Negotiation does not end well.

[Dondomainer]

The usual receive an email from ( DomainAgents ) a company that says mediate for a buyer, interested in one of my domains, initial offer

DA - $200,
ME - Declined, ( do not send a counter offer )
DA - $500
ME - Declined, ( send counter - x,xxx ) and I make contact, bla bla, why this is a great domain, bla bla.
DA -Say : I can not offer more than - $800
ME - Declined, ( send counter - x,xxx ) Reduce - 500

But then, send me other offert of $850

Excuse me!, just he told me earlier that you can not offer more than $800 but then, rise to $850, so basically I reduced the price for nothing, why he offer again after saying " I can not offer more than - $800 ", so basically he lied to me or at least it is how it feels.

My final answer - Cancel negotiation.

If there is someone here from Domain Agent, do not take this wrong, just that if your agent says you can not more than one figure, should not continue offering especially if the other party has lowered the price.

 

[wayne wooldridge]

1 ) Plz , Tell me when a pokerplayer lying on the table.

2 ) The lie has always been the easy way, i studied communication and advertising, and when working on that, i am a poker player, I pretend, play my cards right, I speak from my point of view, but never tell lies, but no, misleading advertising.

The game of poker is entirely based on who is the best "bluffer". You raise to fool the other player into thinking you have a winning, or at least a decent hand. There is absolutely nothing "honest" about that, and if you are always truthful in poker, then you obviously do not understand the game.

 

[TestCase]

1 ) Plz , Tell me when a pokerplayer lying on the table.

2 ) The lie has always been the easy way, i studied communication and advertising, and when working on that, i am a poker player, I pretend, play my cards right, I speak from my point of view, but never tell lies, but no, misleading advertising.

pre·tend
prəˈtend/
verb
verb: pretend; 3rd person present: pretends; past tense: pretended; past participle: pretended; gerund or present participle: pretending

1. 1.
   speak and act so as to make it appear that something is the case when in fact it is not.

Then I would suggest that DA was pretending $800 was his/her max.

 

[Dondomainer]

The game of poker is entirely based on who is the best "bluffer". You raise to fool the other player into thinking you have a winning, or at least a decent hand. There is absolutely nothing "honest" about that, and if you are always truthful in poker, then you obviously do not understand the game.

SS

pre·tend
prəˈtend/
verb
verb: pretend; 3rd person present: pretends; past tense: pretended; past participle: pretended; gerund or present participle: pretending

1. 1.
   speak and act so as to make it appear that something is the case when in fact it is not.

Then I would suggest that DA was pretending $800 was his/her max.

Right : is based on your perspective, your interpretation.

That is the true art of communication.

Lying has certain characteristics that are sometimes not present with pretending. If you tell a lie, you verbally misrepresent the truth. You can pretend to be asleep orpretend to have not heard someone say something, without this verbal element.

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Try this.

Both pretending and lying are acts of deception which intended to mislead others. But lying is considered as an immoral act. Pretending or bluffing is a harmless act actually but lying stands as an act of disobedience which has its roots in one's childhood itself and grows to make a person a practised liar. In short, lying means falsehood. Let us now proceed to look into the differences between both of these terms. Just read further to know which of them possess consequences, which requires thinking, and what's the success rate associated with each of them.

http://recomparison.com/comparisons/100256/pretending-vs-lying/

 

[TestCase]

... Right : is based on your perspective, your interpretation.

That is the true art of communication.

So from his perspective he was pretending and from your perspective he was lying.

Successful negotiating is the art of finding that point where both parties are able to share/agree on a certain perspective at a particular moment in time.TM

 

[Dondomainer]

So from his perspective he was pretending and from your perspective he was lying.

Successful negotiating is the art of finding that point where both parties are able to share/agree on a certain perspective at a particular moment in time. TM

No he no pretending, because he said - I can not go higher than this. $$$... then later, do the exact opposite.

Consequences : I lower the price $ 500 for a lie.

The question is :

what happens, if I had not reduced the prices, because certainly he can offer more.

You see, an advantage, taken from a lie.

 

[infosec3]

You are applying a standard that, in my opinion, will hurt your ability to close deals in domaining or any other business. Lying is wrong, of course, but what happened here may not even be a lie.

Maybe his maximum budget was indeed $800 when he made that offer, but then his business partner told him: "Hey, this is a really nice name, throwing $50 more in there won't hurt, but help us a great deal". He saw the light and did exactly that. So, when he said $800 is his highest offer, he was being truthful. But, even if he wasn't being truthful, you are gaining nothing cancelling negotiations.

 

[wayne wooldridge]

OK, so we are now going to split hairs between lying and pretending... If the difference in characteristics is merely defined by verbally communicating the same thing, then maybe I could call you a liar.
You are verbally pretending to be upset over something so trivial(bluffing) when you are truly bothered that this sale did not go through.
I can back this up, since when they first stated their final price was 800 and you continued to lower your bottom line, and when they countered again, you did not get upset. You continued to negotiate, and only got upset when they didn't raise the stakes high enough for your taste....

 

[Dondomainer]

OK, so we are now going to split hairs between lying and pretending... If the difference in characteristics is merely defined by verbally communicating the same thing, then maybe I could call you a liar.
You are verbally pretending to be upset over something so trivial(bluffing) when you are truly bothered that this sale did not go through.
I can back this up, since when they first stated their final price was 800 and you continued to lower your bottom line, and when they countered again, you did not get upset. You continued to negotiate, and only got upset when they didn't raise the stakes high enough for your taste....

I'm not mad, i'm sorry if you think that, it's just that, in my professional life, in other businesses, verbally lie has consequences.

You are applying a standard that, in my opinion, will hurt your ability to close deals in domaining or any other business. Lying is wrong, of course, but what happened here may not even be a lie.

Maybe his maximum budget was indeed $800 when he made that offer, but then his business partner told him: "Hey, this is a really nice name, throwing $50 more in there won't hurt, but help us a great deal". He saw the light and did exactly that. So, when he said $800 is his highest offer, he was being truthful. But, even if he wasn't being truthful, you are gaining nothing cancelling negotiations.

Good point, but ( second paragraph ) that's a conjecture.

 

[wayne wooldridge]

I think he was just using a very common strategy by stating his highest offer. In any scenario, this is used to at least keep the deal going while driving the price down, hopefully to his final high offer. When this doesn't work, it forces them to go above budget. It doesn't mean they are lying it means they are moving to plan B to keep the ball rolling...

Nobody in their right mind would ever state the highest amount they can possibly afford right out the gate. That would be insanely stupid on their part.

 

[TestCase]

... You see, an advantage, taken from a lie.

Nope! I don't see it..

As Wayne has said above, we can split hairs all day long but when negotiating for anything, only YOU can decide whether you want to believe and trust in the person on the other end of your negotiations. I for one would NEVER take someone at "their word" unless I had specific knowledge of them, their finances, their goals, etc.

I sell when I receive what I believe is appropriate value for the domain I have proffered -- NOT when the seller tells me the maximum amount they can pay.

If you choose to take people at "their word" then that is your decision. If you are going to be disappointed in people's dishonesty or lack of ethics, you are likely going to be sorely frustrated with domaining -- and in life in general. You are what people would normally refer to as naive. I don't mean this as an affront to you, it's just to say that you haven't experienced enough in life to understand you can't always take people at their word or at face value.

 

[iAchilles]

You need thicker skin imo. I had a guy REDUCE his offer at one point. I stayed polite and didn't cut off negotiations, as tempted as I was to tell them to GTFO, I just stuck to my guns and wound up closing the deal on Friday.

Buyer's job is to get it for the lowest possible price, and vice versa. Nobody reveals their cards in poker and it's no different during negotiations.

 

[frank-germany]

The usual receive an email from ( DomainAgents ) a company that says mediate for a buyer, interested in one of my domains, initial offer

DA - $200,
ME - Declined, ( do not send a counter offer )
DA - $500
ME - Declined, ( send counter - x,xxx ) and I make contact, bla bla, why this is a great domain, bla bla.
DA -Say : I can not offer more than - $800
ME - Declined, ( send counter - x,xxx ) Reduce - 500

But then, send me other offert of $850

Excuse me!, just he told me earlier that you can not offer more than $800 but then, rise to $850, so basically I reduced the price for nothing, why he offer again after saying " I can not offer more than - $800 ", so basically he lied to me or at least it is how it feels.

My final answer - Cancel negotiation.

If there is someone here from Domain Agent, do not take this wrong, just that if your agent says you can not more than one figure, should not continue offering especially if the other party has lowered the price.

Nobody will ever tell you the truth in negotiation

And whats wrong with it?

As its no surprise
Everybody knows it

How old are you???

Negotiating is no psychotherapy
Or bible hour

 

[DT13]

Question; if the buyer accepted your -500 offer would you take the money?
He just said that he can not pay more and lie to you.
I think you will, then it is no lie but good money.

 

[DomainVP]

there must be no lies [in negotiations]

Who teaches this??? The Disney school of negotiation located on Sesame Street?!?!?!

There is very little honesty ever during the dance of a negotiation.

 

[tvanrijt]

Just another day at NamePros

 

[alcy]

Who teaches this??? The Disney school of negotiation located on Sesame Street?!?!?!

There is very little honesty ever during the dance of a negotiation.

hmmm... I always thought it was the teletubbies... are you absolutely sure?
are your sources 100% reliable?

 

[ZapNano]

Who teaches this??? The Disney school of negotiation located on Sesame Street?!?!?!

There is very little honesty ever during the dance of a negotiation.

This one just so freaking funny!!!!.WTF

 

[Dondomainer]

Many people need to know what is ethics in business.

Knowing the difference Pretending and lying in business.

Knowing the difference, be a businessman or a trickster.

But above all, do not believe the rest of the world does the same, for the simple fact of feeling good and call yourself " Successful business man " and/or in this case, domainer.

 

[tvanrijt]

Many people need to know what is ethics in business.

Knowing the difference Pretending and lying in business.

Knowing the difference, be a businessman or a trickster.

But above all, do not believe the rest of the world does the same, for the simple fact of feeling good and call yourself " Successful business man " and/or in this case, domainer.

But shouting yours morals at public forums to make you feel good is great

 

[Dondomainer]

But shouting yours morals at public forums to make you feel good is great

You say big truth. - is crazy

But I just tried to share an opinion, however now this seems more a social experiment where you can find accurate information.