LLLL.com evaluation thread

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While the last LLLL.com are taken (you can check www.dyyo.com to know how many are left) , I really feel the need to have a sort of 4L price guide on the same sort of the 3L/ 3 chars price guide.

I asked to people to create a database of LLLL.com sales but it seems no one can do it so I`m going to create it myself as much as I can on just a forum thread. If I knew how to create a database I was doing it.

Keep in mind that this thread is still in the early stage and I`ll update it as much as I can. I will update this first post so it will be easier for everyone to know what`s going on in the LLLL.com aftermarket. It is going to take me a lot of my spare time but I hope that eventually soon , someone will create a software that will run by itself :) Till then , let`s hope I can have time!

So, just for the newbies , let`s see what we already know about the 3 chars.com price guide:

"The quality of the letter composition can play a significant role in determining 3-letter valuations. General concensus states that the letters A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T are considered premium letters. Other lesser high quality letters include: J, K, U, V, W. Lower quality letters include: Q, X, Y, Z. Domains selling for less than the above figures would represent a strong buy in today's market. Premium letter only domains tend to fetch a 500% to 600% premium (or more) over the Minimum Wholesale Price. Mixed letter quality domains have valuations somewhere in the middle of these two extremes."


I think we could adjust the same rules to the LLLL.com

Let`s play a little bit with the letters to find out what are the minimun reseller prices as for now , end of September 2007 (NOTE: THIS FIRST THREAD IS CONSTANTLY UPDATED WITH THE NEW INFO HIGHLIGHTED IN RED)

Obviously we should analyse in this thread ONLY the NON pronunciable ones to consider ONLY the quality of letters, so not even a very well known acronym but only 4 random letters.

For the "other" LLLL.com sales and evaluations based on pronunciability , then you may find useful this other thread:

http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/358387-the-llll-com-sales-report-thread.html

I`ll start with my opinion but feel free to add yours so we can get to a sort of price guide. :)

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A LLLL.com including 2 or more of "Q, X, Y, Z" (as long as they are not 2 of the same) I`d say less no more than $10 since there are still 12,000 of them left.

EXAMPLE: GXZH.com (no more than $10)

There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in less than 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/hzxv-com-Origin...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Obviously even with 2 "bad letters" , when they start to be pronunciable this is what happens:

ZAYM.com $201

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162205723&category0=&fvi=1


Double letters such as:

GXXH.com
ZZDC.com
FYYT.com
DRQQ.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $20-$30 depending on the letters. Double but not consecutives letters would just be below the above ones.


XSXT.com $20.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170160241510&category0=&fvi=1




Triple bad letters such as:

QQQD.com
FZZZ.com
RXXX.com
YYYG.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $70-$100 depending on the letters.


Then we may analyse the ones with only 1 bad letter (always Q, X, Y, Z):

FGZS.com
EYDF.com
PXSE.com
TFQG.com

These kind of LLLL .com are still available so reg fee to $10 , must be for them.


UPDATED:

SOME AUCTIONS ON EBAY ARE GETTING ABOVE $10:



http://cgi.ebay.com/ZWTO-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/FGXR-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

UPDATE 13 OCTOBER: ON EBAY PRICES ARE CONSTANTLY ABOVE $10 FOR LLLL WITH JUST 1 BAD LETTER , SOMETIMES ABOVE $20 TOO.

ZATB.com $12.49

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=270170293855&category0=&fvi=1

RLYN.com $36

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200159375608&category0=&fvi=1


RBYK.com $29.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163278990&category0=&fvi=1


HRHY.com $30.80

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162203800&category0=&fvi=1


YATG.com $23.95

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885146&category0=&fvi=1


a double letter with 1 bad letter :

IIZP.com $42

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300161869692&category0=&fvi=1





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Then we have the ones which include the group "lesser high quality letters": J, K, U, V, W.

These ones have lately bought totally so the minimun reseller price must be above reg fee , let`s say $10 - $20 depending from the letters. Some people tend to include J, K and U in the premium letters. I`d definitely include the vowel U but I guess this is a personal point of view.
Even here at NP , LLLL including just the letter U tend to outperform this category:

FGUB.com $32 (October 2007)

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/383276-fgub-com-1-start-great-4letter.html

It may be also useful to consider that K and W were sold out earlier than J and V.



There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UMGV-COM-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


UPDATE 25 OCTOBER:

Things are getting hotter (at the moment less than 7000 LLLL are left) and U and this category is quickly raising its reselling value on EBAY:


DPTU.com $54.51 now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162512206&category0=&fvi=1


RWEO.com $78.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/RWEO-com-LLLL-4...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


The letter U and W obviously are not that bad :)

The letter V in Italian is very much used , while in China is not so a lot depends from your background.

J is not my favourite in this group (as in the Italian alphabet there is no J-K-W-X-Y ) but certainly is getting attention by someone else:

RCEJ.com $30

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=120172045546&category0=&fvi=1



Then we have 2 of the group J, K, U, V, W such as:

GJJA.com
FVVO.com
KKTR.com

I`d say $30 to $50 as they are all gone and the double letter will increase their rarity.


FNKK.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162204984&category0=&fvi=1


2 of them but not the same 2 (double) are less valuable:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VWTP-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

VDUZ.com $26

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=200159969339&category0=&fvi=1


WPEJ.com $23.15

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163499690&category0=&fvi=1



With 3 of them , like :

GJJJ.com
FVVV.com
KKKT.com

I`d say $100 -$150

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Then we have the best of the best: ALL PREMIUM letters:


A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T



Names like CLFO.com or FGTR.com or ATFI.com are going to get $$$.

I can`t find any of these LLLL.com for less than $100 , sometimes not even $200 buy them.
So I`d say a really minimun of $100 to easily $200 each.
At places like Snapnames.com, the all premium letters even if they are non pronunciables , are going already for above $400 and the market is getting hotter day by day.

If the name appears to have 2 of a kind like:

SSFO.com or GBBT.com then we should be at minimun $200 to $300

3 of a kind such DDDF.com or TLLL.com will get over $300 to $500


SPECIALS


Anything like this is an added value.

In my daily observation of LLLL.com sales I noticed that any of the following abbreviations and/or suffixes are more valuable:

- IT (Information Tecnology or Italy)

- MY

Examples:

IMYO.com $449

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=300158326938&category0=&fvi=1

BMMY.com $350

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18688&tracked=&partnerid=


HFMY.com $37.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885558&category0=&fvi=1


- UK

UKIX.com ended on TDNAM.com @ $146

- DE

- US

- CA

- OZ (Australia)

- NZ (new Zealand)

- GO

- HI

Examples:

HIXV.com $59 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=120169750537&category0=&fvi=1

- OK

- KG

- CV (Curriculum Vitae)

- DR (Doctor)

- DJ

Examples:

DJBX.com $45 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170158507650&category0=&fvi=1


And more that I`ll add as soon as I can think of them! :)

Also,some letters add value because of their very common use.

The letter E , I and O add value usually because can mean E-lectronic , I-nternet and O-nline.

Other nice letters are:

C for Corporation or Company , L for Limited , A for Association.

The best positions are usually in the first or in the 4th spot depending from the letter. For example E will be better in the first spot while L for Limited will be better in the 4th spot but all of these letters can add value.


Other special categories that attract a bonus are based on the numbers of vowels.
There are only 5 vowels so the LLLL.com with 4 vowels are extremely rare and even the ones with 3 vowels perform very well as their demand is high.

Some recent examples:

OEOV.com $56

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183807446&category0=&fvi=1


EOAJ.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183814160&category0=&fvi=1


CVCV & VCVC

Let`s start from the TOP this time:

CVCV.com

all premium letters Like BIFE.com or DAGO.com

minimun......well here it is hard since prices increase quickly ....maybe $1,500 ?


CVCV.com with 1 bad letter like BIZE or DAQO.com about $800

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like NUQE.com or VAXO.com about $500

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 2 average letters like WUQA.com or ZOVU.com

about $300

It was right WUQA.com that made me realize that I forgot the 1 bad + 2 average ones. People reported that WUQA.com ended on TDNAM.com at $315 (end of October)


CVCV.com with 2 bad letters like QEZI.com or ZIXO.com about $400

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like QUZI.com or ZUXO.com about $300

CVCV.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like QUZU.com or ZUXU.com about 300



Now let`s see the VCVC.com

all premium letters Like IFEB.com or AGOC.com about $1,000 ?

VCVC.com with 1 bad letter like IZEB or AQOC.com about $500

VCVC.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like OZUD.com or AXUF.com about $300 - $350 (I sold OZUD.com on SEDO in August for $330)

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters like AXEZ.com or IQOX.com about $200

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like UXEZ.com or UXOQ.com about $100

VCVC.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like UZUQ.com or UXUZ.com about 100



I`m currently taking input on the CVCV and the VCVC where Y is the last vowel.

The first recent example is this one:

OGYZ.com $57.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200157925898&category0=&fvi=1


I leave the CVVC and VCCV to others as I did not have much experience with them yet.


SALES OF RANDOM (NON PRONUNCIABLE) LLLL.COM AT OTHER VENUES:


SEDO.com

Interesting Sedo Auctions show many crappy LLLL.com with bids

UPDATE: CHECK THE AUCTIONS BELOW THAT ARE NOW ALL ENDED....PRICES ARE GETTING SHOCKING! :xf.love:

zekh.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18336&tracked=&partnerid=

zeow.com $300

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18360&tracked=&partnerid=

ucnk.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18468&tracked=&partnerid=

ahlq.com $243

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18528&tracked=&partnerid=


hobf.com 100 Eur= $140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18576&tracked=&partnerid=


jvbb.com 100 Eur=$140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18693&tracked=&partnerid=

yvze.com 70 Euros=$105

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18730&tracked=&partnerid=


Are we already starting to see a minimun price of $100 for each LLLL.com ? :xf.love:


Please share your opinions on the one of the hottest niches of the domain market :)

Thank you
 
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I think we're realistically looking at $25 min wholesale come renewal time on these last LLLL.coms. Worst case scenario, $20 imho (which is still about $13 more than reg fees if you bought them with a bulk discount).

For me, 1550 regs x $13 > $20,000.. Those who invested big will reap the benefits, even if LLLL's don't go up all that much in value.
 
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I am very curious if Reece (or others who invested heavily into LLLL's) will get some end user sales till the renewal time. These are worse combos, and I wonder if they get end user attention or not. Because basically end user sales can drive up reseller prices.
 
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I think Reece has very good LLLL portfolio with 3 premium letters in most domain names, and thats what is selling in the market now. 3 premium and one low quality letters and hardly I see all premium letter domains. One thing I have noticed recently that mostly new domainers on forums have stopped putting their money in keyword domains for a while and instead running after LLLL domains.
 
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if you follow the auctions for LLLL both at TDNAM AND Snap, you will notice how the LLLL price level is considerably higher then before the sell out.
Basically all the LLLL including the one with lower quality letters are taken before dropping. The obvious conclusion is that LLLL are getting hotter and hotter and the overall level of prices will benefit.
I personally think that the large owners of LLLL have their money in a very safe vault.
Good times are ahead! :imho:
 
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My guess is that when the last (and collectively worst) 10,000 LLLL.com's that were registered over the last few months come up for renewal, there will be a wave of sale listings for these names.
Most will not find end-users or speculators, and the additional $7 or $8 for renewal will bite into any margin that many of these buyers were hoping for.
A $13-$15 profit, looks much better than a $6-$8 profit.
There are plenty of these poor names out there and plenty of impatient holders of these names.
Prices will fall for these lower-end names, which are more like commodities than higher-end, brandable names.
I know the comparison has been made to the poor LLL.com's, but to me the difference in quality and quantity is completely different.
Next year will give us an idea of how things hold up.
 
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SLL said:
My guess is that when the last (and collectively worst) 10,000 LLLL.com's that were registered over the last few months come up for renewal, there will be a wave of sale listings for these names.
Most will not find end-users or speculators, and the additional $7 or $8 for renewal will bite into any margin that many of these buyers were hoping for.
A $13-$15 profit, looks much better than a $6-$8 profit.
There are plenty of these poor names out there and plenty of impatient holders of these names.
Prices will fall for these lower-end names, which are more like commodities than higher-end, brandable names.
I know the comparison has been made to the poor LLL.com's, but to me the difference in quality and quantity is completely different.
Next year will give us an idea of how things hold up.

Very well put.
 
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SLL said:
My guess is that when the last (and collectively worst) 10,000 LLLL.com's that were registered over the last few months come up for renewal, there will be a wave of sale listings for these names.
Most will not find end-users or speculators, and the additional $7 or $8 for renewal will bite into any margin that many of these buyers were hoping for.
A $13-$15 profit, looks much better than a $6-$8 profit.
There are plenty of these poor names out there and plenty of impatient holders of these names.
Prices will fall for these lower-end names, which are more like commodities than higher-end, brandable names.
I know the comparison has been made to the poor LLL.com's, but to me the difference in quality and quantity is completely different.
Next year will give us an idea of how things hold up.

O course we are speculating on the future. But cant see why bzx should be so much better then bzxa. BZX in this case has the same brandability of BZXA. In terms of quality obviously there is a big gap but not in terms of brandability. I am receiving lately a decent amount of visitors on vfzy or qgor because people is LOOKING at LLLL as an affordable (at least now) investment. At a minimum price of 5K for BZX doesn t correspond a 20$ price for BZXA.The internet users numbers is growing and so do companies in other parts of the world (eg China and India) where what we call "non premium letters" are actually premium. May take maybe a while (2-3 years) but by my point of view the investment on LLLL is a safe bet.
My opinion as domainer doesn t count that much because i am a rookie, but having a background in business and economics can give my 2 cents on any market. Any other analysis is more then welcome because alternative ideas, opinions and even provocation can enlarge and foster knowledge.
 
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SLL said:
My guess is that when the last (and collectively worst) 10,000 LLLL.com's that were registered over the last few months come up for renewal, there will be a wave of sale listings for these names.
Most will not find end-users or speculators, and the additional $7 or $8 for renewal will bite into any margin that many of these buyers were hoping for.
A $13-$15 profit, looks much better than a $6-$8 profit.
There are plenty of these poor names out there and plenty of impatient holders of these names.
Prices will fall for these lower-end names, which are more like commodities than higher-end, brandable names.
I know the comparison has been made to the poor LLL.com's, but to me the difference in quality and quantity is completely different.
Next year will give us an idea of how things hold up.

I registered about 1000 of the last 10,000 (though, most were around the 7k-10k remaining mark) names.. Mine won't be for sale (other than at enduser pricing) :) I have no idea if other people will be as patient as me (realistically expecting to wait 4-5 years to get the $250/per price I'd like). Many of the last 10k aren't really that much worse than prior regs.. I regged about 500 triple premium + Q just around then.. Is MQGI.COM or EAQG.COM in example, necessarily a worse reg than DZBD.COM?

I personally hate the letter J much more than Q - maybe that's just me ;) but triple premium + J are easily fetching $30+ in most sales I see..

thetruman said:
O course we are speculating on the future. But cant see why bzx should be so much better then bzxa. BZX in this case has the same brandability of BZXA. In terms of quality obviously there is a big gap but not in terms of brandability. I am receiving lately a decent amount of visitors on vfzy or qgor because people is LOOKING at LLLL as an affordable (at least now) investment. At a minimum price of 5K for BZX doesn t correspond a 20$ price for BZXA.The internet users numbers is growing and so do companies in other parts of the world (eg China and India) where what we call "non premium letters" are actually premium. May take maybe a while (2-3 years) but by my point of view the investment on LLLL is a safe bet.
My opinion as domainer doesn t count that much because i am a rookie, but having a background in business and economics can give my 2 cents on any market. Any other analysis is more then welcome because alternative ideas, opinions and even provocation can enlarge and foster knowledge.

Agreed. It's that very logic that eventually motivated me to get into LLLL.coms.
 
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Im not a fan of J or Q... yet I reg'd GJQJ.com :D

I plan on holding out aswell, selling the odd one here and there to support my ebay addiction, but other than that.. I guess time will tell :tu:
 
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I think the problem in judge premium or not premium letter is in the knowledge of every language. Some bad letter can be good in a specific language and not so good in other language. Just my 2c :)
 
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Deaol said:
Im not a fan of J or Q... yet I reg'd GJQJ.com :D

I plan on holding out aswell, selling the odd one here and there to support my ebay addiction, but other than that.. I guess time will tell :tu:

I have a thing for those double J's too ;)

ojjq.com
qjju.com
qjjv.com
ujgj.com
ujhj.com
ujjq.com
ujjx.com
ujwj.com
xvjj.com
yjjq.com

:lala:
 
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Another LLLL.com milestone has been reached. We are five days from the buyout and there has been no large scale dumping of names for a delete refund.

It appears that investors are happy with their purchases and are happy to hold their acquisitions, whether it be for the short, medium or long term.

There have been very few drops (I know because I'm scanning regularly for them), and any drops have been scooped up quickly (some by me). Prices have increased already.

Very good news for all LLLL.com investors IMO.

Matt.
 
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alexsimon said:
I am very curious if Reece (or others who invested heavily into LLLL's) will get some end user sales till the renewal time. These are worse combos, and I wonder if they get end user attention or not. Because basically end user sales can drive up reseller prices.

Looking through my first few names...

http://www.eaqg.org (was regged after I took the .com)

Maybe I should approach them :imho:

or how about MQGI.com... The Movement for Quality Government in Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_for_Quality_Government_in_Israel )...

I figure I probably have about 100 well-financed endusers for my names... Shouldn't be too hard to get a decent X,XXX sale or two :)
 
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I'm doing a full LLLL.COM scan 2 times each day now and some other scans. And today i found only about 90 names that was dropped and i reg'd 4 of them. I guess there was some more drops also but they was reg'd before i was scanning them.

UXZU.COM
QVTT.COM
LIQW.COM
QVSZ.COM
 
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Reece said:
I have a thing for those double J's too ;)

ojjq.com
qjju.com
qjjv.com
ujgj.com
ujhj.com
ujjq.com
ujjx.com
ujwj.com
xvjj.com
yjjq.com

:lala:

me 2 me 2!!
i have IJJY . com

johnnywj said:
I'm doing a full LLLL.COM scan 2 times each day now and some other scans. And today i found only about 90 names that was dropped and i reg'd 4 of them. I guess there was some more drops also but they was reg'd before i was scanning them.

UXZU.COM
QVTT.COM
LIQW.COM
QVSZ.COM

n i have ovtt . com toooo..
 
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have wyyv....quality.... :yell:
 
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Reece said:
I think we're realistically looking at $25 min wholesale come renewal time on these last LLLL.coms. Worst case scenario, $20 imho (which is still about $13 more than reg fees if you bought them with a bulk discount).

For me, 1550 regs x $13 > $20,000.. Those who invested big will reap the benefits, even if LLLL's don't go up all that much in value.[/QUOTE

even at $20 for bad letters its still more than 100% profit if it is sold before renewal..

no matter how its still better than putting the money in the bank or fixed deposit n get few percent interest only..
 
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cache said:

Nice! :lala:

Mine are:

qffj.com
qffv.com
vffq.com
qggn.com
qggr.com
qggu.com
rggq.com
pqhh.com
uxhh.com
ojjq.com
qjju.com
qjjv.com
ujjq.com
ujjx.com
xvjj.com
yjjq.com
qkkv.com
qkkw.com
qllk.com
qjnn.com
qnnf.com
xnnj.com
xnnq.com
gqqx.com
uqqx.com
uqqz.com
qrrh.com
qrrm.com
qrrx.com
xrrq.com
yrrq.com
zrrq.com
ovvq.com
qvvf.com
qvvu.com
yvvq.com
zvvq.com
nwwq.com
uxxh.com
uxxj.com

:)
 
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I only have one double letter:

EEjz.com
 
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