discuss IF YOU DONT OWN DOT COM YOU DONT HAVE MUCH!

[artstar]

Well after all the hype and hoopla and support ive had over the years trying to support other tlds its now time to admit, IF YOU DONT OWN THE DOT COM YOU DONT HAVE MUCH!

Dot com dot com dot com

No other will do, no other will take its place, no other has its value, no other has a chance against it!!!

I don't care if its now or 20 years from now if you don't own the dot com you are setting yourself up for a loss period end of story!

So to all you newbies, save your $$$$ now and buy or hand reg ONLY dot coms cause if you don't you will find you messed up bigtime!

 

[Chris Rice]

But what's holding them up then ? Why is .com still outgrowing new extensions ? The new extensions are a great solution looking for a problem. That must be why people are not embracing them.

* This photo is just a sample of Rogers' bell curve. Consider it symbolic since I don't know when this one was created.

The technology adoption lifecycle model describes the adoption or acceptance of a new product or innovation, according to the demographic and psychological characteristics of defined adopter groups. The process of adoption over time is typically illustrated as a classical normal distribution or "bell curve". The model indicates that the first group of people to use a new product is called "innovators," followed by "early adopters". Next come the early majority and late majority, and the last group to eventually adopt a product are called "laggards".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_adoption_life_cycle



August of 2015 was the rock bottom. Almost every domain name in .XYZ minus L, LL and maybe LLL were available for registration. The 'early adopters' haven't come yet so the time to profit hasn't yet arrived, but it will.

Let's wait for the announce of .XYZ's MIIT approval in China and see what happens. It is set to be announced anytime now (probably within 15 to 60 days).

QUESTION:
- Where is .COM on this chart?

 

[Chris Rice]

And China still hasn't banned .com, not sure why you keep bumping that thread.

.COM is an illegal extension in China (read on TheDomains.com)

And I have been predicting that .COM will get blocked (in China) since China has been threatening to do so at different times in different ways since 2014. In 2015 it was supposed to fall into effect in September... Google re-organized as Alphabet abc.xyz one month before, why?

The laws have been written:
- .COM is illegal and the Chinese government is stepping up with enforcement (Google about Apple & Disney in China).
- .XYZ and .CLUB are slated to be the 1st foreign approved extensions in China.

.COMs were booming at the end of 2015. I understand that the overall market is doing well, but how are the speculative CHIPS and China targeted domains in .COM doing @JB Lions ?

P.S. There was some talk in 2015 that registered domains would be grandfathered. But I don't believe that is true. Especially after China created laws banning foreign companies from publishing in China altogether. You didn't see that one coming, did you?

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Still waiting for Chinese endusers... 8 years already...
0 offers from them... spam only.

 

[artstar]

if the dot coms were not so important why was china buying up the short ones for huge $$$$ last fall and early 16?

they know the value period!!

why do the asian people prize Vancouver property, mercedes , rolex, gucci, etc etc etc

quality, value, branded, rarity in some cases , world reknown name, like dot com the king of tlds

xyz club top etc etc r for wannabe dot commers who hope to capitalize on hype

im sure in time 1 or 2 of these gtld will gain momentum and be a player but in no way the class of dot com for the life of the web as we know it now

 

[Chris Rice]

if the dot coms were not so important why was china buying up the short ones for huge $$$$ last fall and early 16?

they know the value period!!

why do the asian people prize Vancouver property, mercedes , rolex, gucci, etc etc etc

quality, value, branded, rarity in some cases , world reknown name, like dot com the king of tlds

xyz club top etc etc r for wannabe dot commers who hope to capitalize on hype

im sure in time 1 or 2 of these gtld will gain momentum and be a player but in no way the class of dot com for the life of the web as we know it now

You're rambling now.

 

[ZapNano]

Still waiting for Chinese endusers... 8 years already...
0 offers from them... spam only.

Because you complain too much

 

[ZapNano]

You still don't get it! The trend has change and it will not stop!

 

[mad409]

And look at their join dates too. The most vocal supporters are usually newbies.

That's the problem. If you look at the ROI purely, it looks OK. But this is my problem with new extensions: huge risk, low reward. A $500 sale will not change your life, it will probably not even change your month (I'm assuming you live in the West). Even if you make that $500 sale you still have to pay for the other unsold domains. That's why domainers are still losing money on the whole even while making sales.

Now you must be hoping that a domain worth $500 today is going to be worth a lot more in 10 years, but that is very uncertain. Domains can actually decrease in value over time.

Domainers like to dream about their golden retirement and how they are going to sell their portfolios for a fortune in 10 years. But if they are not already making sales today, then they are making up excuses.

You're solely placing risk on newly released TLD's but if I'm looking at your site you're fully invested in .com and many types of ccTLDs. It's looks as though you're operating in the same manner as new gTLD investors by holding such a large portfolio and admittedly saying you're only making some low XXX ccTLD sales currently.

I'm not trying to debate you but the truth is most domainers are running in the red, looking for decent sales to come around, it's how things work. No guts no glory with any type of investment and or any business investment.

My advise to new investors/members buying new gTLDs is watch out for the renewals. When they first launched, like with xyz some good deals were available. Now extensions like .store and I'm sure .web will be the same, out of reach. Either the purchase price will be out of reach with a low renewal, or it will be a high purchase price with a high renewal.

If you want to buy nGTLDs it's a good time to be looking at drops, good keywords with lower renewal. There was a day I thought a $250.00 per year for a nice keyword.extension was high but that's not the case now looking at whats being released and whats coming down the road.

I'm personally not looking for a golden retirement, just working to make a profit over time. But like we've discussed before it's going to take longer than a couple years to see how this all pans out.

Many of the responses here have no merit, some do but many don't. Saying .gdn stinks is easy to say on here but if you really think about it, it's just a extension. I could easy own LLL.any ccTLD too but I prefer LLL.gdn vs the many ccTLDs available.

I agree that some domains decrease over time but many increase in value over time too. I was looking at another members portfolio that's been around NP for years and they're still holding on to .coms registered back in 1998, 1999.

The next few years will break all this down, facts will prevail rather than speculation and constant bickering back and forth.

 

[ZapNano]

You're solely placing risk on newly released TLD's but if I'm looking at your site you're fully invested in .com and many types of ccTLDs. It's looks as though you're operating in the same manner as new gTLD investors by holding such a large portfolio and admittedly saying you're only making some low XXX ccTLD sales currently.

I'm not trying to debate you but the truth is most domainers are running in the red, looking for decent sales to come around, it's how things work. No guts no glory with any type of investment and or any business investment.

My advise to new investors/members buying new gTLDs is watch out for the renewals. When they first launched, like with xyz some good deals were available. Now extensions like .store and I'm sure .web will be the same, out of reach. Either the purchase price will be out of reach with a low renewal, or it will be a high purchase price with a high renewal.

If you want to buy nGTLDs it's a good time to be looking at drops, good keywords with lower renewal. There was a day I thought a $250.00 per year for a nice keyword.extension was high but that's not the case now looking at whats being released and whats coming down the road.

I'm personally not looking for a golden retirement, just working to make a profit over time. But like we've discussed before it's going to take longer than a couple years to see how this all pans out.

Many of the responses here have no merit, some do but many don't. Saying .gdn stinks is easy to say on here but if you really think about it, it's just a extension. I could easy own LLL.any ccTLD too but I prefer LLL.gdn vs the many ccTLDs available.

I agree that some domains decrease over time but many increase in value over time too. I was looking at another members portfolio that's been around NP for years and they're still holding on to .coms registered back in 1998, 1999.

The next few years will break all this down, facts will prevail rather than speculation and constant bickering back and forth.

"Constant bickering back and fort " is good for you. Now, show me sells,not constant know.everything

 

[Chris Rice]

"Constant bickering back and fort " is good for you. Now, show me sells,not constant know.everything

@mad409 actually has sales and good ones. One of his sales was a high X,XXX in .XYZ.

Check DN.Properties on NameBio.com @ZapNano

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Because you complain too much

Just my own enduser-stats.
Regarding CN/HK-flippers: no problems here, sold tens of my domains.

 

[JB Lions]

@mad409 actually has sales and good ones. One of his sales was a high X,XXX in .XYZ.

Check DN.Properties on NameBio.com @ZapNano

Only see 1 listed, wines. Somebody overpaid on that one.

As far as Namebio and .xyz, no reported sales over $1,000 in last 2 months. Where the sales at? Why are startups preferring as you said "unattractive misspells and bad grammar" .coms, instead of getting new gtlds?

Not sure what your bell curve graph has to do with anything, except it looks like the .party graph, and probably some other extensions once they stop having penny domains to keep numbers afloat and renewals at regular price come, a big drop.

 

[mad409]

Only see 1 listed, wines. Somebody overpaid on that one.

I have others that were not reported for reasons I'm sure you understand, or should understand.

 

[mad409]

"Constant bickering back and fort " is good for you. Now, show me sells,not constant know.everything

I have never claimed to know everything, never would.

 

[JB Lions]

I have others that were not reported for reasons I'm sure you understand, or should understand.

I was responding to what Chris said:

"@mad409 actually has sales and good ones."

He just made that up unless he knows of others besides that wines one. He mentioned Namebio so I took a look and as I said, no sales over $1,000 in 2 months. And from the startup blog posts, new gtlds all together, like 1 or 2%, something low like that.

 

[JB Lions]

I was looking at another members portfolio that's been around NP for years and they're still holding on to .coms registered back in 1998, 1999.

That's probably because people buy domains in the Aftermarket and the dates retain, doesn't mean they've been holding them for 18 years. Just from my portfolio of about 400 names, 38% have had offers more than what I paid for them, it's 98% .com and as you know, the other 2%, .me.

 

[mad409]

That's probably because people buy domains in the Aftermarket and the dates retain, doesn't mean they've been holding them for 18 years. Just from my portfolio of about 400 names, 38% have had offers more than what I paid for them, it's 98% .com and as you know, the other 2%, .me.

I understand that but I can see if they were drops etc.. The ones I was speaking of were not.

I too have .com's I've purchased that retain the old reg date.

 

[JB Lions]

I understand that but I can see if they were drops etc.. The ones I was speaking of were not.

I too have .com's I've purchased that retain the old reg date.

That's not unusual. It just means they haven't sold them. They could be getting offers and can afford to wait for the right one. Maybe they never got an offer.

 

[mad409]

That's not unusual. It just means they haven't sold them. They could be getting offers and can afford to wait for the right one. Maybe they never got an offer.

I understand. Same strategy applies to many of my gTLDs, getting offers but waiting for the right one and can afford to do so..

 

[JB Lions]

I understand. Same strategy applies to many of my gTLDs, getting offers but waiting for the right one and can afford to do so..

We'll agree to disagree on that one, to me it's very simple:

First choice type domains = .com, org,. country codes
these will always be in demand since they're extensions people actually want, know and use

Second choice = everything else. Somebody comes to you with an offer, you reject, nowadays (for those who are ok with second choice type domains), they have more options. And better ones are coming (.web)