LLLL.com evaluation thread

[italiandragon]

While the last LLLL.com are taken (you can check www.dyyo.com to know how many are left) , I really feel the need to have a sort of 4L price guide on the same sort of the 3L/ 3 chars price guide.

I asked to people to create a database of LLLL.com sales but it seems no one can do it so I`m going to create it myself as much as I can on just a forum thread. If I knew how to create a database I was doing it.

Keep in mind that this thread is still in the early stage and I`ll update it as much as I can. I will update this first post so it will be easier for everyone to know what`s going on in the LLLL.com aftermarket. It is going to take me a lot of my spare time but I hope that eventually soon , someone will create a software that will run by itself Till then , let`s hope I can have time!

So, just for the newbies , let`s see what we already know about the 3 chars.com price guide:

"The quality of the letter composition can play a significant role in determining 3-letter valuations. General concensus states that the letters A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T are considered premium letters. Other lesser high quality letters include: J, K, U, V, W. Lower quality letters include: Q, X, Y, Z. Domains selling for less than the above figures would represent a strong buy in today's market. Premium letter only domains tend to fetch a 500% to 600% premium (or more) over the Minimum Wholesale Price. Mixed letter quality domains have valuations somewhere in the middle of these two extremes."


I think we could adjust the same rules to the LLLL.com

Let`s play a little bit with the letters to find out what are the minimun reseller prices as for now , end of September 2007 (NOTE: THIS FIRST THREAD IS CONSTANTLY UPDATED WITH THE NEW INFO HIGHLIGHTED IN RED)

Obviously we should analyse in this thread ONLY the NON pronunciable ones to consider ONLY the quality of letters, so not even a very well known acronym but only 4 random letters.

For the "other" LLLL.com sales and evaluations based on pronunciability , then you may find useful this other thread:

http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/358387-the-llll-com-sales-report-thread.html

I`ll start with my opinion but feel free to add yours so we can get to a sort of price guide.

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A LLLL.com including 2 or more of "Q, X, Y, Z" (as long as they are not 2 of the same) I`d say less no more than $10 since there are still 12,000 of them left.

EXAMPLE: GXZH.com (no more than $10)

There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in less than 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/hzxv-com-Origin...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Obviously even with 2 "bad letters" , when they start to be pronunciable this is what happens:

ZAYM.com $201

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162205723&category0=&fvi=1

Double letters such as:

GXXH.com
ZZDC.com
FYYT.com
DRQQ.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $20-$30 depending on the letters. Double but not consecutives letters would just be below the above ones.


XSXT.com $20.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170160241510&category0=&fvi=1



Triple bad letters such as:

QQQD.com
FZZZ.com
RXXX.com
YYYG.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $70-$100 depending on the letters.


Then we may analyse the ones with only 1 bad letter (always Q, X, Y, Z):

FGZS.com
EYDF.com
PXSE.com
TFQG.com

These kind of LLLL .com are still available so reg fee to $10 , must be for them.


UPDATED:

SOME AUCTIONS ON EBAY ARE GETTING ABOVE $10:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ZWTO-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/FGXR-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

UPDATE 13 OCTOBER: ON EBAY PRICES ARE CONSTANTLY ABOVE $10 FOR LLLL WITH JUST 1 BAD LETTER , SOMETIMES ABOVE $20 TOO.

ZATB.com $12.49

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=270170293855&category0=&fvi=1

RLYN.com $36

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200159375608&category0=&fvi=1


RBYK.com $29.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163278990&category0=&fvi=1


HRHY.com $30.80

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162203800&category0=&fvi=1


YATG.com $23.95

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885146&category0=&fvi=1


a double letter with 1 bad letter :

IIZP.com $42

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300161869692&category0=&fvi=1




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Then we have the ones which include the group "lesser high quality letters": J, K, U, V, W.

These ones have lately bought totally so the minimun reseller price must be above reg fee , let`s say $10 - $20 depending from the letters. Some people tend to include J, K and U in the premium letters. I`d definitely include the vowel U but I guess this is a personal point of view.
Even here at NP , LLLL including just the letter U tend to outperform this category:

FGUB.com $32 (October 2007)

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/383276-fgub-com-1-start-great-4letter.html

It may be also useful to consider that K and W were sold out earlier than J and V.



There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UMGV-COM-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


UPDATE 25 OCTOBER:

Things are getting hotter (at the moment less than 7000 LLLL are left) and U and this category is quickly raising its reselling value on EBAY:

DPTU.com $54.51 now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162512206&category0=&fvi=1


RWEO.com $78.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/RWEO-com-LLLL-4...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


The letter U and W obviously are not that bad

The letter V in Italian is very much used , while in China is not so a lot depends from your background.

J is not my favourite in this group (as in the Italian alphabet there is no J-K-W-X-Y ) but certainly is getting attention by someone else:

RCEJ.com $30

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=120172045546&category0=&fvi=1


Then we have 2 of the group J, K, U, V, W such as:

GJJA.com
FVVO.com
KKTR.com

I`d say $30 to $50 as they are all gone and the double letter will increase their rarity.


FNKK.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162204984&category0=&fvi=1

2 of them but not the same 2 (double) are less valuable:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VWTP-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

VDUZ.com $26

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=200159969339&category0=&fvi=1


WPEJ.com $23.15

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163499690&category0=&fvi=1


With 3 of them , like :

GJJJ.com
FVVV.com
KKKT.com

I`d say $100 -$150

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Then we have the best of the best: ALL PREMIUM letters:


A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T



Names like CLFO.com or FGTR.com or ATFI.com are going to get $$$.

I can`t find any of these LLLL.com for less than $100 , sometimes not even $200 buy them.
So I`d say a really minimun of $100 to easily $200 each.
At places like Snapnames.com, the all premium letters even if they are non pronunciables , are going already for above $400 and the market is getting hotter day by day.

If the name appears to have 2 of a kind like:

SSFO.com or GBBT.com then we should be at minimun $200 to $300

3 of a kind such DDDF.com or TLLL.com will get over $300 to $500

SPECIALS​

Anything like this is an added value.

In my daily observation of LLLL.com sales I noticed that any of the following abbreviations and/or suffixes are more valuable:

- IT (Information Tecnology or Italy)

- MY

Examples:

IMYO.com $449

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=300158326938&category0=&fvi=1

BMMY.com $350

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18688&tracked=&partnerid=


HFMY.com $37.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885558&category0=&fvi=1


- UK

UKIX.com ended on TDNAM.com @ $146

- DE

- US

- CA

- OZ (Australia)

- NZ (new Zealand)

- GO

- HI

Examples:

HIXV.com $59 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=120169750537&category0=&fvi=1

- OK

- KG

- CV (Curriculum Vitae)

- DR (Doctor)

- DJ

Examples:

DJBX.com $45 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170158507650&category0=&fvi=1


And more that I`ll add as soon as I can think of them!

Also,some letters add value because of their very common use.

The letter E , I and O add value usually because can mean E-lectronic , I-nternet and O-nline.

Other nice letters are:

C for Corporation or Company , L for Limited , A for Association.

The best positions are usually in the first or in the 4th spot depending from the letter. For example E will be better in the first spot while L for Limited will be better in the 4th spot but all of these letters can add value.


Other special categories that attract a bonus are based on the numbers of vowels.
There are only 5 vowels so the LLLL.com with 4 vowels are extremely rare and even the ones with 3 vowels perform very well as their demand is high.

Some recent examples:

OEOV.com $56

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183807446&category0=&fvi=1


EOAJ.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183814160&category0=&fvi=1

CVCV & VCVC​

Let`s start from the TOP this time:

CVCV.com

all premium letters Like BIFE.com or DAGO.com

minimun......well here it is hard since prices increase quickly ....maybe $1,500 ?


CVCV.com with 1 bad letter like BIZE or DAQO.com about $800

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like NUQE.com or VAXO.com about $500

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 2 average letters like WUQA.com or ZOVU.com

about $300

It was right WUQA.com that made me realize that I forgot the 1 bad + 2 average ones. People reported that WUQA.com ended on TDNAM.com at $315 (end of October)

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters like QEZI.com or ZIXO.com about $400

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like QUZI.com or ZUXO.com about $300

CVCV.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like QUZU.com or ZUXU.com about 300



Now let`s see the VCVC.com

all premium letters Like IFEB.com or AGOC.com about $1,000 ?

VCVC.com with 1 bad letter like IZEB or AQOC.com about $500

VCVC.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like OZUD.com or AXUF.com about $300 - $350 (I sold OZUD.com on SEDO in August for $330)

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters like AXEZ.com or IQOX.com about $200

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like UXEZ.com or UXOQ.com about $100

VCVC.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like UZUQ.com or UXUZ.com about 100



I`m currently taking input on the CVCV and the VCVC where Y is the last vowel.

The first recent example is this one:

OGYZ.com $57.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200157925898&category0=&fvi=1


I leave the CVVC and VCCV to others as I did not have much experience with them yet.


SALES OF RANDOM (NON PRONUNCIABLE) LLLL.COM AT OTHER VENUES:

SEDO.com​

Interesting Sedo Auctions show many crappy LLLL.com with bids

UPDATE: CHECK THE AUCTIONS BELOW THAT ARE NOW ALL ENDED....PRICES ARE GETTING SHOCKING!

zekh.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18336&tracked=&partnerid=

zeow.com $300

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18360&tracked=&partnerid=

ucnk.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18468&tracked=&partnerid=

ahlq.com $243

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18528&tracked=&partnerid=


hobf.com 100 Eur= $140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18576&tracked=&partnerid=


jvbb.com 100 Eur=$140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18693&tracked=&partnerid=

yvze.com 70 Euros=$105

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18730&tracked=&partnerid=


Are we already starting to see a minimun price of $100 for each LLLL.com ?


Please share your opinions on the one of the hottest niches of the domain market

Thank you

 

[topdaytrader]

How much IVQY worth? Is it worth to buy at $38?

 

[Coopey]

removed

 

[bricio]

i think it was a fair price

 

[srisri24]

How much IVQY worth? Is it worth to buy at $38?

Yes i think so. since its a low grade VCCY domain. Its worth around $35

 

[dannbkk]

You cant get a good domain for less than $50 anymore (resale), I remember about 2 weeks ago you couldn't get a good name for less than $30 (resale), so the prices are difinately going up rapidly.

 

[italiandragon]

Lately I had less time to update this thread but I`m sure that most of you have noticed what`s going on.

1 month later than the buyout , we are assisting slowly at a steady increase of the worst combos too.

For example, right now on Ebay there is one starting with Q (I won`t post the link since it`s not finished) and the price is $27 with 6 hours left.
It seems, there are less and less people selling ANY LLLL.com for less than $20 already,

Is this the sign the the flip-flop flippers have finished to resell for few bucks their low quality LLLL ? Possibly it is.

I expected and I wrote about this several this here and in other threads including the LLLL.com countdown that we were going to face 3-6 months of many little sales between $10 and $20. Well , it seems that this time happened in just 1 month and half. Now we`re already above $20.


If you have read daily the LLLL.com sales report thread, you`d notice that every LLLL category has increased substantially just in a month.

3 Premium letters + J or U or W or K are ending around (if not over) the $100 mark.

4 Premium letters (the poll where we need to clarify what NamePros thinks about which ones are Premium is still going on anyway) are going for nothing less than $200 , if you are lucky to find one.

VCVC.com have increased to minimun $150 .....where there are 2 poor quality letters. OBUZ on ebay cashed in $405.

CVCV.com nothing less than $800 , I am aware of just one sold at $600 but yet to be confirmed and I don`t know the quality.

As soon as I can, I`ll update the full price-guide based on this exciting past month.

and ....I can`t wait to see January

 

[bricio]

i will ask here as well

how much do you think TYQE.com is worth?

 

[italiandragon]

i will ask here as well

how much do you think TYQE.com is worth?

uhmm certainly not yet $500

http://kioio.com/100887,auction_id,item_watch,option,auction_details

but since English has terms like TYPE , it must be some pronunciable.

I`d value it at at least $150

 

[Andrei P.]

3 Premium letters + J or U or W or K are ending around (if not over) the $100 mark.

I wouldn't agree. Average price for such domains is still around 50$-60$

4 Premium letters (the poll where we need to clarify what NamePros thinks about which ones are Premium is still going on anyway) are going for nothing less than $200 , if you are lucky to find one.

I think premium letters are well-known premium letters. Of course U,W,V are still greatly undervaluated but this doesn't make them premium letters.

CVCV.com nothing less than $800 , I am aware of just one sold at $600 but yet to be confirmed and I don`t know the quality.

Premium CVCV are very rare and thus it's not possible to find any tendency but IMO premium CVCV will have the coolest increase in price in near 2-3 years. As to non-premium CVCV especially with Y as second vowel + Q,Z - they may be sold for even less than 200$

Anyway I think some niches of LLLL.com will have a bright future

I now have an end-user LLLL.com sale in low-mid range $xxx in progress with two premium letters + one bad letter and one medium letter without vowels. Will announce when I receive money only When this transaction is complete I will put a 300$ limit for the minimum offer for all my low quality LLLL.coms

i will ask here as well

how much do you think TYQE.com is worth?

I think 150-200. TYQU would be worse

 

[bricio]

thanks for you answers Lorenzo and Andrei
rep added for both of you

nice link Lorenzo... but TYQE.com is mine since yesterday... a steal!!!
i think the previous owner saw the other prices and thought he could have a good price at snap but he didnt and as you have to transfer your name to snap before the auction begins you can do nothing if the price wasnt the one you were expecting... for instance, in sedo and ebay there is the reserve price

good luck with your sale Andrei!!!

 

[xman]

It seems like VCYC is gaining some momentum. I've seen some sales in $100+ in this category

 

[italiandragon]

I wouldn't agree. Average price for such domains is still around 50$-60$


I think premium letters are well-known premium letters. Of course U,W,V are still greatly undervaluated but this doesn't make them premium letters.

Hi Ergo, let`s see the last sales from ebay (in the last 24 hours) :


QSGN.com $46.07
DQPQ.com $46.07
FHYA.com $97.51
PKWF.com $67.00
EEGJ.com $76.01
LPJN.com $46.00
IGQX.com $40.50


So we`re having 3 Premium letter + J between $70 and $120

and 3 Premium + Q at above $40 , if this is not already good...

 

[Andrei P.]

Hi Ergo, let`s see the last sales from ebay (in the last 24 hours) :

Let's see...

Recent sales at SN:
dftj.com - 35$ (this one is mine
jpvm.com - 33$
iogv.com - 59$

+ in your example:
LPJN.com $46.00 (BTW very low price since it's actually can be used for three words acronym because JN = Journal).

 

[italiandragon]

Let's see...

Recent sales at SN:
dftj.com - 35$ (this one is mine
jpvm.com - 33$
iogv.com - 59$

+ in your example:
LPJN.com $46.00 (BTW very low price since it's actually can be used for three words acronym because JN = Journal).

Looks like it`s cheaper to buy at SNAP than at Ebay Then!

 

[Andrei P.]

Looks like it`s cheaper to buy at SNAP than at Ebay Then!

I don't think so. But you need to search for such deals

 

[-REECE-]

and 3 Premium + Q at above $40 , if this is not already good...

Am I ever happy I regged those 500+ 3 Premium + Q on October 18th...

Hard to believe it hasn't even been 1.5 months since buyout and we're already where we are...

Looking at sales on TDNAM yesterday...

YMBN.com looks mighty fine @ $30 (plus renewal)

 

[italiandragon]

Am I ever happy I regged those 500+ 3 Premium + Q on October 18th...

Hard to believe it hasn't even been 1.5 months since buyout and we're already where we are...

Looking at sales on TDNAM yesterday...

YMBN.com looks mighty fine @ $30 (plus renewal)

I honestly was not expecting such a rapid increase.
Oh well...I`m sure I`ll cope :hehe:

Seriously: the $100 mark seems to be really possible in 1 year (if not less)

 

[-REECE-]

I think so too Lorenzo. Had I had any notion prices would increase even 1/2 this fast, I'd have sold every single possession I own and bought them all out myself... Seriously.. 600% ROI in 1.5 months is crazy!

I'm making more money sitting on my fat @$# doing nothing than I ever did when I was actually domaining...

I honestly was not expecting such a rapid increase.
Oh well...I`m sure I`ll cope :hehe:

Seriously: the $100 mark seems to be really possible in 1 year (if not less)

 

[italiandragon]

I think so too Lorenzo. Had I had any notion prices would increase even 1/2 this fast, I'd have sold every single possession I own and bought them all out myself... Seriously.. 600% ROI in 1.5 months is crazy!

I'm making more money sitting on my fat @$# doing nothing than I ever did when I was actually domaining...

well, no one can go back.

We were there , we took what we thought was reasonable for each one`s own circumnstances and now we regret we did not take enought.

Think of the ones who did not believe it was going to happen and have none!

And next month I`ll advertise NamePros and the Domaining Business in the major italian investor forums , so more domainers will arrive...

There is a long way to go.

I am seriously thinking to put all my names back in a cupboard and see what I have in about 3 to 5 years.......just imagine:

LLL.com selling for $100,000 each
LLLL.com selling for $1,000 each
L-L-L.com selling for $5,000 each
and maybe by that time, someone will start the LLLLL.com countdown seriously , because the internet users will have increased from the 1.3 billion of today to the 3 Billion mark.....

I don`t regret that I did not start earlier because I think that we are still early compared to the expansion that internet (and domains) will have.

Obviously it takes work and patience to get solid results , they do ot happen overnight.

 

[bricio]

LLLL.com selling for $1,000 each
L-L-L.com selling for $5,000 each
and maybe by that time, someone will start the LLLLL.com countdown seriously , because the internet users will have increased from the 1.3 billion of today to the 3 Billion mark.....

I don`t regret that I did not start earlier because I think that we are still early compared to the expansion that internet (and domains) will have.

Obviously it takes work and patience to get solid results , they do ot happen overnight.

i just cant imagine what will happen to me if these values in fact happen... and i dont have more than 250 LLLL.com and L-L-L.com... imagine those who have thousands of them

it is very difficult not to say i dont regret for not being here before after you read and see, for instance, the LLL.com... i know internet, of course, for a long time but as a physician i accessed to read, emails, etc... domaining begun last year after reading a news about .mobi (the sale of flowers.mobi for $200,000)... then i started my search

i really intend to keep my names for some years and you should do the same... you can sell some but must keep the great majority with you

good luck for us!!!

And next month I`ll advertise NamePros and the Domaining Business in the major italian investor forums , so more domainers will arrive...

that will surely bring more investors to the industry for sure... nice move Lorenzo!!!