discuss Is .IN taking off? Cycle.in sold for $16,500

[Arpit131]

I came across this sale of Cycle.in for $16,500 on Sedo.
That is a great price for a ccTLD.

I wonder if .IN is taking off slowly. I spoke to some of the biggest .IN investors at DomainX conference and they said that big things are going to happen in .IN and that it's going to be one of the most popular ccTLD in the coming time.

What are your views?

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

I just answered why foreigners are important... because the most profit is generated by them.
OK, that's all for me in this thread.

 

[UAdomainer]

I see some potential in this extension - worth to mention I've never really invested much into it. Yet. So I'm saying it as an obsever not as an investor.
I owned few LLL.in back in 2010 and sold one of them for low X,XXX$ to a relatively small Indian company based in Mumbai

 

[domainpundit]

I just answered why foreigners are important... because the most profit is generated by them.
OK, that's all for me in this thread.

Everyone is important.... Foreigners or Indian doesn't matter....as.long as there is a demand...that's good... Clearly the initial demand for after market purchases came from outside India..i have already agreed with you in previous posts but I strongly disagree that Indian companies doesn't pay or can't afford... This is where I am trying to correct you.. Also it's my opinion, very soon the demand will come from India...indian companies demand itself is more than enough...any other usage is a bonus... I am 1000% confident. IN is unstoppable and the profit making extension in coming years..

 

[mwzd]

The reality is indian population or companies doesnt spend miney on domains neithet does the general public.

And if they do, they would like to buy only .com if it isnt available than the maximum spent someone in india would look at would be a 1000$.

You can't even rent a shop for $1k in India, you really think that $1k is all that online businesses are willing to pay?

The complete indian domain market is speculated purchases by local domainers in keywords and in 3L.in it is purely lead by one chinese invester who spent 350000$ to buy up the market and jumped the prices in 6 months from 20 to 200$.

The complete Indian domain market? Really?!!

You sure you're not thinking about some of the ntlds which have had 500k+ regs on one day?

Afaik the growth for .in has been completely organic and the reg numbers have been going up steadily without any artificial 'jumps'.

The bubble will burst. So beware

Which bubble? The India growth bubble or the India startup bubble or the India usage bubble? I'd love to know more.

Chances are there will become a peak in .in and then a drop off.

The number of users is going up, the number of startups is going up, the economy is going up, the number of VCs and funds is going up, why do you think there will be a 'drop off' in .IN domain usage or prices?

I compare .in to .cn,

That is your main mistake right there. IN is an English word, a pretty popular preposition in fact, which .cn isn't, so the only demand for .cn is local or companies looking to target China. .IN demand is global, 228 countries from what people have said, hardly symptomatic of a niche usage.

I strongly agree with you. 2 Chinese investors and 20 Indian investors hold 85% of LLL.in market share. They have increased the prices from 10$ to 200$ in 6 months that's no natural demand.

Don't invest in categories or even tlds, invest in the domain in it's entirety.

So speculating LLL.in ... see what has happened with similar stories in other extensions.

Yes, see what has happened to LLL.com - do you consider that a good investment or a bad investment?

because an Indian Business owner will not pay over a 1000$ for a domain name. That's a fact.

When you say something is a 'fact' you better have data to back it up. You obviously have absolutely no idea about the Indian market so please don't mislead people.

As already said above by @Kate : "population" uses Facebook/Twitter/email etc.
Domain aftermarket - is another theme...

@Kate also said .pro would never go past 125k regs, where are we with that now? I hope you remember the exchange I had with @Kate in the .pro thread?

.IN names are registered by residents of 228 countries plus territories

And that ladies and gentlemen is the only fact you need to know. Usage is GLOBAL. Not a flash in the pan, not a niche, not even just local.

Does this mean you should use your rent money to invest in .in, no. But if you're a long term value investor looking for a sure thing, this is it.

 

[Casey L]

The number of users is going up, the number of startups is going up, the economy is going up, the number of VCs and funds is going up, why do you think there will be a 'drop off' in .IN domain usage or prices?



That is your main mistake right there. IN is an English word, a pretty popular preposition in fact, which .cn isn't, so the only demand for .cn is local or companies looking to target China. .IN demand is global, 228 countries from what people have said, hardly symptomatic of a niche usage.

There is a difference between registration and usage. Are there endusers or investors for .in in 228 countries or simply that many registrations?

Just because in is an English word doesn't mean that has any real impact on registrations. It's not like .co which can mean company, why would anyone care about a short word, which is a preposition, after their keyword? Outside of a handful of hacks, I can't imagine anyone using that as a reason to invest.

 

[jideofor]

Its misleading.

The reality is indian population or companies doesnt spend miney on domains neithet does the general public.

And if they do, they would like to buy only .com if it isnt available than the maximum spent someone in india would look at would be a 1000$.

The complete indian domain market is speculated purchases by local domainers in keywords and in 3L.in it is purely lead by one chinese invester who spent 350000$ to buy up the market and jumped the prices in 6 months from 20 to 200$.

The bubble will burst. So beware

You are actually wrong on this assertion of yours. Indian government has recently urged her citizens to embrace the .IN extension and that is a clear description of what is likely obtainable in the future, wherein the citizen, like it is in UK, would prefer their country extension as opposed to .com.

 

[willtord]

There is a difference between registration and usage. Are there endusers or investors for .in in 228 countries or simply that many registrations?

Just because in is an English word doesn't mean that has any real impact on registrations. It's not like .co which can mean company, why would anyone care about a short word, which is a preposition, after their keyword? Outside of a handful of hacks, I can't imagine anyone using that as a reason to invest.

If .CO can stand for company, .IN can stand for - “International”, “Inc”, “Internet”, “Insurance”, “Info”, “investment" among many others...

 

[Casey L]

If .CO can stand for company, .IN can stand for - “International”, “Inc”, “Internet”, “Insurance”, “Info”, “investment" among many others...

It can and is. Fortune 500 companies use co in their names I.e PepsiCo, Sysco, Costco, People's Insurance Co, Tesco, etc. I can't recall seeing those examples abbreviated with IN. Either way, companies prefer .com even with the opportunity for shorter names via ccTLDs

 

[Michael R.]

I really really love all those that don't think .in will grow again and again, since they don't compete with me to invest

 

[Kate]

@Kate also said .pro would never go past 125k regs, where are we with that now? I hope you remember the exchange I had with @Kate in the .pro thread?

I remember that, and I still wonder how many regs are not by domainers. Anyway, I am just reminding people that the vast majority of Internet users will never buy their own domain name. At least that's how it's been over the past two decades.
It's not like we have 100 million new buyers ahead just because they went online. On the other hand .in is still underutilized so there is lots of room for growth. And .in is not an artificial string like the new gTLD.

 

[domainpundit]

There is a difference between registration and usage. Are there endusers or investors for .in in 228 countries or simply that many registrations?

Just because in is an English word doesn't mean that has any real impact on registrations. It's not like .co which can mean company, why would anyone care about a short word, which is a preposition, after their keyword? Outside of a handful of hacks, I can't imagine anyone using that as a reason to invest.

Lol .co means company who told that? .co means colombia its a colombian cctld.. just .co registry branded that as .company .. if thats the case .IN can be branded as .Internet , .International , .Information , .Inc, .Incredible, .inspire, .india, .indepedendent , .investment , .insurance , .ink ...etc .Infinite branding opportunities .. also can use as a domain hack like Amazon.in/India, Amazon.in/China, Amazon.in/America like a domain hack.. berl.in another domain hack.. .IN has much branding potential and use cases than .co , more over its a cctld of the second largest most populous and as well as internet nation.. by 2022 worlds largest populous country. check the fundamentals..

 

[domainpundit]

It can and is. Fortune 500 companies use co in their names I.e PepsiCo, Sysco, Costco, People's Insurance Co, Tesco, etc. I can't recall seeing those examples abbreviated with IN. Either way, companies prefer .com even with the opportunity for shorter names via ccTLDs

how many fortune 500 companies are using Inc in the end , the first one itself Wal-Mart Stores, Inc , Apple Inc .. what about companies like Lockheed Martin, Linked In (offcourse 733 rank)..

 

[Casey L]

how many fortune 500 companies are using Inc in the end , the first one itself Wal-Mart Stores, Inc , Apple Inc .. what about companies like Lockheed Martin, Linked In (offcourse 733 rank)..

notice you're saying inc, investment, insurance, and not just "in", so you're proving my point. If you want to stand by inc so much, there is a .inc extension, maybe that's the next big hit

India has had over a billion people for decades now and .in is still behind many other ccTLDs. so now suddenly it will change? Everyone is saying .in is such a great investment NOW, why wasn't it 5 or 10 years ago when you could get premium keywords for a fraction of the price?

I'm going to start a thread "computers; are they the next big thing?" You're acting like I said I don't think .in is great, while I'm saying don't convince yourself it's suddenly great due to factors which have been in play for years.

 

[aceeca]

notice you're saying inc, investment, insurance, and not just "in", so you're proving my point. If you want to stand by inc so much, there is a .inc extension, maybe that's the next big hit

India has had over a billion people for decades now and .in is still behind many other ccTLDs. so now suddenly it will change? Everyone is saying .in is such a great investment NOW, why wasn't it 5 or 10 years ago when you could get premium keywords for a fraction of the price?

I'm going to start a thread "computers; are they the next big thing?" You're acting like I said I don't think .in is great, while I'm saying don't convince yourself it's suddenly great due to factors which have been in play for years.

Exactly, this is what I have been telling everyone that .in is the worst extension around, it will NEVER EVER be worth anything.

So guys, please give your good .in domains to me for twice the reg fee, I will gladly help you get rid of your bad investment. This is the least I can do !!!

 

[Ritesh Chauhan]

Ananda, Azad - are brands...
I'm talking about generics...

Regarding SVT - I don't see any Indian enduser there... it is parked on Voodoo and for sale...

Ananda - JOY in English
Azad - FREEDOM in English

Peoples are choosing Hindi words as brand names in India... As these are easy to spell-out for Indians
Many of the companies are using Hindi words...

Untill you entered in the .in market, can not judge the current situation...

I frequently rejecting low xxx offers on some of my two word .ins like buyersclub.in jobmania.in mtickets.in etc

 

[domainpundit]

notice you're saying inc, investment, insurance, and not just "in", so you're proving my point. If you want to stand by inc so much, there is a .inc extension, maybe that's the next big hit

India has had over a billion people for decades now and .in is still behind many other ccTLDs. so now suddenly it will change? Everyone is saying .in is such a great investment NOW, why wasn't it 5 or 10 years ago when you could get premium keywords for a fraction of the price?

I'm going to start a thread "computers; are they the next big thing?" You're acting like I said I don't think .in is great, while I'm saying don't convince yourself it's suddenly great due to factors which have been in play for years.

.Co can be called as company and its ok for you.... IN can't be called as INC as per you...double standards????

Seems to be you have not read this thread fully.. Just read from beginning many explained why. IN is best extension now....it's not about population alone...it's about infrastructure, Internet availability, economic growth, startup ecosystem improvements, government policy improvements.. Etc..many more...read from beginning one more time

 

[Casey L]

.Co can be called as company and its ok for you.... IN can't be called as INC as per you...double standards????

Seems to be you have not read this thread fully.. Just read from beginning many explained why. IN is best extension now....it's not about population alone...it's about infrastructure, Internet availability, economic growth, startup ecosystem improvements, government policy improvements.. Etc..many more...read from beginning one more time

I guess my 5 examples of co being used as company in real, billion dollar, global companies slipped past you. Can't be a double standard if my examples are actually standard.

While I read the entire thread again, you can have a look at these statistics (from the World Bank) about how great india's economy is and how it translates directly to domain names;

GDP per capita: 1,498.87 USD (2013) World Bank
Internet users: 15.1% of the population (2013) World Bank


For comparison, here's china;

GDP per capita: 6,807.43 USD (2013) World Bank
Internet users: 45.8% of the population (2013) World Bank

And the US;


GDP per capita: 53,041.98 USD (2013) World Bank
Internet users: 84.2% of the population (2013) World Bank


In addition, the median per capita income in India is $616 USD, which is 99th out of 134 qualifying countries. If the median (not average) person has to spend 1% of their yearly income just to hand reg a .in, I'm going to assume that's not where the growth of .in is coming from. It's not the US where the average person can afford to dabble in domain investing, or China where everyone shares intrinsic meanings for certain patterned domain names, thus creating a demand. Just saying "emerging market" or "growing infrastructure" won't make .in "the best extension"

 

[Crysis]

I am from India but personally I think investing in .in is a bad decision. Will be glad if I am proven wrong. Only time will tell. Anyways, let's come back to this thread in 2022. Will come to know whether .in has really taken off or slowed down

 

[Wesley S]

.in has its place in tlds no doubt, but where? I'm thinking its really spiked right now, and we should wait for the dust to settle. That will be where the only true answer is.

 

[kemjika11]

Anyways, let's come back to this thread in 2022. Will come to know whether .in has really taken off or slowed down

Ha ha...with a deal with sweet, i think we .in believers are ready for that challenge