LLLL.com evaluation thread

[italiandragon]

While the last LLLL.com are taken (you can check www.dyyo.com to know how many are left) , I really feel the need to have a sort of 4L price guide on the same sort of the 3L/ 3 chars price guide.

I asked to people to create a database of LLLL.com sales but it seems no one can do it so I`m going to create it myself as much as I can on just a forum thread. If I knew how to create a database I was doing it.

Keep in mind that this thread is still in the early stage and I`ll update it as much as I can. I will update this first post so it will be easier for everyone to know what`s going on in the LLLL.com aftermarket. It is going to take me a lot of my spare time but I hope that eventually soon , someone will create a software that will run by itself Till then , let`s hope I can have time!

So, just for the newbies , let`s see what we already know about the 3 chars.com price guide:

"The quality of the letter composition can play a significant role in determining 3-letter valuations. General concensus states that the letters A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T are considered premium letters. Other lesser high quality letters include: J, K, U, V, W. Lower quality letters include: Q, X, Y, Z. Domains selling for less than the above figures would represent a strong buy in today's market. Premium letter only domains tend to fetch a 500% to 600% premium (or more) over the Minimum Wholesale Price. Mixed letter quality domains have valuations somewhere in the middle of these two extremes."


I think we could adjust the same rules to the LLLL.com

Let`s play a little bit with the letters to find out what are the minimun reseller prices as for now , end of September 2007 (NOTE: THIS FIRST THREAD IS CONSTANTLY UPDATED WITH THE NEW INFO HIGHLIGHTED IN RED)

Obviously we should analyse in this thread ONLY the NON pronunciable ones to consider ONLY the quality of letters, so not even a very well known acronym but only 4 random letters.

For the "other" LLLL.com sales and evaluations based on pronunciability , then you may find useful this other thread:

http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/358387-the-llll-com-sales-report-thread.html

I`ll start with my opinion but feel free to add yours so we can get to a sort of price guide.

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A LLLL.com including 2 or more of "Q, X, Y, Z" (as long as they are not 2 of the same) I`d say less no more than $10 since there are still 12,000 of them left.

EXAMPLE: GXZH.com (no more than $10)

There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in less than 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/hzxv-com-Origin...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Obviously even with 2 "bad letters" , when they start to be pronunciable this is what happens:

ZAYM.com $201

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162205723&category0=&fvi=1

Double letters such as:

GXXH.com
ZZDC.com
FYYT.com
DRQQ.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $20-$30 depending on the letters. Double but not consecutives letters would just be below the above ones.


XSXT.com $20.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170160241510&category0=&fvi=1



Triple bad letters such as:

QQQD.com
FZZZ.com
RXXX.com
YYYG.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $70-$100 depending on the letters.


Then we may analyse the ones with only 1 bad letter (always Q, X, Y, Z):

FGZS.com
EYDF.com
PXSE.com
TFQG.com

These kind of LLLL .com are still available so reg fee to $10 , must be for them.


UPDATED:

SOME AUCTIONS ON EBAY ARE GETTING ABOVE $10:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ZWTO-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/FGXR-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

UPDATE 13 OCTOBER: ON EBAY PRICES ARE CONSTANTLY ABOVE $10 FOR LLLL WITH JUST 1 BAD LETTER , SOMETIMES ABOVE $20 TOO.

ZATB.com $12.49

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=270170293855&category0=&fvi=1

RLYN.com $36

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200159375608&category0=&fvi=1


RBYK.com $29.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163278990&category0=&fvi=1


HRHY.com $30.80

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162203800&category0=&fvi=1


YATG.com $23.95

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885146&category0=&fvi=1


a double letter with 1 bad letter :

IIZP.com $42

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300161869692&category0=&fvi=1




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Then we have the ones which include the group "lesser high quality letters": J, K, U, V, W.

These ones have lately bought totally so the minimun reseller price must be above reg fee , let`s say $10 - $20 depending from the letters. Some people tend to include J, K and U in the premium letters. I`d definitely include the vowel U but I guess this is a personal point of view.
Even here at NP , LLLL including just the letter U tend to outperform this category:

FGUB.com $32 (October 2007)

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/383276-fgub-com-1-start-great-4letter.html

It may be also useful to consider that K and W were sold out earlier than J and V.



There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UMGV-COM-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


UPDATE 25 OCTOBER:

Things are getting hotter (at the moment less than 7000 LLLL are left) and U and this category is quickly raising its reselling value on EBAY:

DPTU.com $54.51 now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162512206&category0=&fvi=1


RWEO.com $78.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/RWEO-com-LLLL-4...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


The letter U and W obviously are not that bad

The letter V in Italian is very much used , while in China is not so a lot depends from your background.

J is not my favourite in this group (as in the Italian alphabet there is no J-K-W-X-Y ) but certainly is getting attention by someone else:

RCEJ.com $30

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=120172045546&category0=&fvi=1


Then we have 2 of the group J, K, U, V, W such as:

GJJA.com
FVVO.com
KKTR.com

I`d say $30 to $50 as they are all gone and the double letter will increase their rarity.


FNKK.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162204984&category0=&fvi=1

2 of them but not the same 2 (double) are less valuable:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VWTP-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

VDUZ.com $26

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=200159969339&category0=&fvi=1


WPEJ.com $23.15

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163499690&category0=&fvi=1


With 3 of them , like :

GJJJ.com
FVVV.com
KKKT.com

I`d say $100 -$150

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Then we have the best of the best: ALL PREMIUM letters:


A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T



Names like CLFO.com or FGTR.com or ATFI.com are going to get $$$.

I can`t find any of these LLLL.com for less than $100 , sometimes not even $200 buy them.
So I`d say a really minimun of $100 to easily $200 each.
At places like Snapnames.com, the all premium letters even if they are non pronunciables , are going already for above $400 and the market is getting hotter day by day.

If the name appears to have 2 of a kind like:

SSFO.com or GBBT.com then we should be at minimun $200 to $300

3 of a kind such DDDF.com or TLLL.com will get over $300 to $500

SPECIALS​

Anything like this is an added value.

In my daily observation of LLLL.com sales I noticed that any of the following abbreviations and/or suffixes are more valuable:

- IT (Information Tecnology or Italy)

- MY

Examples:

IMYO.com $449

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=300158326938&category0=&fvi=1

BMMY.com $350

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18688&tracked=&partnerid=


HFMY.com $37.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885558&category0=&fvi=1


- UK

UKIX.com ended on TDNAM.com @ $146

- DE

- US

- CA

- OZ (Australia)

- NZ (new Zealand)

- GO

- HI

Examples:

HIXV.com $59 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=120169750537&category0=&fvi=1

- OK

- KG

- CV (Curriculum Vitae)

- DR (Doctor)

- DJ

Examples:

DJBX.com $45 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170158507650&category0=&fvi=1


And more that I`ll add as soon as I can think of them!

Also,some letters add value because of their very common use.

The letter E , I and O add value usually because can mean E-lectronic , I-nternet and O-nline.

Other nice letters are:

C for Corporation or Company , L for Limited , A for Association.

The best positions are usually in the first or in the 4th spot depending from the letter. For example E will be better in the first spot while L for Limited will be better in the 4th spot but all of these letters can add value.


Other special categories that attract a bonus are based on the numbers of vowels.
There are only 5 vowels so the LLLL.com with 4 vowels are extremely rare and even the ones with 3 vowels perform very well as their demand is high.

Some recent examples:

OEOV.com $56

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183807446&category0=&fvi=1


EOAJ.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183814160&category0=&fvi=1

CVCV & VCVC​

Let`s start from the TOP this time:

CVCV.com

all premium letters Like BIFE.com or DAGO.com

minimun......well here it is hard since prices increase quickly ....maybe $1,500 ?


CVCV.com with 1 bad letter like BIZE or DAQO.com about $800

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like NUQE.com or VAXO.com about $500

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 2 average letters like WUQA.com or ZOVU.com

about $300

It was right WUQA.com that made me realize that I forgot the 1 bad + 2 average ones. People reported that WUQA.com ended on TDNAM.com at $315 (end of October)

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters like QEZI.com or ZIXO.com about $400

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like QUZI.com or ZUXO.com about $300

CVCV.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like QUZU.com or ZUXU.com about 300



Now let`s see the VCVC.com

all premium letters Like IFEB.com or AGOC.com about $1,000 ?

VCVC.com with 1 bad letter like IZEB or AQOC.com about $500

VCVC.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like OZUD.com or AXUF.com about $300 - $350 (I sold OZUD.com on SEDO in August for $330)

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters like AXEZ.com or IQOX.com about $200

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like UXEZ.com or UXOQ.com about $100

VCVC.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like UZUQ.com or UXUZ.com about 100



I`m currently taking input on the CVCV and the VCVC where Y is the last vowel.

The first recent example is this one:

OGYZ.com $57.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200157925898&category0=&fvi=1


I leave the CVVC and VCCV to others as I did not have much experience with them yet.


SALES OF RANDOM (NON PRONUNCIABLE) LLLL.COM AT OTHER VENUES:

SEDO.com​

Interesting Sedo Auctions show many crappy LLLL.com with bids

UPDATE: CHECK THE AUCTIONS BELOW THAT ARE NOW ALL ENDED....PRICES ARE GETTING SHOCKING!

zekh.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18336&tracked=&partnerid=

zeow.com $300

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18360&tracked=&partnerid=

ucnk.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18468&tracked=&partnerid=

ahlq.com $243

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18528&tracked=&partnerid=


hobf.com 100 Eur= $140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18576&tracked=&partnerid=


jvbb.com 100 Eur=$140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18693&tracked=&partnerid=

yvze.com 70 Euros=$105

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18730&tracked=&partnerid=


Are we already starting to see a minimun price of $100 for each LLLL.com ?


Please share your opinions on the one of the hottest niches of the domain market

Thank you

 

[DNK.it]

Looks like it's safe to say we've hit a $10 min wholesale :imho:

yes, without question

knjr.com sold for 235$ at TDNAM, but I think because is the name of Los Angeles radio station ?

 

[tetrapak]

well, I think we should make that range "$30 - $100" already now, 4 days only after the sellout.

Early hype, same thing happened with lll.mobis etc. It will settle down in a few month of time probably. I dont think that bad letter llll.com's will be worth more than 20$ in a years time.

 

[Dangerman]

This thread reminds me of when I sold pooo.com and teee.com for about $50 each...several years ago when I was desperate for cash. I also registered quite a few 4 letter domains starting with the letters GO, because I thought maybe if a company couldn't get their 2 letter acronym, they could just put the word Go in front of it and advertise it like that, as an easy to remember short domain based on their company's 2 letter acronym. I sold several of my better ones for a few dollars each but also kept some. Yesterday somebody from Intel asked if I wanted to sell gock. I don't like selling domains anymore but since it was intel I let him know if it was worth $10,000 to them, I would sell, but they declined. Funny, even though $10,000 is decent amount, I was very nervous checking my email today, hoping they would not want it, as I find it difficult to sell any domains...so was relieved when they declined.

 

[planoali]

UYAZ.com for $37 at TDNam sold on 11-02-07.....What a steal!

I was bidding on the name then I needed to something and by the time I got back the auction is over. I'm sure I won't see that kind of sale again

I won the auction for that

 

[italiandragon]

Early hype, same thing happened with lll.mobis etc. It will settle down in a few month of time probably. I dont think that bad letter llll.com's will be worth more than 20$ in a years time.

We have to wait and see.

This thread reminds me of when I sold pooo.com and teee.com for about $50 each...several years ago when I was desperate for cash. I also registered quite a few 4 letter domains starting with the letters GO, because I thought maybe if a company couldn't get their 2 letter acronym, they could just put the word Go in front of it and advertise it like that, as an easy to remember short domain based on their company's 2 letter acronym. I sold several of my better ones for a few dollars each but also kept some. Yesterday somebody from Intel asked if I wanted to sell gock. I don't like selling domains anymore but since it was intel I let him know if it was worth $10,000 to them, I would sell, but they declined. Funny, even though $10,000 is decent amount, I was very nervous checking my email today, hoping they would not want it, as I find it difficult to sell any domains...so was relieved when they declined.

Hi, nice story....and nice names! Thanks

 

[gwkg]

Early hype, same thing happened with lll.mobis etc. It will settle down in a few month of time probably. I dont think that bad letter llll.com's will be worth more than 20$ in a years time.

150% profit isn't such a bad investment.

 

[cache]

hope this does not happen to LLLL since there are more LLLL than LLL (so if it does happen, it may drag down more).

Early hype, same thing happened with lll.mobis etc. It will settle down in a few month of time probably. I dont think that bad letter llll.com's will be worth more than 20$ in a years time.

 

[KingDon]

Ummm, anyone who compares .mobi to LLLL's, well they wouldn't make it on my investment team. The LLLL is growing stronger every day now, especially the nice VCVC & CVCV's.

Today I had a bunch of people asking about the same two LLLL's that I have in my sig; something serious is about to happen. Hey Danger, I hate selling anything, even when I get a good price; I always think I should have waited longer, and I could have gotten more.

 

[thsung]

LLLL is here to stay. Wait a few years and see what happens, demand and supply.

 

[filter]

ah ... someone just picked up IPYQ.com on eBay for $23.50 (I thought I had it at $23, until the last second ... oh well!)

 

[ssamriga]

ah ... someone just picked up IPYQ.com on eBay for $23.50 (I thought I had it at $23, until the last second ... oh well!)

I didn't get it just because I had to go to sleep :yell: :hehe:

 

[italiandragon]

ah ... someone just picked up IPYQ.com on eBay for $23.50 (I thought I had it at $23, until the last second ... oh well!)

uuuuhhh I knew I did not to have dinner.....it was on my list but I forgot it.

Good name, went really cheap.

 

[Malaysia]

seems like everyone is bidding on ebay.. even i lost some of it..

 

[tetrapak]

Ummm, anyone who compares .mobi to LLLL's, well they wouldn't make it on my investment team. The LLLL is growing stronger every day now, especially the nice VCVC & CVCV's.

Today I had a bunch of people asking about the same two LLLL's that I have in my sig; something serious is about to happen. Hey Danger, I hate selling anything, even when I get a good price; I always think I should have waited longer, and I could have gotten more.

KingDon, i never compared mobi's (not invested) with llll.com's (invested), i just compared the hype which was and is the same. The VCVC's and CVCV's are growing rapidly yes, but i would be really surprised if the bad letter llll.com's hit over 20$ resale value next year (positively though, as it affects my sales as well obviously).

 

[filter]

i would be really surprised if the bad letter llll.com's hit over 20$ resale value next year (positively though, as it affects my sales as well obviously).

hi tetrapak - I'm not expecting the bottom of the barrel to go up that much, but I think it's a safe bet that they'll be above $20 a year from now (I'm guessing 90% chance minimum will be over $20 and 50% chance minimum price for something like XVZQ will be $40 or more). But your guess is as good as mine at this point - that's what makes a market, I guess ... :sold:

 

[dannbkk]

hi tetrapak - I'm not expecting the bottom of the barrel to go up that much, but I think it's a safe bet that they'll be above $20 a year from now (I'm guessing 90% chance minimum will be over $20 and 50% chance minimum price for something like XVZQ will be $40 or more). But your guess is as good as mine at this point - that's what makes a market, I guess ...

Put it this way I was just on ebay Thailand Time, and I was bidding just for the fun of it WXOI.COM and at the last 10 minutes of the auction the highest bidder was $9.50 than i made a few bidds to be ahead at $12 and i just sat there waiting till the last 1 minute and started bidding 50c incriments every second and I was ahead at about $12-$15 and than it went all the way up to $18.50 and in the last 3 seconds i thought stuff this and I put in $22 but the hit button didnt load through in the last milisecond, so he won it at that price.
Quite fun though it was! but I guess it shows you that if the bear minimum of X W Q names are going at this price now than they will deffinately onl go up from here.

 

[italiandragon]

We`re right about 5 days from the sellout.

By the next couple of DYYO updates , we`ll be able to see if there was any taster.

 

[johnnywj]

The last 4 days i have found between 25 to about 40 available LLLL.COM names each day when i have done my scans and i have reg'd my self between 6 to 10 each day of these, most of these other have told other peoples about.

I'm doing a new full scan now and will insert in that Available thread i started
names i find available, later today.

 

[italiandragon]

The last 4 days i have found between 25 to about 40 available LLLL.COM names each day when i have done my scans and i have reg'd my self between 6 to 10 each day of these, most of these other have told other peoples about.

I'm doing a new full scan now and will insert in that Available thread i started
names i find available, later today.

ah....now I know why the few I found available were already registered once my scan completed

 

[floatingworld]

Put it this way I was just on ebay Thailand Time, and I was bidding just for the fun of it WXOI.COM and at the last 10 minutes of the auction the highest bidder was $9.50 than i made a few bidds to be ahead at $12 and i just sat there waiting till the last 1 minute and started bidding 50c incriments every second and I was ahead at about $12-$15 and than it went all the way up to $18.50 and in the last 3 seconds i thought stuff this and I put in $22 but the hit button didnt load through in the last milisecond, so he won it at that price.
Quite fun though it was! but I guess it shows you that if the bear minimum of X W Q names are going at this price now than they will deffinately onl go up from here.

I wouldn't think of WXOI as bare minimum name. Aesthetically it is 'clean' looking and has some pronounceability. I think $22 is cheap now for this name. Also save yourself some heartache and invest in a sniper. I use auctionstealer.com More expensive than some others but a good interface. Note: the free sign up gives you 3 free snipes per week.