LLLL.net COUNTDOWN

[-REECE-]

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It was only a matter of time... First King Com. Then .CN fell. And now... I present to you LLLL.net

This thread is designed to elicit discussion about LLLL.nets. You're encouraged to post anything you feel is relevant to LLLL.nets in this thread. This includes sales information, new regs, ...

Feb 05, 2008: All quad premium LLLL.nets are registered

 

[xman]

I`m still perplexed. I see many crappy .com selling but very rarely I see any .net selling.

Due to the fact that there is no longer have supply in the .COM barrel and plenty more in the .NET barrel.

Supply and Demand:
Supply scarcity (LLLL.com) will attract more buyer and will pay more for a higher price while supply surplus (LLLL.net) will not attract as much buyer and will pay less.

In addition what's true today may not be true tomorrow.

 

[italiandragon]

Due to the fact that there is no longer have supply in the .COM barrel and plenty more in the .NET barrel.

Supply and Demand:
Supply scarcity (LLLL.com) will attract more buyer and will pay more for a higher price while supply surplus (LLLL.net) will not attract as much buyer and will pay less.

In addition what's true today may not be true tomorrow.

I think you did not understand me.

I am talking in general. Have a look at the daily sales of SEDO , Afternic , TDNAM , Ebay , Pool , Snap , NameJet.
How many .com sell ?
How many .net ?

Regardless of the lenght, I think that every 100 .com sold there is only 5 .net in average.

And, what the naysayers of LLLL.com would say about LLLL.net ?

Surely you may win the lottery = find a .net enduser but I don`t think many domainers will jump on .net whiole .com is the winning horse.

 

[xman]

I think you did not understand me.

I am talking in general. Have a look at the daily sales of SEDO , Afternic , TDNAM , Ebay , Pool , Snap , NameJet.
How many .com sell ?
How many .net ?

Regardless of the lenght, I think that every 100 .com sold there is only 5 .net in average.

And, what the naysayers of LLLL.com would say about LLLL.net ?

Surely you may win the lottery = find a .net enduser but I don`t think many domainers will jump on .net whiole .com is the winning horse.

I did understand you correctly but you probably just didn't understand my responds. Read it again.

 

[italiandragon]

I did understand you correctly but you probably just didn't understand my responds. Read it again.

I`m telling you: forget for a minute the LLLL

Compare all other domain sales except LLLL.

 

[xman]

I`m telling you: forget for a minute the LLLL
Compare all other domain sales except LLLL.

It's true if we compare the .COM sales vs. .NET sales in general you are absolutely correct but if I'm not mistaken this is LLLL.net thread and should remain as LLLL.net discussion IMO.

 

[italiandragon]

It's true if we compare the .COM sales vs. .NET sales in general you are absolutely correct but if I'm not mistaken this is LLLL.net thread and should remain as LLLL.net discussion IMO.

Don`t you think it`s a relevant warning the .net do not sell much to endusers?

I do, but If you feel I`m ruining the thread , I`ll happily seat in the corner

 

[johnnywj]

I'm just glad that most peoples are not registering
Premium LLLL.NETs more for me to choose from, thanks.

Last 6 months i have sold several LLLL.NET to endusers
from between middle $$$ to low $$$$ so there is buyers
for these NET's but most of the sales you don't hear about.

Some of these buyers i have had was asking the owner of .com for
price since they wanteded .com but the sellers wanteded a much to
high price and when they could get the .NET from me for about 7 to 8
times lower price they bought the .NET from me instead.

 

[xman]

Don`t you think it`s a relevant warning the .net do not sell much to endusers?

That's the risk I'm willing to take.

I do, but If you feel I`m ruining the thread , I`ll happily seat in the corner

Need not to do that Lorenzo. Your input is much appreciated.

To be honest I'm not really a big fan of the .NET and in fact 90% of my portfolio is .COM, 5% hack, and the rest of 5% ccTLD but I i will give this one an exception.

 

[Andrei P.]

Some of these buyers i have had was asking the owner of .com for
price since they wanteded .com but the sellers wanteded a much to
high price and when they could get the .NET from me for about 7 to 8
times lower price they bought the .NET from me instead.

That's what I was telling also. But my .nets are only 1 month old so no end user sales

 

[italiandragon]

I'm just glad that most peoples are not registering
Premium LLLL.NETs more for me to choose from, thanks.

Last 6 months i have sold several LLLL.NET to endusers
from between middle $$$ to low $$$$ so there is buyers
for these NET's but most of the sales you don't hear about.

Some of these buyers i have had was asking the owner of .com for
price since they wanteded .com but the sellers wanteded a much to
high price and when they could get the .NET from me for about 7 to 8
times lower price they bought the .NET from me instead.

uhm...good to know then, did they approach you all by whois?

Thanks

 

[johnnywj]

uhm...good to know then, did they approach you all by whois?

Thanks

Most sales come from them checking the whois and then sending me a email
and asking if the name was for sale.

But some sales i got from the link on the parked names: Enquire about this domain

 

[xman]

I'm just glad that most peoples are not registering
Premium LLLL.NETs more for me to choose from, thanks.

I am glad as well there are many for me to choose from as well.

By the way you just won uzyz.com :sold: :hehe:

 

[italiandragon]

Most sales come from them checking the whois and then sending me a email
and asking if the name was for sale.

But some sales i got from the link on the parked names: Enquire about this domain

Uhmmm.....this changes my mind a bit.

Thanks for the info Johnny, I`ll have a look at the scan tomorrow then.

 

[BLazeD]

Why does this remind me of a pyramid scheme.

The people at the top buy all the choicest domains first then comment in threads like this saying they are buying more and at the same time start selling them for double the reg fee to people who don't know any better and happened to stumble onto this thread.

If you register 4 letter .nets you'll only make money off other domainers, not end users.

 

[-REECE-]

One of the larger .mobi investors sold an L-L.mobi for $5k awhile back... Sometimes endusers don't think the way we do. And even if there were no endusers (which there most certainly are, as Johnny has elucidated), what's wrong with selling to domainers for a profit (just like most triple bad letter LLL.coms will forever do)?

This isn't a pyramid scheme... The thread author (me) doesn't even own 10 LLLL.nets yet, so please don't go there without getting the facts straight.

Why does this remind me of a pyramid scheme.

The people at the top buy all the choicest domains first then comment in threads like this saying they are buying more and at the same time start selling them for double the reg fee to people who don't know any better and happened to stumble onto this thread.

If you register 4 letter .nets you'll only make money off other domainers, not end users.

 

[BLazeD]

I said it reminds me of a pyramid scheme and then said why. I also didn't say there was anything wrong with it. Thousands of 3 letter .com's have been sold between domainers for years without seeing anything other than a parked page.

I was making a point and I think people who don't know any better need to think carefully before they go off and spend their money registering these types of domains. Lots of people here are looking for a get rich quick scheme / the next big thing and could get burnt.

 

[johnnywj]

This is a LLLL.net COUNTDOWN thread so telling peoples that I'm registering
more LLLL.NETs i can't see anything wrong with that.

These names i'm regging i'm planing to renew for the years to come. Only if
i get a good enduser price or a good reseller price I'm gone sell from these
names. And there are still about 12 000 All Premium Letters LLLL.NET to
register, so all i say is if peoples are gone get them self some good LLLL.NET's
they should get some now. I could also just have registered names in
the silence and not told anyone that I'm registering LLLL.NETs
now. Most peoples are doing it that way, they want all the best names
for them self. But i told peoples that there are still many good LLLL.NETs
to register. i have got my self many nice names the last 2 to 3 days but
i had many nice LLLL.NETs from before also.

 

[-REECE-]

There's this thing about "the next big thing"... By the time your average person realizes "OMG LLLL.coms are the Big Thing" -- it's too late. The guys who make the cash are the ones who go out on a limb and register names when it's not a sure thing -- when people might even be ridiculing how stupid of an investment you made...

I started researching LLLL.coms when there were 28,000 left. The sentiment at the time was largely that they would never be bought out -- what lunatic would pay $7 for a name with Z, X, Q, and J in it? But people did and did they ever! And now people are happy to buy that same name that would have been laughed at even 3 months ago, for 50%+ premium over regfee.

I'm sitting on a very sizeable XX,XXX profit thanks to having taken part in LLLL.coms...

I would never recommend someone put every domaining dollar in LLLL.coms (edit: or .nets, .info, etc for that matter) and with the encouragement of other members here, even put a disclaimer advising cautious investments in LLLL.nets... I certainly don't think it's going to make or break anyone to put $100-$1000 in LLLL.nets, and if it turns out like LLLL.coms, you'll be glad you did! And if it doesn't? Hopefully you had fun along the way, made some new contacts in the industry and move on from there.

 

[clowesy]

One thing I would say is as follows:

LLLL.com people were cautious. Now people are investing in LLLL.net JUST because LLLL.com are doing well.

As jonny says there are 12,000 all premium LLLL.net available. The interesting thing is with LLLL.com the all premiums have been registered for ages...
This I feel is the difference. Unless a big buyer buys a lot of these all premiums, or end users pick them up the reseller market will be flooded, thus limiting value increase.

With LLLL.com I consider myself a BIG buyer, yet I only have 25 all premiums.
LLLL.net I have more than that already...

 

[filter]

some interesting points of view all around, good stuff

IMO probably best to stay as much as possible within your "gut" comfort zone when deciding whether to demur, dabble, or dive into something that is to the best of your own knowledge a speculative investment ... there are likely to be some ups and downs along the way no matter where it ends up.

You're that much more likely to get off on the wrong stop on a downturn (or at least maybe lose a bit of sleep at night during times of doubt) if you've just been going along for the ride with an uneasy feeling of "willing suspension of disbelief" as far as your gut is concerned.

different people have different knowledge, different timelines, different risk tolerance, and, well, different guts! It's all good - but with so many decent angles to play in the LLLL .com / .net / .org / .info / .in / .cn / .etc game, best to go easy on your gut. ie, for most maybe better not to dive in to swim in LLLLnet "without a net" less than half an hour after gobbling up a bunch of XYZQ.com ...

Personally, I'll be picking just a very few LLLL.net, but my current budget for long-term investments is already maxed out at the moment, so won't over-extend myself in .net - right now would actually rather soak up a few relatively cheap LLLL.com to be on (what I consider to be) more solid ground to do a few good flips in the next few months ... (Hopefully it is actually relatively solid ground not turning into quicksand, but will see about that soon enough!)

OTOH, realizing I've actually already been holding some nice "anti-premium" LLLL.nets that I regged just on instinct when I picked up the .com with plans to keep for my own use ... didn't think twice about that - my gut had a good appetite for a tasty LXVM.net when I regged LXVM.com (my first LLLL.com reg back in September).

And if you've already seen a few healthy end user sales for LLLL.net, well, your brain and your gut are going to be in good alignment to gobble up a lot more of the ones you know can sell well.

interesting fact - your gut contains as many or more neurons (ie "brain cells") as does your brain ... Listen carefully about what it's telling you is good to eat - or not.

a lot to be said for long-term vision though - the future belongs to (the smartest/luckiest of) the bold ... and maybe to the (smartest/luckiest of the) meek as well.