November asking about a huge sale that he didn't post and wondered why.

It was ForexStars.com that sold in early November for $100,000

He never wrote me back.
I still wonder why that huge sale wasn't posted.

But I do agree that Ron does do a great job, I look forward to his list every Wednesday.

 

[equity78]

Lennco funny I emailed him too about that. He said sedo did not include it in the data must have wanted private but we saw it on the feed and then they removed the domain.

 

[lennco]

Lennco funny I emailed him too about that. Jessie Sedona did not include it in the data must have wanted private but we saw it on the feed and then they removed the domain.

Oh ok, I also wondered about Sedo's Buy Now sales, I sold a domain last month for $1,500 and It didn't get posted either.

Does Sedo's Buy Now sales not get released?

 

[DU]

We report domain sales, not domain registrations ( which have always been priced at dozens of different levels depending on the registrar - .TV just took it to a wild extreme on the upside). Anyone can register an available name at a set price (if they can pay the registration fee). The registry sales are made from either auctions or direct private negotiations with a buyer. There is not a set price where anyone who wants that name can just buy it as you see with registrations.
*
Ron

So let me get this straight.

When a registrar acts as a broker of a fixed price name (i.e. lot.tv @ $1300) it's different than when Sedo acts as a broker of a fixed price name on its marketplace? The only reason I can think of is because the seller is a registry.

When a registry directly sells a name via a broker, such as Sedo, it's different and counts because the broker is not a registrar?

Did that about capture it?

Was dolpin.co a Sedo buy it now name? I presume that if some fool was to buy a .CO registry name from Sedo that would count as a sale going forwardas it would be reported by Sedo AND the registry but there would be zero negotiation (see Chef.co) for an example.

I don't care but the sale criteria seems random to me.

Registry sales not through registrar: reportable.
Registry sales through registrar: not reportable.

The irony being of course that I can almost guarantee the price paid at a registrar (because it would require collusion between registrar/registry) but I don't trust a registry "private" sale as far as I could spit.

 

[freedom30]

So let me get this straight.

When a registrar acts as a broker of a fixed price name (i.e. lot.tv @ $1300) it's different than when Sedo acts as a broker of a fixed price name on its marketplace? The only reason I can think of is because the seller is a registry.

When a registry directly sells a name via a broker, such as Sedo, it's different and counts because the broker is not a registrar?

Did that about capture it?

Was dolpin.co a Sedo buy it now name? I presume that if some fool was to buy a .CO registry name from Sedo that would count as a sale going forwardas it would be reported by Sedo AND the registry but there would be zero negotiation (see Chef.co) for an example.

I don't care but the sale criteria seems random to me.

Registry sales not through registrar: reportable.
Registry sales through registrar: not reportable.

The irony being of course that I can almost guarantee the price paid at a registrar (because it would require collusion between registrar/registry) but I don't trust a registry "private" sale as far as I could spit.

...uhhhh, yeah...

 

[equity78]

Ron sent me this.

Here is what Ron emailed me after the first.

To boil the .tv situation down, the reporting issues are:

1) The registry themselves defines these transactions as registrations – not sales.

2) They have open registration prices – though extremely high ones – with registration open to anyone (as long as they haves the money to register the name).

3) With respect to #2, it is true that the standard aftermarket there are Buy Now and auction sales, so if the .TV registry did two things – 1) define their high end registrations as sales and 2) (and most important) REPORT the sales like the other registries do. If that proof doesn’t come from one of the parties directly involved in the transaction (the seller or the buyer who can provide proof of the amount paid), it cannot be verified and thus, would not be eligible for us to report - which is true of all domains.

Ron

 

[DU]

(and most important) REPORT the sales like the other registries do. If that proof doesn’t come from one of the parties directly involved in the transaction (the seller or the buyer who can provide proof of the amount paid), it cannot be verified and thus, would not be eligible for us to report - which is true of all domains.

Ron

So wouldn't that be the registrar?

So if Name.com were to report would that suffice, I wonder? It's the (most important) half after all.

Registration vs Sale is a purely semantic argument. If that's the way that it is then that's the way that it is. To be fair he doesn't report "website" sales either so he is trying to be independent even if I do disagree in part.

Nice of him to respond at all though it would make more sense to post in the forum here than to email you!

 

[freedom30]

...Nice of him to respond at all though it would make more sense to post in the forum here than to email you!

...Hey DU

Reading the post I detected a little "squeeze" with your handshake to Ron. Facts he presented seemed sound enough to me.

...and a previous post stated that Mr. Jackson does not respond in forums. If this is a Universal application that he adheres to, I see no reason to question his rationale. That sounds reasonable to me as well....

 

[equity78]

Understood DU but if I did not email him he would have never even seen it, as he spends little to no time on the forums other than posting the weekly sales report.

Hello Ken, Ron said he prefers for people to email him and he does not check the forums that often. I emailed him to get Vito his answer. If anyone does not like his answer, email him at editor at dnjournal.com.

Hope this helped.

 

[DU]

...Hey DU
Reading the post I detected a little "squeeze" with your handshake to Ron. Facts he presented seemed sound enough to me.

None intended. He's consistent which is what matters (same for .PRO/.WS sales - not sure how many they have). He also tries to exclude "site" sales vs "domain" sales, for example, and I'm sure that arguments could be had there so his methods are reasoned. If his answer had been "errrrr......" then it would be different.

He has his method and it's his alone and I don't feel too strongly one way or another. I don't own or run DN Journal. Ron does and does so fairly well.

...and a previous post stated that Mr. Jackson does not respond in forums.

Understood DU but if I did not email him he would have never even seen it

I only thought posting here would have been more convenient than having Equity be a middle man.
Nothing more was intended!

The thanks was genuine, no subtext

 

[freedom30]

Hello Ken, Ron said he prefers for people to email him and he does not check the forums that often...

...and that seems apropos for someone that is as busy as he is with the journal...thanx, Ray!