discuss I Was Reported For A "Hurt Feelings Report"

[maksimfa]

I have been a name pros members for about 7 years now and have been browsing here for at least a decade. While I don't call myself as a "professional domainer" I do own a portfolio of names, either developed, for development or tactical moves. Most of my domains that I develop are around the two businesses I know most about, firearms and finance. I have been a financial advisor for over 14 years and have been involved in the world of guns from running my gun communities, consulting and cover the largest publicly traded companies.

Recently I put out a request for some domain names, https://www.namepros.com/threads/wtb-guns-outdoors-prepping-ufo-disclosure-one-word-com.1117301/

I have purchased about 5 names so far, passed over many of them however did my best to respond to everyone, whether I was interested or not. Overall, the westerners I have spoken with, based on command of English language, all had quality to solid names, some of which I liked, others that I passed up and for the most part, very reasonably priced.

Got a good amount of spammers sending in unsolicited names that had nothing to do with my request... but then there was this "winner."

It was not necessarily that it was a shockingly awful name... but rather the audacity...

So as per my request... Guns, Outdoors, Prepping, UFO Disclosure and One Word.coms.
Exact Budget Range: Total budget is around $1k but can be raised for true quality, generally though will be between $1 and $100 per name.

This was the PM I received...

First of all, out of the 50+ requests sent in, this was the ONLY one trying to sell me on it.

True Quality.... Solid name for cheap! Unique Opportunity?!?!

Wow... I cannot pass this up...

Generally I just respond with a Thanks but not where I am going or would offer some advice.

In this case, I was just shocked by the audacious request for what I believe is a very mediocre name.

Here is why...

1. GunsBusiness does not make sense. First, no gun company would call or brand themselves "GunsBusiness". It is grammatically incorrect and in fact is "Gun Business." Beyond that, stylistically with the environment, the more appropriate name would be Firearms Business as that is how it is referred to. Once again, to anyone who has any clue about the industry, this is common knowledge.
2. No one I know would put "business" in their brand name. In either case, there are thousands more better brandable domains.
3. As a Keyword domain... IT SUCKS.

Beyond that...
4. Yes... it was a hand reg a few years ago and only has a total history of 8 years.
5. The price is both, out of my requested budget... and really out of the world.
6. The audacity to push this domain rather then letting it speak for itself.

Or maybe the price is not bad? After all it is listed on Afternic for $50,000.

So... I responded in what I believe to be a helpful manner to the seller...

So I thought that was the end of that....

Next thing I know the seller is involving NamePros staff!

And then I get....

So I had to respond...

Overall I am just in shock... snitched on for apparently hurting someone's feelings when they make a hard push to someone who actually would be a buyer in the business.

Seriously, there are LOTS of great domainers coming out from Asia and Latin America... but OMFG the audacity of some.

OR I suppose every grammatically incorrect two word domain registered for $10 or less is worth $500 and I am just stupid.

 

[MasterOfMyDomains]

Is this still Omar’s name?
Guy crapping all over mike mann name?

People get upset if you dont reply to their pm, and if you do.

I see nothing wrong with what you did.
Serms to be a crooked line when it comes to infractions, heated debates and mods deleting posts.

 

[maksimfa]

@NYJimbo is so spot on - many members would need grammar lessons before domaining lessons
But even before: courtesy lessons.

However, if the amount you're willing to pay per domain is more or less capped to $100 - then I don't think you are going to receive lots of quality submissions.
I have stopped replying to buyer requests a very long time ago, because the requests are most of the time too imprecise and the incentives are low.
Even if I had quality names I would refrain from submitting them because they would most likely be over your budget.

I know that advertising a bigger budget is not always the solution either. You are going to get an onslaught of PMs from newbies who think they found their savior who will relieve them of their financial burden due to the awfully bad purchases they made.
This is what is sad imo, that the buyers section has turned into a venue where suckers are looking for bigger suckers and the people who post buyer requests are preys. It's almost like a pack of wolves trying to hit at your wallet and yet you have to reject them politely

This person is clearly delusional. It is funny how he's arguing with you in broken English. Poor Amanda
Personally I would use a canned response. Don't offer appraisals or friendly advice over a sales channel but I know it's hard to resist.
Have you seen the reactions in the appraisal threads ? If people have stepped up to outbound or are replying to buyer requests they are already convinced their names are good. It's going to be difficult to argue the opposite.

This thread also exemplifies one thing: there are many pitfalls when you're buying names pertaining to an industry you don't know. You may land names that look good to an outsider, but the feeling is deceptive because they are not names that a real pro end user would use.
That's why I advise newbies to start with niches they are familiar with. They are more likely to buy names that at least make some sense, and could even be usable.

Great post.

Generally I agree with the budget, but I am not asking for a quality chip 3L .com or a short one word dictionary. For those there is definitely a standard so to speak.

For keyword, niche specific 2 word domains, $100 is more than fine. In fact the names I picked up for under $100 are far better then the general ones being submitted or solicited for more than that.

There was one domain offered for around $1k that i am still tossing around which has two potential end users to whom it would be worth between $5 and $10k... however if they do not take it... I would be lucky to break even.

Names under $100 offer a far better risk reward profile. While their upside may not be $5 to $10k.... there are far more potential end users in the $1,500 to $2,500 range. Worst case, I should not have too hard a time reselling then for $25 to $50 or just use them as an affiliate or parking page.

So personally, again depending on the space, there is plenty of quality two word names avail in any price range and even some that were recently dropped and overlooked.

As others pointed out... it is all about knowing your niche inside and out and having potential end users identified.

 

[maya-zir]

Great post.

Generally I agree with the budget, but I am not asking for a quality chip 3L .com or a short one word dictionary. For those there is definitely a standard so to speak.

For keyword, niche specific 2 word domains, $100 is more than fine. In fact the names I picked up for under $100 are far better then the general ones being submitted or solicited for more than that.

There was one domain offered for around $1k that i am still tossing around which has two potential end users to whom it would be worth between $5 and $10k... however if they do not take it... I would be lucky to break even.

Names under $100 offer a far better risk reward profile. While their upside may not be $5 to $10k.... there are far more potential end users in the $1,500 to $2,500 range. Worst case, I should not have too hard a time reselling then for $25 to $50 or just use them as an affiliate or parking page.

So personally, again depending on the space, there is plenty of quality two word names avail in any price range and even some that were recently dropped and overlooked.

As others pointed out... it is all about knowing your niche inside and out and having potential end users identified.

So you try to buy xxx-xxxx domains for a few bucks and crying because of too much spam..
If all PMs make you so upset, maybe better search for domains on Sedo, GD, Afternic etc?

 

[BaileyUK]

I get it and have felt the same way at a time about liberals. lol. BUT you have to realize that 1. People are entitlted to their own beliefs. 2. Why do you even care? Worry about your own life first before changing someone elses.

I.e. I love learning about different cultures and religions, I even enjoy talking and learning different view points from people who fundamentally disagree with my stances. Once you accept that you cannot convert someone and that it doesn't even matter... life gets better. Heck, I would even love to talk to a fundamentalist follower of Islam just to understand them because it is all about furthering yourself by learning what drives other people.

So to tie this back into domaining.... even though I have little interest in brandables/NNNNN, gTlds, or no experience in like CHIPS, I take in all I can about the space to understand buying behavior.

I do agree
But, If your going to spend a lot of time understanding others, Your going to spend a hell of a lot of time in Just nodding your head, just in case you upset someone

 

[maksimfa]

Is this still Omar’s name?
Guy crapping all over mike mann name?

People get upset if you dont reply to their pm, and if you do.

I see nothing wrong with what you did.
Serms to be a crooked line when it comes to infractions, heated debates and mods deleting posts.

I can neither CONFIRM or deny that.

 

[Recons.Com]

So you try to buy xxx-xxxx domains for a few bucks and crying because of too much spam..
If all PMs make you so upset, maybe better search for domains on Sedo, GD, Afternic etc?

It is the nature of this business and I am surprised you are in domain investment if you don't realize it.

If your domain's value to end user is around $2000 and you are selling 1%-2% of your inventory every year and you expect 30% return on your investment, which is not much for such a risky business, then the max price you can afford per name acquisition is $40 to $110.

 

[maya-zir]

It is the nature of this business and I am surprised you are in domain investment if you don't realize it.

Being domainer you can handreg domain.
You can buy expired domain which was dropped because of a lot of reasons.
You can buy a domain from somebody who wish to flip it and get his part of ROI.
Posting on here WTB you know that 95% of buying domains will have potential but they are offered to you very cheap becasue sellers need urgently money, thats mean they offer you valuable domain which have higher sellable % than handreg.
So all of you are getting cheap valuable domain with high posibility to resale them and make a good ROI.
So, what the hell all of you are crying and reporting sellers who offered you a wrong domain name?
Spam is part of price you pay for get a valuable domain for cheap.
Stop crying..
If you dont like spam, buy domains for resale on GD, Flippa, Sedo etc

 

[xynames]

I couldn’t quite folllow all of what you’re trying to say but this

<<So all of you are getting cheap valuable domain with high posibility to resale them and make a good ROI.>>

I beg to differ. I’m certain that nearly all of the PMs being sent to offer domains for sale in response to the WTB threads are offering garbage that isn’t even worth reg fee.

To be fair, on the other side - nearly all of the WTB threads are buyers trying to buy gold for the price of lead.

 

[maya-zir]

when you request domains, you dont have waste your time searching and inventing names..
you just sit and get domains.. all kind of domains... good ones, crap etc..
this is part of low price you pay for get a good domain..
what is the problem?
let me guess, you want to post WTB and get just a few high valuable domains offered to you for 10$ and which ones you will resale for xxxx?
no, dear, all spam is part of the work you have to do to get your roi

 

[maksimfa]

It is the nature of this business and I am surprised you are in domain investment if you don't realize it.

If your domain's value to end user is around $2000 and you are selling 1%-2% of your inventory every year and you expect 30% return on your investment, which is not much for such a risky business, then the max price you can afford per name acquisition is $40 to $110.

Precisely.

When it comes to names you are going to resell, you look at your sell through rates, etc. Not every domain is going to be sold by the end of the renewal period so $40 to $100 is precisely that zone before you start losing money.

Anyone who is willing to pay more either has an end buyer already lined up OR is overpaying and not paying attention to their profit and loss statements for the year.

Being domainer you can handreg domain.
You can buy expired domain which was dropped because of a lot of reasons.
You can buy a domain from somebody who wish to flip it and get his part of ROI.
Posting on here WTB you know that 95% of buying domains will have potential but they are offered to you very cheap becasue sellers need urgently money, thats mean they offer you valuable domain which have higher sellable % than handreg.
So all of you are getting cheap valuable domain with high posibility to resale them and make a good ROI.
So, what the hell all of you are crying and reporting sellers who offered you a wrong domain name?
Spam is part of price you pay for get a valuable domain for cheap.
Stop crying..
If you dont like spam, buy domains for resale on GD, Flippa, Sedo etc

See below...

I couldn’t quite folllow all of what you’re trying to say but this

<<So all of you are getting cheap valuable domain with high posibility to resale them and make a good ROI.>>

I beg to differ. I’m certain that nearly all of the PMs being sent to offer domains for sale in response to the WTB threads are offering garbage that isn’t even worth reg fee.

To be fair, on the other side - nearly all of the WTB threads are buyers trying to buy gold for the price of lead.

Precisely... most of the domains which were submitted were mediocre to crap. Out of the 50+ requests and hundreds submitted I have a list of 6 which were interesting/good of which I purchased 4. One I am still thinking about and 1 was simply more than I can justify without having a guaranteed buyer (again, only 2 end users who can make it a good ROI).

when you request domains, you dont have waste your time searching and inventing names..
you just sit and get domains.. all kind of domains... good ones, crap etc..
this is part of low price you pay for get a good domain..
what is the problem?
let me guess, you want to post WTB and get just a few high valuable domains offered to you for 10$ and which ones you will resale for xxxx?
no, dear, all spam is part of the work you have to do to get your roi

I will disagree with this statement.

When I put out a WTB... I do 100% expect to get bad quality names. I think everyone does. What is 100% uncalled for is getting unsolicited offers for 100% unrelated names, so far 100% from Indian/Paki sellers who don't have any respect for the board's rules, ask rediculous prices and don't even stop when told "STOP."

If you turned on netflix, put in a search for comedy and got porn results back... would you say... "It's okay, I should deal with this because I can still watch comedy here."

Also, I think putting a WTB out there is a service to the many domainers out there who would otherwise have no outlets or ability to sell their names otherwise.

Let's be honest... most names out there are made up garbage which no normal end user would buy... (exceptions being sites built into keyword stuffing PBNs and Affiliate sites).

The vast majority of better quality keyword names sold here are only going to be kicked around domainers and will never find their way to end users... because they have no clue how to find the right end users or have the time to market their names.

If you have 200 domain names... how much time are you going to devote to each name to find a buyer? Odds are, you are not going to get around to trying to find end users for 95% of the names.

So... with that in mind... Selling a hand reg for $20 to $40 is the best case outcome for most domains. 98% of the domains are not going to get an inbound lead.

Overall this is what sets the whole $1,000 to end user domain is worth $10 on the reseller market... because out of those 100 $10 domains, only 1 or 2 will be sold for $1,000.

 

[Grilled]

 

[maya-zir]

@maksimfa, again, opening here WTB thread you have to accept to get spam.
if request for domains hurts you so much with all kind of wrong names and spam, you always can search domains on auctions and aftermarkets.
accept that here on NP the reseller always can buy cheaper than on GD, Sedo etc..
spam and a bunches of wrong names are part of the lw price you pay for the domain buying it here..

 

[maksimfa]

@maksimfa, again, opening here WTB thread you have to accept to get spam.
if request for domains hurts you so much with all kind of wrong names and spam, you always can search domains on auctions and aftermarkets.
accept that here on NP the reseller always can buy cheaper than on GD, Sedo etc..
spam and a bunches of wrong names are part of the lw price you pay for the domain buying it here..

Has nothing to do with that and again, we are not talking about someone asking to send other names but people who don't care about you and they just want to spam you and rip you off. These are not domainers... these are scum who do not care about anyone but themselves.

Generally, the people who sent out such spam have zero transactions, recently registered. They contribute NOTHING to the overall community. They should be IP banned and reported to spam services (like in IPB if one forum reports as spammer, gets blocked as spammer on every active IPB board).

But whether or not unsolicited spam should be dealt with does not matter, it is against NamePros community rules... end of story.

There should be a strict zero tolerance policy on it.

Btw, if I sell you a domain for a good price should I sign up and sell your live email address to which I just sent paypal to? Same logic, right?

But to further your example... I would expect to pay a bit less here than an offer elsewhere because you are going to have to go through A LOT more names and far longer time to find an appropriate name for you.

Furthermore, more than 50% of the people do not follow the rules anyway and requests for things such as submitting your domains with your asking prices... they just send a list of domains then when you respond you get a price 5x higher than what you are asking for an just okay name.

At the end of the day though... unless you are the end user... a seller needs a buyer far more than the buyer needs the seller.

If I am representing a client who wants a specific domain... yeah, it is a balanced transaction.... but in 95% of the "shopping" for domains... the seller holds a right to a digital address (domain) which is costing you $10 to $20 per year to renew and in most cases you have ZERO desire to make it a profitable website.

You, as the seller need the buyer far more than the buyer. The buyer holds the cash... cash is the ultimate goal of a domainer.

I have yet to meet a domainer who is in this predominantly to own a portfolio and keep paying fees on it. It is a dead asset unless you are generating money off of it.

So, buyers who put up WTB posts are the ones in control and in my mind, doing sellers a favor, by providing liquidity, largely for assets that will never generate a penny of income (now that parking is dead).

As far as auction platforms vs WTB posts... again, different story. Auction platforms are for domains which you MUST buy or really need to have. WTB posts I feel is like going shopping... you don't need to buy anything but if a good deal comes up, you take it.

For a seller... I would far rather sell it here. Why?

1. Not paying someone 10% to 20% to merely provide a platform, especially if they were going to buy from you anyway (type in traffic, etc.).
2. I would venture to guess that you have far higher chance of getting your domain sold through a WTB request than merely listing it on an auction site with hundreds of thousands of domains.

i.e. I put out a request and I believe got about 100 names (which were on target, between the 4 categories (guns, outdoors, prepping, one word .com). Out of those I was interested in about 6 to 8 domains, so call it an 8% response rate, and purchased 4 names so far... so a 4% sell through rate. That would be twice as high what a GOOD domainer can expect.

 

[maya-zir]

@maksimfa, nobody make you against your wish to open WTB threads, is it correct?
before to open a WTB thread you know you will get a lot of spam, because not all can appraisal thier domains right way, they just have no fault they consider ther domains valuable.
if you open here a WTB thread you have to accept spam with calm.
nobody makes you to answer, just ignore if you dont like.
it is part of the game, I check daily expired domains and even I set all filters I get usually 45 pages with 200 domains each one and I have to check all this long list..
should I cry and claim to show me just good names?

 

[MasterOfMyDomains]

If you open a bin thread with criteria, you except peeple understand what u mean and follow rules. If u ask for .com peple post how bout .poo?
People dont give a shit about rules cause no one enforces them.
If you disagree with someone your an asshole, and if you agree,
someone else will think your an asshole.
This place needs moderation like the old days. The standard was set then, not today. So it is what it is to the noobs. People that have been here for a while 6-10+ years see what direction the wheel is turning.
You know who is reading this is DR and he is laughing his face off still
This kind of shit would never have happened in the old days. @mr-x made a post earlier think it was him, and i know doubt agree. Not you mr-x i will find out who.
I agreed with above post but not the discrimination part. I see all races here disregard rules and there is a real heinz variety here of people with grade 3 Englis
Domaining is not dead, shall we regurgitate that thread?

 

[mr-x]

I have no idea what you're talking about but I think we agree; this thread is a shit post and OP should be ashamed. No-offense OP.

If you open a bin thread with criteria, you except peeple understand what u mean and follow rules. If u ask for .com peple post how bout .poo?
People dont give a sh*t about rules cause no one enforces them.
If you disagree with someone your an a*hole, and if you agree,
someone else will think your an a*hole.
This place needs moderation like the old days. The standard was set then, not today. So it is what it is to the noobs. People that have been here for a while 6-10+ years see what direction the wheel is turning.
You know who is reading this is DR and he is laughing his face off still
This kind of sh*t would never have happened in the old days. @mr-x made a post earlier think it was him, and i know doubt agree. Not you mr-x i will find out who.
I agreed with above post but not the discrimination part. I see all races here disregard rules and there is a real heinz variety here of people with grade 3 Englis
Domaining is not dead, shall we regurgitate that thread?

 

[maya-zir]

I have no idea what you're talking about but I think we agree; this thread is a sh*t post and OP should be ashamed. No-offense OP.

What? Are you kidding?
Somebody offers you a bad domain for high price, you privatly give him appraisal explaining what is wrong with his domain and he reports you for ruin his air casttles?

 

[mr-x]

What? Are you kidding?
Somebody offers you a bad domain for high price, you privatly give him appraisal explaining what is wrong with his domain and he reports you for ruin his air casttles?

Here's 50 cents. Go buy a sense of humor

 

[maya-zir]

Here's 50 cents. Go buy a sense of humor

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I have a sense of humor, I just didnt see it in you comment

 

[WingMan]

Ignore him/her and move on.

PS

The name is mediocre.