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  1. oldtimer

    oldtimer Do some good for humanity and the environment VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    The best Award for any true activist is to have a Healthy and Happy Planet Earth.
     
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  2. Cal2

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    Agreed. Glad she's on the pro-climate's side.

    Your post made me think about how one could use 'Greta' as an acronym for effective climate change activism/action. Eg.:

    G
    R
    Environment/al?
    T
    Activism/Action?
     
  3. J Sokol

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    :-D

    Or:
    G - ?
    R - Restore
    E- Earth
    T - To
    A - ?
     
  4. Cal2

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    I'm liking your message and its action direction, using short and easy to understand words. Nice.
     
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  5. Cal2

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    After messaging an online friend on this...

    G.R.E.T.A.

    THE

    GREAT
    RESTORE
    EARTH
    TO
    ALL

    PROJECT

    :) ;)
     
  6. J Sokol

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    I like it, especially the "All" part -- not just for the wealthy.
     
  7. Cal2

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    I was thinking "All" can also include eg. animals, plants.
     
  8. Cal2

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    But I think your 'All' would be a good place to start.
     
  9. GILSAN

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    Earth is facing another ICE AGE: Scientists claim an increase in sea ice could block the release of carbon dioxide from the ocean and cause a global COOLING
    • Computer simulations show that an increase in sea ice could spark an ice age
    • Acts as a lid on the ocean, blocking it from releasing carbon dioxide
    • This would create a reverse greenhouse effect and cool the earth
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...LION-years.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline
     
  10. JB Lions

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    Remember what I said earlier about having to check Gilsan's posts?

    They did not say we're facing another Ice Age. They said:

    "For example, we’re currently in a break between ice ages; for the past two-and-a-half million years, glaciers have periodically covered the Earth and then retreated."

    "Building on a study Jansen published a couple of years ago, Jansen and Marzocchi fleshed out a model of how the glacial transition could have played out."

    Could have played out, speaking about the past, not that it's about to play out.

    Link to actual sources:

    https://news.uchicago.edu/story/antarctic-sea-ice-key-triggering-ice-ages-study-finds

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-019-0466-8

    This is a typical tactic of climate change deniers. They'll find some scientist that either says something like this, or they purposely misrepresent what they're saying, so they can say. See, scientists don't agree. Some think an Ice Age is coming.

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    Antarctica is colder than the Arctic, but it’s still losing ice
    https://www.climate.gov/news-features/features/antarctica-colder-arctic-it’s-still-losing-ice

    Decreasing, not increasing.

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    Even Fox News managed to get it right:

    Past Ice Ages:

    Increased Antarctic sea ice may have contributed to past ice ages

    https://www.foxnews.com/science/explosion-antarctic-sea-ice-ice-age
     
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  11. Cal2

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    Since Gilsan has your posts blocked:

    So what say you, Gilsan?
     
  12. GILSAN

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    Sorry.... don'k know what you are referring to. Explain yourself!
     
  13. oldtimer

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    Get Ready Everyone To Ascend!

    It's now or never, we have to save Humanity and our Home Planet from the Elites who are determined to keep the status quo.

    Let's issue the "Red Flag Warnings" for the whole Planet before we are past the point of no return.

    IMO
     
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  14. Cal2

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    Sorry about that. Nothing major. Thought you could see JB Lions' post with some articles on your Ice Age post, if I quoted his post into my post.
     
  15. GILSAN

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    Oh, OK. No I don't see his posts at all. He's like a nobody to me...
     
  16. oldtimer

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    Just registered the domain name AutonomousRecycling.com and was thinking what role can AI and Automation play in helping to solve our Environmental problems. Right now I believe that only less than 30% of the things that are thrown away get recycled or repurposed for other uses. Perhaps someday that can be increased to 90% or better.

    IMO
     
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    India brings in car rationing in a desperate attempt to reduce pollution in Delhi, with motor vehicles only allowed to be driven on alternate days
    • Police are monitoring whether approved cars are driving on Delhi's streets
    • Pollution in Delhi has reached a high of 436, nine times the ideal amount
    • Authorities hope to take 1.2 million vehicles off the roads for the next two weeks
    • Some people are blaming crop clearing in neighbouring states, not the cars
    New Delhi has restricted cars to alternate days on the road in a desperate bid to tackle an air pollution crisis that has left people gasping and their eyes burning in toxic smog.

    Drivers with odd-numbered licence plates will only be allowed on the roads on odd-numbered dates, and the same for even, as the Indian capital suffered its worst pollution in three years.

    Schools, which were closed last week, remained shut today, with the city government handing out free pollution masks to children. City-wide construction has been halted until Tuesday in Delhi and surrounding areas.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...tion-Delhi.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline
    [​IMG]

    Greta... forget Europe, Canada and the USA.... Instead, take a boat and go preach in India, China, Vietnam, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Indonesia etc. where the pollution is really bad
     
  18. oldtimer

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    Boy it looks horrible in those pictures, why do you want to send Greta over there, she won't be able to breathe.

    These conditions can have very bad effects on children which might last a lifetime. The United Nations should do something to help those people who are more vulnerable to smog such as young children and the elderly.

    IMO
     
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    Scientists discover extraordinary way to turn normal windows into emission-free solar panels which can store energy for nearly TWO DECADES
    • A special molecule captures the sun's energy and converts it into heat
    • That molecule is used to create a laminate that can be formed onto windows
    • Energy can be stored for 18 years and turned into heat on command
    • Scientists say their invention could be commercially ready within six years
    Scientists say a breakthrough in solar energy could turn the average window into a source of heat and store energy captured by the sun's rays for decades.

    The method was developed by scientists from Chalmers University of Technology in Sweden and employs a specially engineered chemical and new type of storage apparatus that they say could render today's lithium ion batteries defunct.

    According to them, their system starts with a special molecule containing carbon, nitrogen and hydrogen that is tailored to trap the sun's rays upon contact - a new form of chemically-driven solar power that promises to lower environmental footprint.

    That molecule can be used to make a type of laminate that they envision being applied
    to windows, cars, or even clothing.
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    The scientists new solar captures system (pictured in a diagram above) uses novel new methods of storage and chemical engineering to capture the sun's rays and heat homes

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...WO-DECADES.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

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    Kasper Moth-Poulsen (pictured above) has led a team of scientists throughout the last decade to develop the technology and says it could commercially available in six years
     
  20. GILSAN

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    Japan is doing extremely well with about 95% of all waste being recycled and the other 5% being incinerated!
     
  21. GILSAN

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    Greta has learnt to Talk the Talk... now she has to Walk the Walk, where it's most needed. I'm sure they'll offer her a mask!
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    Talk The Talk, Walk The Walk
     
  22. oldtimer

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    I believe it takes a special kind of mask to filter the smog and harmful gases, perhaps the UN can provide that to those who are the most vulnerable.

    I am afraid there might come a day that we all have to wear a mask when we want to go outside.

    Another option is to make several huge (the size of a skyscraper) air purification machines around each City. Although the best solution is for everyone to cut down on the smog.

    IMO
     
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    Did not post a while in this thread being unsure about its true direction.

    Here is another opinion, a fresh PR against fake news in the climate debate. LINK

    TEXT:

    Mercator Research Institute on Global Commons and Climate Change (MCC) gGmbH
    Polarization of society, the rise of populist parties, dissemination of false information ("fake news"); in fear of such consequences, governments often shy away from ambitious climate policy. The mitigation of global warming thus becomes a question of political culture and communication. A study carried out by the Berlin climate research institute MCC (Mercator Research Institute on Global Commons and Climate Change) sheds light on the concrete steps that must be taken to make democratic discourse more efficient and robust. The study was recently published in the renowned journal Moral Philosophy and Politics.

    "With targeted reforms, it is quite possible to make people discard their rigid opinions and become less entrenched in the climate debate," says Dominic Lenzi, researcher in the MCC working group Scientific Assessments, Ethics and Public Policy and author of the study. "We deal with innovative formats of exchange of opinions, competition in the media landscape, strategic communication of climate protection measures, financial incentives for citizens and new accents in the education sector."

    Unlike standard political discourses, the concept of “deliberation” empowers citizens to form beliefs through an exchange of arguments, based on mutual respect. Deliberative formats such as mini-publics can consider climate change, and propose ambitious climate policies. A frontrunner is Ireland, where a citizens' assembly was set up in 2016 for a period of one and a half years. It consisted of randomly selected ordinary citizens, although it was exactly representative of the general population in terms of age, gender, income and regional origin, and provided some surprising political breakthroughs with ideas that were later adopted by the regular parliament. The British government has also now commissioned deliberation platforms across the country to consider the response to climate change. The MCC researcher advocates that "such formats can significantly reduce polarization in a society".

    However, the study concludes that in addition to this, to make rapid progress in climate protection, “nudging” is needed. This means reforms that make information on global warming more accessible, or reward changes in individual behavior. "The state can overdo it and treat its citizens like small children, but there are also forms that are compatible with a culture of deliberative debate," says Lenzi. "The media is a powerful vehicle for climate change nudges. Penalties for the deliberate distribution of fake news are conceivable, as are additional funds for critical reporting in public broadcasting.”

    Lenzi thinks it is important that experts with different values have their say on both sides of the debate; “but we should be wary of the presentation of a false balance of opinion, e.g. presenting climate change sceptics as scientific experts.” Sanctions relating to climate-damaging behavior would be an option, especially when misinformation about climate change has been deliberately produced. “And finally, the education system should strengthen the understanding of scientific knowledge processes."
     
  24. JB Lions

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    One of the bigger groups pushing out false information is PragerU - https://www.youtube.com/user/PragerUniversity/search?query=climate

    Understand they're funded by fossil fuel companies. Remember when tobacco companies paid off scientists to say smoking isn't harmful.

    From Weather.com

    A Course in Climate Misinformation
    Prager University is not a university. And the facts it preaches aren’t necessarily facts. It is named after someone named Prager, though.
    https://features.weather.com/course-climate-misinformation/
     
  25. GILSAN

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    And who decides what is Fake News?
     

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