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It was only a matter of time... First King Com. Then .CN fell. And now... I present to you LLLL.net :!:

This thread is designed to elicit discussion about LLLL.nets. You're encouraged to post anything you feel is relevant to LLLL.nets in this thread. This includes sales information, new regs, ...

Feb 05, 2008: All quad premium LLLL.nets are registered
 
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I am not a doubter when it comes to .coms. I bought LLL.com domains from 1997 onwards and still have most of them. But let 100 x LLLL.coms go around 2000. :(
I am just not sure history repeats necessarily. Buying LLL.com and nice LLLL.com domains for reg fee felt good even back then. It was the renewal fees that stung most people after a few years.
Anyway the .coms worked long term and I think the current LLLL.net thing is working fine short term so I guess you have nothing to lose if you pick and choose a little.
 
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I think the thing to keep in mind is that while we tell ourselves that speculative strategies are calculated risks, we seldom have all the information necessary to do a complete analysis - especially when there are so many variables involving unknowns in the future.

Add to that the (IMO sometimes very powerful) group reinforcement that we get from these threads - and the compulsive, acquisitive instinct to grab some "oooh shiny" pieces before someone else does, especially in a buyout.

Sometimes it works out nicely. But certainly not always, and not every time - even for the eventual "winner" categories such as LLLL.com ... People have lost money with LLLL.com over the years. I guess they "weren't wrong just early" as is often heard from traders in the financial markets.

Keep in mind of course that the "contrary analysis" as well is not based on complete information - though often speaks from long and painful experience that one would dismiss at their own peril.

I have a hunch that LLLL.net are a reasonable bet at this point. But looking at CCC.net - there's another thing to compare with as we get more into the "anti-premium" dimension. That's something I'd like to understand better too - not just always looking at LLLL.com as the beacon to follow here, but also considering the aspects of .net that may keep it below "critical mass" ...

So, it really is a gamble, not at all a sure thing. And newbies expecting to be able to flip their picks in a week or a month may find themselves on the short end of the registration fees when the rent is due.

When considering a gamble, consider the odds and the possible payoff. Then also might want to look around to see if there are better bets, and think twice about whether you really can afford to buy yet another lottery ticket, poker chip, or "rare fine art collectable" trading card.

If you can afford it - and it's fun to pick a nice one out, and potentially profitable, then good enough. But if you're just doing it with the expectation of "guaranteed 100% profit next month" - sooner or later you're going to get an expensive education. Well - actually, might be still pretty cheap tuition compared to the cost of many other lessons life can teach in the school of hard knocks (which is what I said about LLLL.com when that was still a tossup for me, so go figure ...)

Incomplete information is one of the things that makes financial markets interesting to study. There is a big cult of "technical analysis" which looks only at price action, claiming that all the available information that "fundamental" analysis would provide (ie company finances, business prospects, competitive environment, and ultimately earnings) is already substantially "priced into" the cumulative bids and asks and volume of trades in the market. So they just look at this action with a mind-boggling array of obscure tea-leaf reading methods (Fibonacci ratios and so on ...)

And that's fun stuff too, I'm not putting it down. (I tend to look at it through the lens of "behavioral economics" which fits in more with the technical school of thought than the fundamentalist - also dealing with another fact of human nature that the "efficient market" theories neglect to consider - that is, people do not make entirely "rational" decisions - there is a strong instinct toward risk aversion which gets distorted in different contexts, ie high stakes or penny-ante. And on and on and on ...)

So what's my point?

Who knows!

I think best approach to LLLL.net at this "post-premium" stage in the market is to approach it with the idea in mind that you yourself may be the "collector" of these domains for quite some time. If you buy the few that speak to you saying "no way will I sell it for less than $xx because I like it too much" ... then chances are reasonable that at the very least another collector may someday see it the same way, and perhaps even offer you $xx++ for one of those rare pieces.

But it can get to be an expensive hobby even if you really "know" what you are doing in this market .... No one truly knows how it will work out next month, next year, or next decade. You pays your money and you takes your chances!
 
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Just finished a full scan and there are now 216,518 available.

Looking quite good :) Down from 216,811 just 2 days ago, not bad :) Hopefully with Zoki's development to keep track of the LLLL.net count, things will pick-up a bit more as well.


(Also this scan is definitely correct. I know I made this post, although I just realised I was thinking incorrectly there. Obviously domains expiring soon aren't available... lol!)
 
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Filter - my sincere appreciation. A very thoughtful analysis. You are such a good writer.
 
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I agree very nice post :)
 
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Thanks Alex and thetruman :) - and likewise, thanks very much to the other great writers willing to stick their necks out a bit to add a balanced, reasoned, respectful, and helpful perspective to this countdown thread. It helps keep all of us that much more sane and hopefully able to think for ourselves a bit better for a profitable (or at least fun) outcome here.
 
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nice post agreed. being an entrepeneur/businessman big or small involves, risks in any field. you can analyse/excel/forecast/predict as much as you like but you have to hope your instincts are good ultimately. and your stomach.

one general hint: grow organically - do not borrow money
one domain hint: if it is not worth next years renewal fee do not buy it (unless you are confident to be the domain equivalent of a day trader with big b**lls)

regards
 
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WGS_Thunder said:
I've noticed my LLLL.nets are getting a lot of whois inquiries. I think I saw other comments about this. Is it a script looking for unregged or what?

yes - it's a lot of people outside on NP realizing it may be a good idea to pick some of these up
 
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Some of my 4l's are getting like 5 hits a day.
 
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All available combinations of CVCX.NET (3 letters Super Premium and last letter is bad)

217 domains
 
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For the last few days this discussion has turned into one of the most rational analysis of this whole thing one can imagine. Very much appreciated here.

I remember watching the LLLL.com thing and wondering what the hell are they doing. I was a bit late here to get in on the 'cream' but I thought at 5 bucks a pop what is the downside risk verses the possible upside potential. I sat 1000 - 1200 bucks aside to 'play' with. I still have some to spend. I intend to end up with a bunch of Q's but in no great hurry. I just like a certain combination with a Q.

I go about it with eyes wide open knowing that .net is the 'poor mans' alternative. Hell, as I have said before this whole domain thing is a calculated gamble.

I am having some fun and hopefully will have some profits to roll into something else.

BTW;
EZOI.net
VIBZ.net
STJR.net
HOWN.net
XOWN.net
 
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Alex said:
Filter - my sincere appreciation. A very thoughtful analysis. You are such a good writer.

can not agree more.

both sides did very good arguments.
 
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List of available ะกะกAA.net

AAะกะก.net all gone.
 
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Some great points made before by Alex, filter and dax.

I feel that all of you have made perfectly valid points about the potential of the 4L.net market just crashing one day due to the lack of end-user demand but somehow, I don't think that shall be happening anytime soon. It has been said before that a "small-time" business would be willing to purchase the .net of the name they want at lets say $100 as opposed to paying $1000 for the corresponding .com.

On the other hand, corporates are willing to fork out the money required to pay for the .com. However, most corporates already have the name of their choice and it is highly likely that they'll want the .net of their choice too.
Nowadays, more and more small businesses and small-time entrepreneurs are setting up their practices online and this can only fuel the end-user demand for the names of their choice. They may not have the budget for a .com but they'll certainly be able to fork out 10 % of the value of the .com to get a .net

It is not feasible to believe that the 4 letter market is restricted to .coms and not to other extensions.
/ends rant
 
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Ya know when I first got into domaining I was told one thing and it was sooo true. Hand regging a domain, expect to hold them for at least 1 1/2 years. I wasnt even thinking when I got into domaining about selling to other domainers just concentrating on endusers. Before hand regging I still think "am I willing to renew once or twice before seeing any return on this" and if I believe this, I reg it.

This needs to be told to new domainers. Dont expect 100% returns overnight, and if it happens so be it but this is not the norm.

LLLL.net's (esp premiums) over the next 1.5-2 years will be a nice investment IMO.

g-

**this just dropped iJMP.net if anyone wants it. I was going to reg it but passed. Looks like I jump?
 
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buckshotdots said:
Hand regging a domain, expect to hold them for at least 1 1/2 years.
Truer words have ne're been said... This is the state of hand-reg'ing today given that the alternatives of trolling for good deals on truly valuable names and investing big on speculative buy-outs is a bit much for new domainers...

Just reg'd (now you have make fun of me :)):

bkuu.net - sounds like "beaucoup"
dnko.net - Domain Knock-Out (it's live!)
dwaa.net
elry.net - jewl.elry.net
gyrm.net - "Germ"
lult.net
lurb.net - b.lurb.net
odly.net
oork.net
quuk.net
quut.net - "Cute"
rved.net - Recreational Vehicle-ed
skuu.net
uery.net - q.uery.net
uine.net - gen.uine.net
xans.net - sounds Suessian
ydaa.net - Yadda!
zdee.net - rhyming
znoo.net
 
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Those look good dude. Big props on the hacks.
 
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very good points Basement and Gary.

The reason why I posted here is that there are many newbies who just follow a train, without thinking. Sometimes it is ok, but I do not advise people to jump in any train without thinking themselves.

I decided not to register LLLL.net's, and I am ok with that. You made your decision, it can pay off, or it can't but you knew what you were doing, as you think.

And this is the thing I wanted to see here. A debate of why and why not, so that people can actually know what they are investing in.

I am not a believer of "domains as collectibles". I strongly believe if a niche prospers it is because of end users and not because of domainers who feel late to a party and start instinctively buying domains in a niche.

That being said, I do not know if there is end user demand or not in premium LLLL.net's. This is a wait and see game, and Gary made a very good point that one needs to wait at least 1 year to make a solid judgement.

my views were based on my gut feeling. .net is used in some markets, though as not as widely as .com. I hope that in 1-2 years I will be wrong. Only time will tell, and nobody (including me) cannot know whether they will be a wise investment or not.

I followed my instinct and not registered, but hey, I am into domaining for just 1 year, so what do I know.
 
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