discuss Meta TM Discussion Thread

[Centauri]

Hey,


so as some people over in the Metaverse Thread claim, that meta (keyword) .com domains have no future, as
a) "everybody" seems to fear legal prosecution by Meta Platforms Inc., or
b) if Meta Inc. won't come along and buy them, domainers will have to re-reg the domains in an infinite loop,

I have thought about going a little bit more into detail here. - If you are interested.


First of all: I encourage and challenge anybody, who says Meta Platforms Inc. is hunting for meta (keyword) domains,
to put this statement to the test.


Post at least one case, in which Meta Platforms Inc. got his hands onto a meta (keyword) domain!
With the only exemption: No meta (keyword) domains, which are clearly a TM infringement, like for example:
Meta Inc. bought (had to buy) the TM rights for metabank/pay; so if someone would now come along and reg. a domain like metapay1.com,
he will be eaten for lunch



So, it is just so easy to put rumors into the world, that meta domains are in big danger and no one can or will do anything with them -
metagaming.com or metanews.com are clear proof of the opposite!
(in addition to the many more meta websites out there).
(btw at least for what I know, they were just developed after rebranding)

So, it's up to you to believe the pessimists and get frightened by no reasons (no trials/ cases, they can provide),
let others trash-talk about meta domains and decrease their legitimacy / attraction,
or do some research and see that meta keyword domains are eligible to be run, owned, developed and traded.


Thanks
Centauri

 

[MadAboutDomains]

Metagaming.com - registered 2002
Metanews.com - registered 1997

Owning one of these names and establishing legitimate rights in them is different to just buying them and offering them for sale.

it looks like Meta Platforms have just gone after obvious fraud/impersonation attempts by owners so far in UDRPs from what I can see.

I'd argue that unless it's a really good name then it's not worth having anyway, they're not flying off the shelves. But developing a site, maybe establish some IP rights in your country, that would be my recommendation if you want to guarantee to keep it if came to jousting.

What meta names have you got? Intrigued...

 

[DomainNature]

The real problem is not really TM related to Meta inc, the issue I see I described in other thread long time ago, problem is simple because of Meta inc, many websites will be associated automatically with Meta inc, when Suckerberg rebranded to meta, he knew that this move will create self made traffic, I call it "lazy move" when something is already known for long time, it's like when Godaddy bought Dan same case.
In short Meta+keyword domains may create traffic/association with meta inc, I would go more with verse, metaverse or MV domains just to skip this meta association.

 

[MadAboutDomains]

Ha ha..

If you think the following is true, you're thick and ignorant:

Meta have zero legal protection afforded to them over the mark META.

If you believe the following to be true you live in reality:

Meta have the ability to defend their registered trademark META.



Of course it's nuanced and depends on the circumstances. I said this earlier in the thread.

I might agree with you about metadata, metaphysical, metaverse if you had asked me the question or if I had explicitly said those examples are /are not registrable. But that isn't really the discussion we're having here, those are exceptions in this discussion because we're discussing Meta keyword names. See the original post.

 

[ThomasAnderson]

I don't buy that argument. Stand up and be counted, stop blaming the world. The strong get stronger because they stand up in the face of adversity, the weak get weaker because they lie down on the face of adversity. Ordinary people change the world every day for the better. Grow a pair.

I'm not saying it's a good thing or that it's normal. It was just an observation, in life things often happen like that, for many subjects.

Personally I also think it's nonsense and you have to fight for what you want.

I work for a company that has several IP assets containing the word "META".

My employer did not accept the XXX.XXX USD offers proposed by the Meta Platforms lawyers and we currently have a few lawsuits against them.

No I don't work for "META Company" or "META PC", lol. Meta Platforms is currently in negotiations/lawsuits with/against many companies.

 

[bmugford]

The "meta" term had been used for many years in fields like video games. Facebook did not even create the term metaverse, never mind being the first to use it.

With that said, Facebook is a massive company and can bully people regardless of the merits of a case.

Brad

 

[MadAboutDomains]

Exactly. When somebody thinks of a word and associate it with a brand. Now that's the real show stopper, and I know I've left myself open hee hee so go on!

I think people might associate Meta with Meta Platforms now as it's one of the biggest companies on the planet.

I don't buy that argument. Stand up and be counted, stop blaming the world. The strong get stronger because they stand up in the face of adversity, the weak get weaker because they lie down on the face of adversity. Ordinary people change the world every day for the better. Grow a pair.

If it involves intentionally putting myself in the cross hairs of a big company then it's not strong. I'll pass on that one.

 

[MadAboutDomains]

once the metaverse will become an every day term

It's never going to happen. People don't want to live in a VR world like a cyborg. Such delusion.

 

[ThomasAnderson]

Unfortunately we live in a world where the strongest get stronger and win more easily, and the weakest get weaker and weaker and win very little.

In most of the UDRP cases I have cited, the defendants did not even have a lawyer.

On the one hand we have an international group that hires one of the biggest law firms in the world, and on the other hand we have the average Joe (the defendant) who tries to defend himself by putting a few words in a row.

But in most cases the defendants don't even respond.

Fortunately, in the field of trademarks, trademarks owners do not let themselves be taken advantage of.

Searching on Google and on official trademark platforms, we can see that several companies are currently suing Meta Platforms.

 

[MadAboutDomains]

I don't want to disclose them for now,

Why not?

 

[MadAboutDomains]

Meta Inc. has infringed others right to own domains with meta, metaverse.

Eh? Explain...

For Example, if Hotel.com has the Trade Mark in Hotel, doesn't mean I have no rights to open a new Hotel this day.

Not even close to be similar example. Hotel is not trademarkable because it describes the goods and services in the industry that they are in. Meta IS trademarked.

Don't let people who don't know about what Trade Mark is, have a monopoly rights on keywords.

No offence but this seems like you are describing yourself.

 

[ThomasAnderson]

Sorry I already wrote too much.

I wrote to encourage other possible "META" companies to take action and attack MetaPlatforms.

If you have an IP portfolio containing "META" elements and you think you have a chance to win, go ahead.

If you receive a UDRP complaint from MetaPlatforms, defend yourself.

In the cases I cited, people didn't even defend themselves, none of them had lawyers, and some didn't even respond.

If people don't do anything, MetaPlatforms will do what they want.

 

[MadAboutDomains]

Metaverse was just a promise that will never be fulfilled to raise the share prices of big companies. Nothing more.

 

[ThomasAnderson]

Among other things. But I'm just an employee and don't know much about the details.

If the company wins you will probably hear about the cases.

If the company loses or if there is a deal with a non-disclosure agreement, then you will never know about it.

 

[Kass]

meta primarily means super, not some universe, meta universe (in short).
e.g. meta grass = cannabis

 

[MadAboutDomains]

yes,
for sure not 24/7 or like 80% of your working time.

But to some degree, I am sure metaverse applications will become real.

Just look at the web3 craze, all things that have to do with nfts, play2earn, blockchain etc. are all things related to the term 'metaverse'.

It is not just about Virtual / Immersive Reality.

I apologise for my prior bluntness.

However... This web3 stuff isn't popular by any stretch. VR is basically a dead duck too. Blockchain is a fad that showed promise and now it's just dull, boring, regulated, pointless.

Also people didn't care about AR.

NFTs quickly lost their shine once people realised that it's just a big scam full of people pretending to make money.

Xyz... Basically no traction.

Zuckerborg's vision for the metaverse got ripped to shreds because it was infantile. Just cause he has no connection to the real world doesn't mean that normal people won't.

 

[Andreas B.]

I apologise for my prior bluntness.

However... This web3 stuff isn't popular by any stretch. VR is basically a dead duck too. Blockchain is a fad that showed promise and now it's just dull, boring, regulated, pointless.

Also people didn't care about AR.

blockchain has his max. distribution and potential as decentralized one, that's true.

unfort. some coins are going this route -
but not all.

especially not Btc.
and some others like monero.

I am quite sure, that we are going to see a big rallye sometime soon...

(many cryptos already grew like 100%+ from their last rock bottom).

yep, I agree that VR is only a tiny niche of enthusiasts, that like to check-in into imaginery worlds...

tech. development may give a better experience in future.

to me VR was always just a part of metaverse, and not the one part that will bring this all forward.

I am keen to see what AR will bring us...

 

[MadAboutDomains]

So you thought that Meta Inc. is the company that own intelectual property of Metaverse? Meta Inc. just a beginner if you are not understand. And even not proofed yet that their Metaverse will be success. Sandbox and Decentraland are the pioners of Metaverse.. Land parcels at Decentraland have arise from 100$ a parcel into xxxxx $ a parcel, even some one have paid 450,000 $ to be a neighbour of Snoopy Dogg in Sandbox. And you are still don't know about Sandbox and Decentraland, and thought that Meta Inc. Is the pioneer in Metaverse..

How a beginner can have rights to control Metaverse, and fells that Metaverse is their intelectual property?

You act like know everything, but it says in other direction..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortun...eal-estate-snoop-dogg-celebrity-neighbor/amp/

We're talking about the word META, not metaverse. The entire thread is about meta, the word and the trademark.

I haven't even said the word metaverse.

As for the ridiculous link, that's another example, like NFTs where we're all expected to believe the "celebrities" and "influencers" have some love for something that they don't. It's just for a pay day. It's not popular, it's not anything... It's just a fantasy.

 

[Surya Giri Kurniawan]

so as some people over in the Metaverse Thread claim, that meta (keyword) .com domains have no future, as
a) "everybody" seems to fear legal prosecution by Meta Platforms Inc., or
b) if Meta Inc. won't come along and buy them, domainers will have to re-reg the domains in an infinite loop,

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@MadAboutDomains

We are talking about this, not what as you said...

My original post is my opinion, how can Meta Inc. makes everybody seems to fear legal prosecution by Meta Platform Inc. ? There is something wrong with this Meta Inc. Trademark use...

As you said, Hotel can't be trademarked. Meta suppose to be the keyword that can't be Trademarked. Meta can use their Trademark to protect their brand, but not to monopoly Meta keywords, or even to monopoly Metaverse business.

Meta is a generic therm. The same as Hotel.

 

[redemo]

Saw a guy the other day pay for his groceries by swiping his smart watch over the C.P.R. or contactless payment reader. Who's still saying smart watches aren't a thing? Same goes for smart glasses. Metaverse is a thing and will continue to become more of a thing. It was worth $478 billion in 2020 (Bloomberg) and the same source says it's worth $800 billion by 2024. @Andy Power said and I quote once the metaverse will become an every day term, yet you disagreed with him. Keen to hear your counter-argument @MadAboutDomains? Do you really think the metaverse is a failed empire with no future in mainstream society?

 

[Kass]

Saw a guy the other day pay for his groceries by swiping his smart watch over the C.P.R. or contactless payment reader. Who's still saying smart watches aren't a thing? Same goes for smart glasses. Metaverse is a thing and will continue to become more of a thing. It was worth $478 billion in 2020 (Bloomberg) and the same source says it's worth $800 billion by 2024. @Andy Power said and I quote once the metaverse will become an every day term, yet you disagreed with him. Keen to hear your counter-argument @MadAboutDomains? Do you really think the metaverse is a failed empire with no future in mainstream society?

 

[Centauri]

Metagaming.com - registered 2002
Metanews.com - registered 1997

Owning one of these names and establishing legitimate rights in them is different to just buying them and offering them for sale.

it looks like Meta Platforms have just gone after obvious fraud/impersonation attempts by owners so far in UDRPs from what I can see.

I'd argue that unless it's a really good name then it's not worth having anyway, they're not flying off the shelves. But developing a site, maybe establish some IP rights in your country, that would be my recommendation if you want to guarantee to keep it if came to jousting.

What meta names have you got? Intrigued...

Yep, I see it in a similar way.

I had a look at those (laughable) domains, meta inc. send some udrp's out for.

Things like metaslunch.international

(this is really nothing to be concerned about).

The most important question is what would they do with domains like
(just as example; not my names)
meta/shopping/com or meta/market/com,
if these domains would had been sold and purchased after rebranding
(for resell or, reg. end-user, commercial usage)?
I suppose these names were also first registered before fb name change.

This is important to know, as we will know for sure if a good meta + keyword won't be touched by meta inc.

And as it seems, it won't / wouldn't,
otherwise we a) would have already heard about it or b) meta inc. (would) have tried to buy all available and good meta names before off. rebranding.


As for my names, I don't want to disclose them for now,
but there is nothing special.
Just a few meta + some adjectives or nouns, in .com.

 

[Surya Giri Kurniawan]

Trade Mark is a way to protect Brand, but it is not the way to exclusively buy the monopoly rights of a word. Meta Inc. doesn't understand at all about the concept of Trade Mark. Having Trade Mark in Meta doesn't means other people have no rights to use Meta. It is not a Monopoly game. As long as it is not intended to ruin their Brand, others still have the same rights to register domains with Meta.

Don't make somebody who is foolish and not understand others right make people scare because they own big money. Even I have no domains with Meta, still see that Meta Inc. has infringed others right to own domains with meta, metaverse.

Meta Inc. is not the only company have rights to Metaverse. Even Sandbox, Decentraland, and Upland have a business in Metaverse earlier than Meta Inc. Meta Inc. just a beginner in Metaverse, and they already think they are the owner of Metaverse.

We must put back the use of Trade Mark to the right purpose. Don't let people who don't know about what Trade Mark is, have a monopoly rights on keywords. There are a lot people have business in Metaverse, there are a lot of people and companies already have names with Meta. Trade Mark is not a Monopoly games.

For Example, if Hotel.com has the Trade Mark in Hotel, doesn't mean I have no rights to open a new Hotel this day. It doesn't mean that I as the former Manager of some Hotels can't have new business to sell Hotel services.

In the future, there will be a lot of people will make income from selling Upland, Decentraland, and Sandbox land parcels. I also have a plan to do it. I and a lot of people have already sold Metaverse Avatars, collected wearable NFT from Upland for selling. And it is no relation with Meta Inc. which have even no product in Metaverse now. I already bought collections of wearable NFT Baseball costumes in Upland. And I have the rights to offer them through a website. I offered some Metaverse Avatars in Opensea.com. It is not Meta Inc. business, and no relation with Meta Inc.

 

[Andreas B.]

The real problem is not really TM related to Meta inc, the issue I see I described in other thread long time ago, problem is simple because of Meta inc, many websites will be associated automatically with Meta inc, when Suckerberg rebranded to meta, he knew that this move will create self made traffic, I call it "lazy move" when something is already known for long time, it's like when Godaddy bought Dan same case.
In short Meta+keyword domains may create traffic/association with meta inc, I would go more with verse, metaverse or MV domains just to skip this meta association.

just that the url with 'metaverse' + keyword is too long...

I think you can go with xxx + verse or simply mv + xxx, but honestly,
once the metaverse will become an every day term,
it'll be also ok to go with meta + xxx.

As people will seek for shortings; instead of having to say the full term each time.
e.g.
metaverse/shopping/com or
meta/shopping/com

I cannot imagine that for many years a very successful website can have like 15-20 letters in its url;
it may better go with 10-12.

just my opinion...

 

[Andreas B.]

It's never going to happen. People don't want to live in a VR world like a cyborg. Such delusion.

yes,
for sure not 24/7 or like 80% of your working time.

But to some degree, I am sure metaverse applications will become real.

Just look at the web3 craze, all things that have to do with nfts, play2earn, blockchain etc. are all things related to the term 'metaverse'.

It is not just about Virtual / Immersive Reality.