.tv Is Anyone Actually Selling Their .Tv Names?

[GoneWalkabout]

This may seem a strange notion...

I think that, considering the many, many, thousands of names that have been sold recently since the changes to Premium names (and now the newer pricing structure), we seem to be seeing only a fraction of these names made available in the aftermarket.

Yes, I see a lot of names 'available' at SEDO, but when you try and buy them the price tends to be a bit higher than most of us are used to paying.

Looking at my own names, other than a little mini-auction, I have made a conscious decision not to 'actively' sell, rather to develop, renew, and deal with buyer enquiries - a policy that has very quickly paid its own way.

On the buying front, I actually thought the place would be awash with good names going cheap, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Yet this is so counter-intuitive to what should be happening.

If I get in touch directly the price expectations of sellers has certainly edged up quite a few notches. A final offer of a few hundred on a fair to good name always used to do the trick - but seems these days to be just the start of a 'proper' negotiation.

Is this the new world of .TV or am I in a bubble? I would appreciate the views of others as to what they are seeing?

Don't be shy. If you are seeing things differently, or the same, or even more rosy, please let us know.




Are we really at a point where some people are stopping selling their good names because they fear losing better money in the future rather than gaining a half-decent ROI today?

 

[BostonDomainer]

You are really overthinking this.

 

[ThreeD]

Selling is overrated - developing is king :P

I can say this much. We picked up roughly 30 .tv's in march/april that we're developing. Sure, it's a long process and we're not taking any shortcuts, but we're hoping to build something that will help bring the .tv extension forward.

We never considered selling any of our handpicked .tv domains, we don't consider any offers for them either. That's why you haven't seen me post our acquisitions and you don't see them for sale on sedo or afternic.

Just to be on the safe side we're going to add 9 more years to all our .tv domains just to make sure we've got them locked down

 

[Len]

Well I have made mine available and I have found that there are very few willing to purchase aftermarket domains, especially in the marketplace on the forum.

Wether the thought is that because excellent domains were picked up for reg fee during the gold/land rush and they somehow are de-valued and should be available for less...I don't know.

I also think there has been so many domains purchased in the last couple of months that there is not a great deal of cash floating around waiting to be spent. JMHO

 

[domainacrobat]

Well I have made mine available and I have found that there are very few willing to purchase aftermarket domains, especially in the marketplace on the forum.

Wether the thought is that because excellent domains were picked up for reg fee during the gold/land rush and they somehow are de-valued and should be available for less...I don't know.

I also think there has been so many domains purchased in the last couple of months that there is not a great deal of cash floating around waiting to be spent. JMHO

Its simple really, the market has peaked and no one wants .tv, its a fluke and the over valued names created a bubble. We are dead in the middle of a terrible downturn and the only options are to let your names expire.

 

[SKG]

I realize my response is old rhetoric, but good names sell if and only if the name is UNIQUE, PRICE IS FAIR WHERE THE BUYER FEELS HE CAN MAKE MONIES AND THE NAME IS PROPERLEY MARKETED. If you have anything more to add to these three requirements like revenue, traffic, low renewal, mobility, then your odds are even better. This is principle is true in all extensions, imo. People are still buying imo and people are still selling. Quality inventory unregged is very small now, imo. If you are a previous legacy buyer you understand this better than most will.

 

[Vito]

Jimbo,
As you are one of the largest tv portfolio holders here, I think you answered your own question perfectly.


Your question...

Are we really at a point where some people are stopping selling their good names because they fear losing better money in the future rather than gaining a half-decent ROI today?

Your answer...

I have made a conscious decision not to 'actively' sell, rather to develop, renew, and deal with buyer enquiries - a policy that has very quickly paid its own way.

So this statement here...

If I get in touch directly the price expectations of sellers has certainly edged up quite a few notches. A final offer of a few hundred on a fair to good name always used to do the trick - but seems these days to be just the start of a 'proper' negotiation.

makes absolute perfect sense, along with your answer, in the above quote.




With all of the new changes in the .tv landscape recently I would never guess this could even possibly happen...

On the buying front, I actually thought the place would be awash with good names going cheap, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Yet this is so counter-intuitive to what should be happening.

Why would there be a ton of lower "cheap" priced sales here in TV land when we both know .TV has not "peaked" yet, lol

Well I have made mine available and I have found that there are very few willing to purchase aftermarket domains, especially in the marketplace on the forum.

Wether the thought is that because excellent domains were picked up for reg fee during the gold/land rush and they somehow are de-valued and should be available for less...I don't know.

I also think there has been so many domains purchased in the last couple of months that there is not a great deal of cash floating around waiting to be spent. JMHO

Excellent reply Len.
I agree 100%.

Vito

 

[GoneWalkabout]

Jimbo,
As you are one of the largest tv portfolio holders here, I think you answered your own question perfectly.

I've actually got more .com's (especially TV.com's), but that's another matter, I get what you mean.

A good example of what I am trying to get across is an example that will be close to your heart. Last week I followed a name I thought that nobody had any interest in - Generator.tv.

It was on eBAy - and I"ve never yet seen a name go for good money on eBay. The timing of the auction end was in the middle of the night for me and the rest of Europe so I put in what I considered a triple 'what it would ever go for' bid and went to sleep. I was absolutely confident that I would win.

The next morning I woke up and discovered that not only had I been outbid, but the auction had travelled some distance beyond where I thought it would ever possibly end. The figures weren't massive, but for the platform on which they were sold (ebay) I had never really seen such a bid/counter bid chase for a .Tv name.

I actually can't work out the market! I see some premium names still available to register, albeit at slightly inflated prices, I see very low handreg prices (now 9.99 at Name.com for multiple years), but when I go to get a name I am continually faced with very serious demands for a minimum of four figures.

I note that Len and DomainAcrobat are seeing no sales on some names at marketplace as well. Yet at the same time I see average quality names go for $3 and $4 thousand at SEDO auctions.

It is as though we have a situation where we have a lower class and an upper class of name, each with very different situations, but NO middle class, as though everyone is holding on to their names to develop (like ThreeD) or keeping hold through thick and thin (like me).

Whatever the market, it appears to be many different things to many different people. And no doubt, best described as 'fluid'.

 

[discovernow]

Jimbo,

I have sold 6 names in the last 2 weeks. 5 through Sedo and 1 through Latona. I am satisfied. I re-invested already and just bought Pink.tv which you guys know about. I will keep re-investing in .tv as well.

I listed another 30+ names with Latona which did not sell because I set the reserves high because I am in no hurry to sell those.

Therefore, I think a good strategy is to sell some for a good ROI, re-invest in better.tv, and hold out for top $$$$ on names that you think have lot's of potential such as your US.tv, Manchester.tv, etc.

Thanks, Jim

 

[Vito]

I think that the game has changed here...

Well, You said it yourself and I totally agree with this statement...

I have made a conscious decision not to 'actively' sell, rather to develop, renew, and deal with buyer enquiries - a policy that has very quickly paid its own way.

I don't just agree with it. I am living it.

The game changer here is, well I dont want this to cause an arguement with anybody but .TV is HOT as Hell right now. Believe it or not, .TV is making some serious waves. So many points to add to that (for another thread).

This new market has afforded us the luxury to have category defining keyword domains that sell for that 3-4K price you mention in other extensions so YES, it is easier to set on some of our portfolios that we have an actual interest in...develop at our own pace, and sell a couple here and there but now it is different.

In the past coupla years, I had not gotten many inquiries on tv's I have holded for as long, and now I have multiple interests on some of those same domains. people are recognizing that tv is making a fast move on the net, and now they want a piece of the pie.

I can honestly say, that 50 - 75% of my portfolio I would not mind on eventually developing. So, to hold onto those at $20 a year is very easily affordable to me in order to hopefully one day ...maybe that a couple of those could one day be actual Businesses for me.

We will never find these domains in any other extension for the same prices...and everyone realizes that.

So, I think your definition of avarage domains going for 3-4K maybe has changed. I see it too, and I agree with you, but if you or I chose to sell a domain for a lower price well then I guess thats our fault.

You know a coupla of my low priced mistakes already...lol

I dont want to make those same mistakes again.

This market is just starting to pick up steam, and I am ok with holding on a little tighter to see where it is going. So far, so good, as these incredible .TV after market sales keep rolling in.

 

[domainacrobat]

This may seem a strange notion...

I think that, considering the many, many, thousands of names that have been sold recently since the changes to Premium names (and now the newer pricing structure), we seem to be seeing only a fraction of these names made available in the aftermarket.

Yes, I see a lot of names 'available' at SEDO, but when you try and buy them the price tends to be a bit higher than most of us are used to paying.

Looking at my own names, other than a little mini-auction, I have made a conscious decision not to 'actively' sell, rather to develop, renew, and deal with buyer enquiries - a policy that has very quickly paid its own way.

On the buying front, I actually thought the place would be awash with good names going cheap, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Yet this is so counter-intuitive to what should be happening.

If I get in touch directly the price expectations of sellers has certainly edged up quite a few notches. A final offer of a few hundred on a fair to good name always used to do the trick - but seems these days to be just the start of a 'proper' negotiation.

Is this the new world of .TV or am I in a bubble? I would appreciate the views of others as to what they are seeing?

Don't be shy. If you are seeing things differently, or the same, or even more rosy, please let us know.




Are we really at a point where some people are stopping selling their good names because they fear losing better money in the future rather than gaining a half-decent ROI today?

If developing and hlding is paying for your renewals then great. Do what works.

As for names, I actually see better names on the market now than before. Maybe you are making offers on names that others see the same thing you do, dollar signs. I mean, there were alot of $XX,XXX .tv sales from the sedo auction, of course sellers are going to raise their expectations.

There is no sustained demand for domains. The hype and interest generated at the peak of the auction was great but not able to last forever. That does not mean .tv sucks, or is on the way down, NO. You just have to be patient. I understand that it can be difficult though, especially when you own as many names as you do.

You noted I make no sales; this is innacurate, I do not report my sales anymore unless they are over $500 or of notable interest. I have sold about 10 .tvs this year. Last year I either dropped or sold the bulk of my domain portfolio which had ballooned up to 1500 in 2007, about 200 of those were .tv. I currently own almost 25 .Tvs, most of which I dont feel like letting go so cheap, so I dont post alot of names for sale anymore. I now maintain less than 100 domains total. However, I have been buying this year, I have found numerous opportunities and have flipped several domains for great ROI, like businesschannel.tv Which I bought for $35 and sold for $800 within days of purchase, this was well before interest even heated up.

 

[DnEbook]

buy hold ......develop , but open to offers

as to selling here, please, the friday funnies start later the week

 

[liquidcherry]

wait a second....did i miss something(and THE ONE was banned) but this thread would just cry for HIS involvement...and there is still no response....would someone please enlighten me....LOL (not begging for it, please!!)

on the the other hand, i just had a web design client today asking me about .TV!

So, i think it is safe to say it get's recognized more....

Cheers

Liquid

 

[DnEbook]

honest question ........who was banned ?

 

[liquidcherry]

honest question ........who was banned ?

No, you misunderstood, i was just wondering that there was no interruption in this thread, i don't know if someone was banned or not lol...that was part of my confusion hehehhehe

Cheers

Liquid

 

[MicroGuy]

I'm selling about one .TV domain per day. :talk:

Just turned down an offer for low $xxx.xx on a 4-character and have decided to run it as a one-day -$1.00 auction here instead. A robust reseller market is important for the extension. Let's just say I care! IMHO™ _\|/_

It's coming along just fine, I just hope I don't run out of domains before the robust part "kicks in". :sold:

 

[garptrader]

I have seen a marked increased in .TV interest among domainers but am yet to see a meaningful pickup in end user demand.

 

[hullswingerscom]

iv been getting low ball .
i had a email what said " look tv dont sell look at the sale on latona", and sent me a link

i think auction were tv names have a high reserve dont help dot tv.

 

[twomoon]

For last 2 weeks had zero inquiries and zero success approaching endusers. Actually wasn't very active, because was busy creating a project, that will kill youtube soon lol, but 2 weeks without any result - it's bad IMO
But we need to remember that Summer came and activity would be low now.

 

[discovernow]

Don't get discouraged. I been in .tv for 10 years so things don't happen overnight. For 9 of those 10 years things were quiet for the most part for me. Seem like I was always spending and never making money in .tv.
My .com's financed my .tv along with credit cards. My wife was pissed, and even my dog gave me dirty looks However, maybe I am too stubborn or stupid to quit something and have to see it through.

Now things are cooking, many offers, many sells, great ROI, but it took time. Hell if I can hang in there for 10 years and counting .tv you guys can.

There are great opportunities here in .tv, just make sound business decisions and let the market catch up. If this was a baseball game, we are only in the 2nd inning of a 9 inning game.

Thanks, Jim