Need an opinion from experts regarding my domain problem

[mayed]

dear every body,


i bought a domain from some one 1 month ago, he transfered the domain

from his network solutions account to my godaddy account. i recieved the

domain and renewd it for 6 years in advance.


he received his money cash in hand with out any problem. until now

every body is happy.


the problem is as follow:

i logged in to my godaddy account yesterday, i found all my domains

there axcept the domain i bought from the guy, it disappeared. i ran directly

to the who is service to see that the domain is still under my name. and

even the email which i use under that domain is still working, sending

and receiving emails with out any problem.


it looked like a weird problem, because if it was transferred away i would

receive an email at least so i would be alerted.


any how, i called godaddy customer service ... and they said that i have to

contact undo department regarding this particular domain.


i did what they told me to do ... i sent an email to [email protected]


explaining the problem of disappearance of one of my domains.



they replied me that the previous owner of the domain disputed the transfer

thus the domain now is not active and locked untill the investigation is

completed. ( but am not sure locked by who, network solutions or godaddy)




i sent an email back to undo department explaining to them that i bought

the domain from the previous owner and the transfer was 100% legal.








now i want an opinion from the experts who have familiarity in such

instances.



who you think would keep the domain ? me or him ?

if the transfer is legal would he be able to get the domain back ?



any opinions ? on what shall i do ?


am afraid that am gonna lose both, because he looks like a scammer.





thank you

 

[mayed]

Domain transferred successfully then ....

dear every body,


i bought a domain from some one 1 month ago, he transferred the domain

from his network solutions account to my godaddy account. i received the

domain and renewed it for 6 years in advance.


he received his money cash in hand with out any problem. until now

every body is happy.


the problem is as follow:

i logged in to my godaddy account yesterday, i found all my domains

there except the domain i bought from the guy, it disappeared. i ran directly

to the who is service to see that the domain is still under my name. and

even the email which i use under that domain is still working, sending

and receiving emails with out any problem.


it looked like a weird problem, because if it was transferred away i would

receive an email at least so i would be alerted.


any how, i called godaddy customer service ... and they said that i have to

contact undo department regarding this particular domain.


i did what they told me to do ... i sent an email to [email protected]


explaining the problem of disappearance of one of my domains.



they replied me that the previous owner of the domain disputed the transfer

thus the domain now is not active and locked until the investigation is

completed. ( but am not sure locked by who, network solutions or godaddy)




i sent an email back to undo department explaining to them that i bought

the domain from the previous owner and the transfer was 100% legal.












who you think would keep the domain ? me or him ?

if the transfer is legal would he be able to get the domain back ?



any opinions ? on what shall i do ?


am afraid that am gonna lose both, because he looks like a scammer.





thank you

 

[bmugford]

Just make sure you have a paper trail of what happened. It is possible the domain was hijacked then sold, it happened to me one time before.

I might be the original registrant disputing it and not the seller.

I would just gather all the facts, so you can present the full story.

 

[Len]

You do not mention any payment method other than he received his money "cash in hand"......Does this mean you actually handed over cash personally and that you know this person?
What was the domain? Was the deal too good to be true that you should have had alarm bells ringing?

 

[mayed]

dear bmugford


thanks for the advice







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Dear Len,


well, i don't know the person. but i saw his add in one of the domain names forums

i contacted him and he was living in my region. so he suggested that we should meet

in person and make the deal. the deal wasn't too good to be

true, or i would feel that there is something suspicious. i payed 4 figures amount.

 

[weblord]

if you can contact him personally, then ask him why the transfer was disputed and the domain in question is under investigation, does he really own the domain?

 

[Len]

dear bmugford


thanks for the advice







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Dear Len,


well, i don't know the person. but i saw his add in one of the domain names forums

i contacted him and he was living in my region. so he suggested that we should meet

in person and make the deal. the deal wasn't too good to be

true, or i would feel that there is something suspicious. i payed 4 figures amount.

Mayed, did you get a receipt for the funds you handed over? Hopefully you have some form of evidence that you actually paid for the domain or this is going to be a struggle for you.
Also, does the seller have a good reputation on the forum that you saw his ad. Is it someone we should all be aware of?

 

[mayed]

dear Len,

in fact i dont know about his reputation, but he sounds honest.

we made a small contract stated that there is a purchase between the two partys ( price and the domain ) we both signed it ... as a security precaution.




so you mean if i have an evidence ... my situation would be better

if this is what you mean ... yes i have the paper that we both signed .

 

[Archangel]

I'm gonna be honest with ya: You're screwed. You should always pay for domains in a way in which the payment cannot be disputed. The seller could easily file a dispute, claiming that the transfer wasn't authorized by him. And you, unless you were given a receipt, cannot prove that you gave him any payment. Sorry but you lost out $x,xxx.

 

[IAmAllanShore]

Not nearly enough info here to say anything, other than it sounds like the seller is either a scammer or that we are getting 1/2 the story...

The name and the seller were...?

 

[Domagon]

If the domain is determined to be "stolen", you will lose it.

You mention Network Solutions - that's a bad sign ... if the domain was regged there many years ago and only recently transferred, it's highly likely it's "stolen".

Research the ownership history of the domain - who owned it, and when.

View the domain's Whois History at DomainTools - signup for a membership there or have a current DomainTools member look up that info.

Ron

 

[weblord]

we've already replied to you
http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/543438-domain-transferred-successfully-then.html

 

[weblord]

why would he do such a thing to you?

he met you personally.

that paper you've both signed can become your proof that you paid him this much, im suspecting the domain might be stolen.

we made a small contract stated that there is a purchase between the two partys ( price and the domain ) we both signed it ... as a security precaution.




so you mean if i have an evidence ... my situation would be better

if this is what you mean ... yes i have the paper that we both signed .

 

[VisualArtistFrankBonilla]

dear Len,

in fact i dont know about his reputation, but he sounds honest.

we made a small contract stated that there is a purchase between the two partys ( price and the domain ) we both signed it ... as a security precaution.




so you mean if i have an evidence ... my situation would be better

if this is what you mean ... yes i have the paper that we both signed .

I would read that small contract very carefully. Maybe the domain on it doesn't match the one you think you bought. Know what I mean? Maybe the one on the conract is a typo, missing a letter, or has an additional. In other words, maybe he set you up, and you don't know it.
This way he could dispute it legally.
I hope this didn't happen, but you just need to make sure what ius on that contract.
Example: You think you bought : Somethinglike.com , contract say Samethinglike.com.

Frank

 

[IAmAllanShore]

Your only posts here are in regards to this issue... you contacted the member here or elsewhere?

 

[cache]

how did you know he is what he said is? Did you check his ID?

 

[mayed]

Dear Archangel,


well i understand your point here buddy, but what happened is

that he made the transfer in front of my eyes. meaning that

we both sat beside each other in Starbucks, he logged in his

account and initiated the transfer. i was in my account as well

and and i took the authorization code from him and i made the

transfer. so it seemed to me like a legal transfer initiated

by his hand, that's why i wasn't concerned.



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dear IAmAllanShore,


thank you for your response pal, in fact the seller is the owner

of the domain. at least this what it sound when i met him face to face

i called him after the dispute happened and his phone was switched

off .... to be honest with you i was assuming that the seller

is the owner because he logged in to the account ( which is in network Solutions )

in front of my eyes and initiated the transfer. not only that, but also

i had the authorization code orally while he was setting beside me.

i hope this is an answer to the other half of the story





i saw his ad in another forum .. not namepros.com

in fact he was trying to take viewers opinions on how much

his domain might worth, and i sent him a private message then we decided to

negotiate on the phone as long as both of us live in the same region




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Dear Domagon,


Your Quote : "If the domain is determined to be "stolen", you will lose it."


how it will be determined as stolen if the guy transferred the domain by his

hands and in front of my eyes, am not expert in this situations but

how the registrar will say that it is stolen.



well i did what you said, i researched the domain in domain tools.

and i found that the domain already transferred 3 times before the last transfer

it was 2 years in net sol .... and 4 years in register.com and then

transferred back to netsol for another 2 years now, the owner is the same

during all those transfers. the last transfer is to godaddy ( which is my case )



thanks your for your suggestion it was very helpful man

cheers.

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dear weblord,


the only thing that explain his dispute, maybe some one else

contacted him and offered him more $$$ after he transferred the domain

so he just decided to dispute , get the domain back and sell it for higher price




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dear Frank,




i read every letter and it was saying the domain

exactly man. there is no typo or anything


thanks


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dear cache,


well buddy .. i wasn't concerned about his ID specially he looked like

a very well dressed and decent to be honest the idea of asking him

about his ID wasn't in my mind at all. all what i was thinking of is finishing

the deal and every body walks away happy














thank you every body for interacting with me ....


yours

Mayed

 

[tinner666]

What a bummer of a situation. I hope it works out well for you.

 

[mwzd]

If he lives in the region pay him a visit with your local cops.

Let him clarify to them $x,xxx is big money most anywhere.

And the contract should suffice as proof, i hope you've sent a scanned copy to godaddy. Also, get a lawyer.

 

[mayed]

dear Samit,


thanks for your comment


in fact visiting him with the cops would be my last action.

am still waiting for godaddy to reply me ... they said that they will let me

know about the result of their investigation which will not take longer than 2 weeks ...

but they didn't ask me to send

any documents or any proofs ... maybe because the domain was already in

my account for more than a month ...


do they usually ask for documents ? for all cases ?


because they didn't ask me anything for so what ever ...


they saw in their system that the transfer was legal ... and smooth ..

the transfer occurred and authorization code was provided ...


thats why maybe they didn't ask me to send any documents ...

am not sure buddy.