New gTLD count as of 22 March

[Kate]

Hello,

It's been a few weeks since the new gTLDs were allocated so I thought it would be interesting to post some charts with current registration figures. Here they are.
Note that some TLDs are not open to the public yet. The zones then typically contain nothing more than a few test domains including nic.gtld...

However, if you have bought domains in a particular TLD, you can see how it's been doing so far vs other TLDs

        45119  guru                                      
        39251  berlin                                    
        28816  photography                               
        16121  tips                                      
        15955  today                                     
        11443  technology                                
        10366  directory                                 
         9366  company                                   
         9285  clothing                                  
         9127  land                                      
         9046  bike                                      
         8659  gallery                                   
         7788  estate                                    
         7405  photos                                    
         7166  center                                    
         6562  equipment                                 
         6077  singles                                   
         5590  sexy                                      
         5051  ventures                                  
         4419  graphics                                  
         4256  systems                                   
         4175  academy                                   
         3937  holdings                                  
         3912  lighting                                  
         3777  plumbing                                  
         3518  construction                              
         3383  careers                                   
         3374  camera                                    
         3324  domains                                   
         3150  management                                
         3070  contractors                               
         2916  kitchen                                   
         2880  xn--q9jyb4c                               
         2671  shoes                                     
         2416  diamonds                                  
         2410  enterprises                               
         2238  xn--mgba3a4f16a.ir                        
         2054  menu                                      
         1800  voyage                                    
         1750  computer                                  
         1708  xn--ngbc5azd                              
         1673  recipes                                   
         1489  cab                                       
         1377  limo                                      
         1266  tattoo                                    
         1210  uno                                       
         1109  xn--ygbi2ammx                             
          335  email                                     
          267  solutions                                 
          245  support                                   
          219  ruhr                                      
          181  xn--fzc2c9e2c                             
          156  training                                  
          128  ceo                                       
          123  edu.kw                                    
           96  buzz                                      
           90  xn--xkc2al3hye2a                          
           89  guitars                                   
           73  pics                                      
           60  onl                                       
           55  xn--3ds443g                               
           53  photo                                     
           52  xn--fiq228c5hs                            
           50  builders                                  
           33  link                                      
           32  blue                                      
           28  xn--6frz82g                               
           21  pink                                      
           17  boutique                                  
           16  red                                       
           14  shiksha                                   
           14  okinawa                                   
           13  watch                                     
           13  tienda                                    
           13  bargains                                  
           11  zone                                      
           11  works                                     
           11  marketing                                 
           11  institute                                 
           11  cool                                      
            9  villas                                    
            9  viajes                                    
            9  vacations                                 
            9  solar                                     
            9  repair                                    
            9  rentals                                   
            9  properties                                
            9  productions                               
            9  partners                                  
            9  maison                                    
            9  kim                                       
            9  international                             
            9  house                                     
            9  holiday                                   
            9  glass                                     
            9  foundation                                
            9  florist                                   
            9  flights                                   
            9  farm                                      
            9  exposed                                   
            9  expert                                    
            9  events                                    
            9  education                                 
            9  dating                                    
            9  cruises                                   
            9  condos                                    
            9  coffee                                    
            9  codes                                     
            9  cheap                                     
            9  camp                                      
            9  agency                                    
            8  wien                                      
            8  vision                                    
            8  tools                                     
            8  supply                                    
            8  supplies                                  
            8  report                                    
            8  parts                                     
            8  industries                                
            8  fish                                      
            8  community                                 
            8  cleaning                                  
            8  catering                                  
            8  cards                                     
            7  xn--c1avg                                 
            7  voto                                      
            7  vote                                      
            7  christmas                                 
            6  tokyo                                     
            6  nagoya                                    
            6  monash                                    
            5  wed                                       
            3  xn--unup4y                                
            2  social                                    
            2  rich                                      
            2  ninja                                     
            2  moda                                      
            2  luxury                                    
            2  kaufen                                    
            2  immobilien                                
            2  gift                                      
            2  democrat                                  
            2  dance                                     
            2  build                                     
            2  bid

 

[JB Lions]

And you know what, the .com won't still be there waiting for them either? So, what's your point on this?

Actually went over this before as well, even using bike examples.

You want a great keyword, Mr. Business?

keyword.com - gone
keyword.newextension - gone

then what?

Get original, company name, keyword+another keyword etc.

Now with that, would that be better on:

.com

or

.somesecondratenoveltynichenewextension

?

 

[DU]

Don't bother reading..it's too long.

you really think its going to cost much in the future for existing registries already operating 100+ gTLD's to gobble up gTLD's from "failed registries" ?
consolidation will happen... 1,000 failures deleted from the root? thats a medical pipedream.

Absolutely true. Most of the infrastructure is standardized/outsourced. It's just not that difficult to manage.

That's the whole point. The things that work today will continue to work. No worries. Not a zero-sum game either.
Likewise, reports of .com's death have been greatly exaggerated.

Tell that to the magazine, automotive, newsmedia, movie, restaurant, telecom, banking, construction, and retail industries. Things that work today? They work today. Things that work today? They *might* work tomorrow.

Just curious, have you ever paid attention to the numbers in your domainer lifetime? You do know when new extensions come out, the big numbers tend to come early, not later. Especially with niche extensions with a limited supply of good keywords? Or does that just escape you? Every single day out, the names you can register just get worse. It doesn't take long to figure out which ones are just going to suck, no matter how much time elapses. It also doesn't take much to figure out which ones will be duds, even before they hit the market. Don't need some million/billion dollar company research to figure it out.

The numbers in prior launches, as stated, have come predominantly from investors. A lot of the names that *would* have been registered by domainers haven't because they are listed as premium or are richer than a normal investment. It's harder to justify $30 reg fees. Also there are more combinations coming at one time.

The numbers are depressed, in part, because the entire market dynamic is different. To compare to a prior release one would probably want to aggregate the numbers - this might act as a better comparison.

Your position requires a paradigm shift. I do not see it happening.

This is a market forced paradigm shift. It's not one that domainers have any control over.

DU - you are weird. every now and again i login and see you "liked" or "thanked" 500 people in a row for their posts. start being more normal.

If you want, I can exclude you in the future. As a general rule - if you post in the DU & Johname thread you get thanked - end of discussion. Also, certain threads get the same treatment from me.. why? Because I think it makes sense to thank people who contribute to a discussion. I don't do it in all threads - just ones that I think are interesting (or borderline as there is very little interesting generally). I might catch the odd shitty post here or there - but that doesn't bother me. I even thanked HeyNow on this thread (and it was deserved)... but in case you care, I did read every one of the posts.

But my final comments - and it's really addressing what I think is a critical difference between now and the past that has been broadly overlooked.

It won't take that many something.something to hit common usage for people to be comfortable with that concept of a non .com. non .co.uk etc. but just with a something . something. Once you get comfortable with that concept then ANY gTLD suddenly has merits to someone looking for an address. Registries don't care so much about the traction created by their .gTLD as the concept in general. This week alone I went to two websites that were on a .CO and advertised as a .CO. You think they care? Hell no, most people find them through their facebook page anyway.

From an investment perspective - it's impossible to find a truly valuable something.something because it is an almost an unlimited pool and with a more business focused management on the registries part (registries don't have the same restrictions that a country code would, or even a .com). Investing in a gTLD is risky and likely to result in a loss for most people. Given the choice of a decent .com and keyword .gTLD there's no reason a decent .com won't be used... and a decent .com can be had for way less than the $$$$ people think they cost. Maybe not your perfect choice but certainly a good one.

When it was a release limited to .mobi, as an example, we were expecting people to understand one extension - and then it came with a stupid platform concept. Now we're not. Now all we're asking the world at large is - can you type in two words separated by a dot. The answer is definitely going to be less. In fact, it already is yes. Only other factors can ruin things - improper usage, greed, collapse or bad ending of a few registries (don't anticipate this - failed registries can easily be consolidated) but just things that affect the INTEGRITY of the concept. The concept itself is simple. Though none of this has killed the internet yet. Trust is implicitly built on fake familiarity that your brain creates (so keyword.com seems more trustworthy than keyword.biz and adadawqeqe.com). But that familiarity is not absolute.

As has been stated, a lot of names are premium priced (I assume first year reg maybe annually?). There are a lot of great keywords not regged because domainers aren't risking $500+ on a guess. A small business doesn't view this risk in the same way. The pool of interest is different - it wont just be gamblers/investors - it will be people with a different purpose.

I'm beginning to wonder if this won't just blow up the whole name space such that an entire secondary market changes. Things like that have happened before - there are plenty of industries that are falling to the wayside as technology and general usage of the internet changes. I'm am convinced that the value of domain names will continue to drop...I always have been. I'm a huge believer in that $0-5000 market being where you can buy an awesome name. I do see general names just getting worth less and less if people get comfortable with something . something. I would be willing to bet that everyone on this thread has looked to see who registered some of the names (even just morbid curiousity). You can't tell me for one moment that your brain and hand recoiled at not adding a .com. It just didn't. Some domains just work as a something . something.

The only thing I see being somewhat of a hindrance to this total collapse theory is that still only a few keywords make sense and it will take content providers. There is no value to keywordkeyword.solutions only keyword.solutions (and these are all $$$ reserved). There are fewer content providers than really it appears.

Anyway. I registered one for a blog and it's worth $0. I also registered a .com today that's worth $0...

 

[bmugford]

you're talking in circles. focus. the point is end users dont care which gTLD has "the most registrations" so as long as the TLD exists thats all that matters.

At this point it is safe to say that end users just don't care about the new extensions in general. There is virtually no end user awareness in the real world.

The vast majority of the registrations are domainers, many being new to domains and seeing this as a second gold rush.

The clusterf*** when it comes to reserved domains (ICANN and registry), variable pricing, expensive renewals, etc. is not helping either.

Brad

 

[bmugford]

i pointed out you're trying to have it both ways. first ohhhhh the registry is gonna fail because lack of registrations.... and at the same time everything is taken. right right, which one is it?

Right now most of the registries are just selling scraps. The highest quality keywords are not available as they are on the ICANN collision list or registry reserved.

I do understand your point that to an end user it might not matter if .Photography has 1000 or 50,000 domains taken if they can register the domain they want.

However to a registry that number certainly does matter. Without lots of domains actually in use, awareness will remain low. If awareness is low then demand will be low. Not many people are going to want to hitch their business to a loser extension.

Brad

 

[hawkeye]

... i dont understand why people are paying any attention to how many of each gTLD are registered..

People aren't paying attention, only the anti-gTLDers are! I guess they find it (for some reason) as some kind of a validation of 'their' pov on these new gtlds. Of course, 'they' are the only ones doing so, so if it makes them feel 'validated'.. so be it.

 

[mjnels]

Well there are hundreds of TLDs including ccTLDs.

im talking about "new gTLD" before new gTLD came out - .travel .pro .mobi .info, etc..

Hosters and prospective registrars are interested in seeing which ones they should offer to customers.

the data is irrelevant this early. its flooded. its all a crapshoot.

People aren't paying attention, only the anti-gTLDers are! I guess they find it (for some reason) as some kind of a validation of 'their' pov on these new gtlds. Of course, 'they' are the only ones doing so, so if it makes them feel 'validated'.. so be it.

people are ignoring the game has COMPLETELY changed and either trying to find a way to make money as a domainer with them or a way to prove somebody is going to lose money with them.

its all irrelevant. its all shit happening in the meantime. maybe 1 or 5 or 10 TLD's can "go away" and fade into the background... but bitter domainers are DREAMING if they think something this huge, as a whole - is going to just fade away like .mobi.. its pretty hilarious.

also, "domainers" going waayyyy nuts at their first chance to register "good" domains are going to get a wakeup call when the crash happens. im pretty sure a crash is going to happen... people think stuff is cheap now just wait until the drops happen. single letter TLD's for under $100 - probably possible. good domain hacks that were originally reserved for $50 - probably.

the problem is most anti-gTLD people know a crash is going to happen but when it does they'll try using that as "evidence" the "idea as a whole" is not viable. the two things are not connected.

 

[scandiman]

i dont think registration #'s are relevant anymore. i doubt they were relevant when only 20 TLD's existed..

it means nothing in a sea of 1,000 TLD's. if somebody wants to explain why they think registration #'s of each individual TLD mean anything at all - go right ahead. unless you're a registry i dont understand why people are paying any attention to how many of each gTLD are registered..

Could at the very least be an indicator of a registries financial viability.

 

[Keith]

Based on this deduction, you must know, and can/will share with us here, what kind of numbers each extension is 'basing their relevance' on!! Or is it the same 'number' for each one?

Each one has operating costs that I doubt will be met with minuscule registrations. This is a classic case of businesses trying to operate with no business. Doesn't work that way :bah:

 

[Keith]

1,000 TLD are going to be deleted from the root? unlikely.

Is .mobi deleted? How often are you visiting those types of sites? How much are domainers making off them? They're worthless to the world. Non-existence isn't the question. It's a matter of the public knowing or caring about 1000 tlds. They certainly don't care and can't care because they'll never be aware of their existence.

 

[JB Lions]

?? So, because domainers (that you know of) are not making money off certain extensions, they're 'worthless to the world', though they are still in existence and still selling and being renewed and being used in parts of the world you don't know, web surf in, or visit? The knowledge that can be gained in a domainer forum is ... astonishing.

Actually .mobi has been slowly losing numbers. Lost almost 150,000 last couple of months.

 

[Keith]

And to think, multi-billion and million dollar companies and businesses, didn't put any thought or research into this scenario. You could have been a national hero and would have saved a lot of businesses a lot of money, if you would have shared this small piece of business 101 info with them before.

:music:

Silly thought.

First, provide a list of these billion dollar companies that use these knockoffs for their businesses. Second, this was the same thinking with .mobi. Remember all those huge backers that were all for it? I'm literally laughing while scratching my head...

 

[Kate]

And to think, multi-billion and million dollar companies and businesses, didn't put any thought or research into this scenario.

1. .mobi supposedly couldn't fail because it was 'backed' by heavyweight like google nokia visa etc.
But it's not like those industry giants succeed at everything they do... failures are part of doing business.

2. .tel has got millions in funding.
A look at .Tel’s 14 year, £25 million journey
But any seasoned domainer could figure out this thing was DOA even before it hits the shelves.
You find that clever ? I don't :]
But the registries are like the newbie domainers, with blinders on, big dreams and oblivious to the past. They firmly believe they will succeed where others failed.
Just because you are an investor with money doesn't mean you have common sense. And it's probably OPM anyway (other people's money)

 

[bmugford]

at this point huh? the 3 month point? w3rd son.. lets wrap this investigation up then. _\|/_

I am just pointing out the current reality. You are the one who is projecting the future.

Will end users adopt the new extensions in mass? Maybe. Maybe not.

Unless there is some type of normalization of the process I don't really expect many end users to be that interested. They are busy running their business. It is confusing enough for domainers nevermind to people in the real world.

Brad

 

[bmugford]

normalization has started. type awesomebike.com into godaddy.

rats, its taken and for sale at $9,898.00

but hey look, whats this new .bike extension right below that. bam.. and they didnt even have to take a college course to figure out it exists.

It is not confusing?

Donuts for instance has EAP, variable registration fees, variable renewal fees, and even those vary greatly by registrar as well.

Many of the better terms come with "premium" renewal fees that range from standard fee, to hundreds or thousands of dollars a year.

Your position requires a paradigm shift. I do not see it happening.

Brad

 

[Kate]

JB.. you're talking in circles again. numbers dont matter to end users.

someone considering registering .bike isnt going to check how many domains are registered. you're in da domainer bubble.

It's true the figures don't matter to end users.
The end users will usually mimic their competitors and blend with the business environment. When everybody around you uses .com, it's not easy to go with a string nobody is familiar with.
Somebody has got to start the ball rolling, but without the first mover advantage.

Again, it's early but the figures do not suggest that reception by end users is overwhelming. Domainers talk a lot about new TLDs while everybody else just carries on with life.

I will continue to keep track of the stats, and bring the bad news
The figures do matter for shareholders though.
We all have opinions but what about some facts. Figures are factual.

 

[DU]

balanced post DU. so balanced theres just nothing sexy about it.

be more extreme on one side or the other, for gosh sakes. a post that long requires at least one completely unique joke of "hey when is .sucks and .waste coming out lolololol"

I'm going to apply for .thanks and .rep

I'm also going to reg namepros.sucks and sell it to matt for more than I paid for it ... just like when I regged namepros.xxx

(i didn't really reg namepros.xxx)

 

[Ms Domainer]

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Numbers DO matter, and none of the new gTLDs is ever going to surpass .com.

They were never meant to.

In other words, .shoes is not going to enjoy 113,000,000 registrations. It's too specific to one niche.

The same with .Berlin, .NYC, and .London. Will Berliners, New Yorkers, and Londoners adopt their city gTLD? I don't know for sure -- although I think it's possible that the geocities will do well, but limited to specific geographical areas. When I lived in Macedonia, I rarely saw a .com on billboards and in the newspaper; they proudly use .mk, .com.mk, org.mk, and edu.mk. They don't worry if .mk is "successful" or not -- Macedonian companies simply use it, and the citizens accept it.

There is room for niche geo and product-specific domains with limited registration numbers, but, in the end, it will be end users who determine ultimate success, not domainers. For one thing, the possibilities for, say, a premium generic .shoes domain is surprisingly limited. Try listing some that make sense. It's difficult. Even if you could register silver.shoes or opentoed.shoes, why would you? Unless you plan to use it as a name for a business, selling just silver or open-toed shoes is pretty narrow in scope for a shoe business.

I think you'll see Ma and Pa stores opting for a MyStoreName.shoes, that is, if you can convince them that MyStoreName.shoes is better than MyStoreNameShoes.com. That isn't clear yet and certainly not the case in the present. Ma and Pa shoe store owners do not yet know about about .shoes, and maybe they never will. It depends on how much the registries are willing to advertise. Say what you will about Go Daddy, but this company pretty much put domain names on the radar of average people because it went big and bold in its advertising.

So far, I'm just hearing peeps from the registries; scrolling banners on domainer blogs are just not going to cut it.

I regged some nice geo .land domains, but, again, in a geographical sense, these are limited (although one can do some creative naming with words ending in "Land," which is why I like it and why end users might as well).

Believing that the new gTLDs will be The Next BIG, BIG THING may be a bit too optimistic, and I fear that too many domainers are betting the bank on a future that may be slow to evolve.

I think it will evolve, especially if major companies start using their own dotBrands, but companies tend to be conservative and slow at change. So don't expect that in the next 10-15 years.

Just my two cents.

*

 

[mjnels]

i dont think registration #'s are relevant anymore. i doubt they were relevant when only 20 TLD's existed..

it means nothing in a sea of 1,000 TLD's. if somebody wants to explain why they think registration #'s of each individual TLD mean anything at all - go right ahead. unless you're a registry i dont understand why people are paying any attention to how many of each gTLD are registered..

 

[JB Lions]

i dont think registration #'s are relevant anymore. i doubt they were relevant when only 20 TLD's existed..

it means nothing in a sea of 1,000 TLD's. if somebody wants to explain why they think registration #'s of each individual TLD mean anything at all - go right ahead. unless you're a registry i dont understand why people are paying any attention to how many of each gTLD are registered..

That's already been gone over in other threads, you know this. The numbers pretty much suck.

Just one thread - https://www.namepros.com/gtld-discussion/817471-new-gtld-domain-extensions.html

 

[mjnels]

That's already been gone over in other threads, you know this.

lets go over it again. cause most you guys are wrong.

if 1,000 restaurants opened on my street next year - i could pay attention to which restraunt was the most popular.

OR

i could pay attention to the larger picture of how the neighborhood "options" completely changed overnight. with something like 500x the amount of TLD's being released in one year - when before it was just maybe 2 per year - you guys are not seeing the forest for the trees.. who cares about registration #'s unless you're a registry.

because... there could be .guru with 8,000,000 registrations and no active well known websites... and there could be .kitchen with only 20 registrations and 4 hugely popular, nationally advertised websites. thats why registration numbers are meaningless unless you're a registry. there is going to be no "most popular TLD" anymore... those days of dreaming are most likely OVER.

we can argue gTLD isnt ever going to be used but the attention paid to "how many domains got registered during yadda yadda amount of time" is completely meaningless at this point unless you're a registry. 8^X

 

[JB Lions]

lets go over it again.

Why, are you a glutton for punishment? Low regs = low demand. Less chance of getting known, into the public. Investing into low demand, usually not a good idea. Not complicated.

Horrible investment for domainers. For endusers that don't mind second rate extensions or major keywords, they have all kinds of options. Selling domains is hard enough, going to be even harder with these.

You said this time it's something different. Yes, in number of extensions. Also, in number of good sales, they won't be there.

Numbers don't matter when they suck, huh.

As the great modern day philosopher Shawn Carter said:
"Men lie, women lie, numbers don't"

 

[jmcc]

i dont think registration #'s are relevant anymore. i doubt they were relevant when only 20 TLD's existed..

Well there are hundreds of TLDs including ccTLDs.

it means nothing in a sea of 1,000 TLD's. if somebody wants to explain why they think registration #'s of each individual TLD mean anything at all - go right ahead. unless you're a registry i dont understand why people are paying any attention to how many of each gTLD are registered..

Some people may have invested a lot of money on the registry side of things. Others might be in ccTLD registries and may be interested in how new gTLDs are competing in their market. Hosters and prospective registrars are interested in seeing which ones they should offer to customers.

Regards...jmcc

 

[Keith]

i dont think registration #'s are relevant anymore.

When numbers are what a business bases it's existence on, it's extremely relevant. We're looking at roughly 1000 failures in the near future. A handful of newly developed websites won't stop the inevitable.

 

[hawkeye]

When numbers are what a business bases it's existence on, it's extremely relevant. We're looking at roughly 1000 failures in the near future. A handful of newly developed websites won't stop the inevitable.

Based on this deduction, you must know, and can/will share with us here, what kind of numbers each extension is 'basing their relevance' on!! Or is it the same 'number' for each one? (Even though they all have different costs, renewals, expectations, and a limited number of relevant related keywords that would apply to them.)