question I genuinely don't understand domain drops

[Bill36]

Hi everyone,

Thought I had a good concept on how to catch expired/dropping domains, but clearly I don't. Over the past 2 weeks I've been trying to catch domains using dropcatch, dynadot and sav backordering. I've won 1 domain and lost all the others. The most recent domain I tried catching (and didn't catch) was not sent to auction, but is now available to hand reg again, but it's set as a premium handreg. If I had 3 different services set to catch this domain, how do none of them catch it and it goes back to hand reg at a premium price?

Can anyone help me understand what I am doing wrong? Much appreciated!

Thank you,
Bill

 

[pb]

Different TLDs have different rules. What is the one that moved to a premium handreg?
Dropcatch is only good for com and net, some others also (try to) catch different TLDs, some have exclusive agreement on TLD backorders (like .ai at Dynadot), and some registries just auction the domains themselves (like .ee or .cz).

 

[Bill36]

It was a 5L .com. Not super upset that I didn't catch it, because I am still trying to learn the drop process, but I just don't understand how all 3 services missed this domain and now its premium hand reg.

 

[alcy]

some tld like co and one and maybe xyz etc are known to add names to prem lists.

that wont change a thing if u regged before they were prem and keep renewing.. but if name gets dropped price goes up

so in your case since u confirm it is now prem name.. what maybe happened is they didnt allow it to go to auction so they can reprice it.

I guess it's possible no?

 

[ran_doank]

So someone reg it faster than 3 services you used?

 

[Bill36]

So someone reg it faster than 3 services you used?

It's available for handreg, just at a premium price.

 

[ran_doank]

Hum? .com doesn't have registry premium

 

[URL Expo]

There is NO PREMIUM pricing for .COM domains, as far as I know. The domain may have been registered by someone else and is up for sale.

Upload a screenshot with the price and registrar. You can blur the domain.

 

[TLDN]

Private individuals and entities exist, who have capabilities like the dropcatchers. They are able to dropcatch the domains and list them.

 

[AEProgram]

It was a 5L .com. Not super upset that I didn't catch it, because I am still trying to learn the drop process, but I just don't understand how all 3 services missed this domain and now its premium hand reg.

most important places to backorder is dropcatch and snapnames, in most cases one of them gets it unless its a name that a lot of people want and then others might try harder.

Who got the name, what registrar? My guess is its a snapnames related registrar.

 

[biggie]

It's available for handreg, just at a premium price.

Hi

most likely, it's owned by someone who has relisted it for sale.

imo...

 

[doidomnola]

Unless it's automated dropcatch is way too time consuming.

I'd go hard on .now regs instead of fighting for .com scraps.

 

[Bill36]

Sorry, missed a lot of messages in this thread. Here is a pic of its handreg price:

Listed as a premium domain at Dynadot, GoDaddy, but for some reason NameCheap is showing the domain registered as of 2014 with no price listed.

 

[pb]

It was a 5L .com. Not super upset that I didn't catch it, because I am still trying to learn the drop process, but I just don't understand how all 3 services missed this domain and now its premium hand reg.

That is not possible. .com has no premium registrations. You're looking at a marketplace listing, the domain most likely didn't drop.

 

[Bill36]

Appreciate the feedback from everyone. I guess the general consensus is that someone caught it and has it now listed for a premium price. Thanks!!

 

[pb]

Appreciate the feedback from everyone. I guess the general consensus is that someone caught it and has it now listed for a premium price. Thanks!!

My "general consensus" is that it probably didn't drop. Check whois or lookup.icann.org for registration date.

 

[URL Expo]

Sorry, missed a lot of messages in this thread. Here is a pic of its handreg price:

Show attachment 270726

Listed as a premium domain at Dynadot, GoDaddy, but for some reason NameCheap is showing the domain registered as of 2014 with no price listed.

The domain is registered and listed for sale by someone else

 

[Bill36]

My "general consensus" is that it probably didn't drop. Check whois or lookup.icann.org for registration date.

Yup, you are right. Updated on 2/15 (yesterday) and nameservers are Afternic.

Thanks everyone!

 

[D Haynes]

Yup, you are right. Updated on 2/15 (yesterday) and nameservers are Afternic.

Thanks everyone!

For future reference, a lot of domain registrars auction off dropping names before they actually drop (which is what has likely happened here). If you're interested in a name you should check to see if that registrars inventory gets auctioned and on what platform. That way you may be able to see if they're being bid on and take part yourself. For instance any half decent name at GoDaddy will never drop as it goes through expired auctions and closeouts before the drop.

 

[Bill36]

For future reference, a lot of domain registrars auction off dropping names before they actually drop (which is what has likely happened here). If you're interested in a name you should check to see if that registrars inventory gets auctioned and on what platform. That way you may be able to see if they're being bid on and take part yourself. For instance any half decent name at GoDaddy will never drop as it goes through expired auctions and closeouts before the drop.

Thanks! How would I be able to check that? Currently I use expired domains to find it then place a back order on dyna dot, drop catch and sav.

 

[ran_doank]

Thanks! How would I be able to check that? Currently I use expired domains to find it then place a back order on dyna dot, drop catch and sav.

There is a "Marketplace Domains" tab on ED. However, you may need to pay a membership fee or meet specific requirements to bid on specific registar where the name being auctioned (e.g, $5/y GoDaddy, Dynadot: require $5 spending etc).
But the good part is that if the name isn’t popular enough, you might get it much cheaper than drop-catching it. The domain age also doesn’t reset.. though that also means nobody else wants it! Lol.

 

[marijuanadomain]

What I don't understand is why some registrar like drop catch can snatched premium domains whereas we can't
What special tools do they have that we can't have??
Sounds scammy

 

[D Haynes]

What I don't understand is why some registrar like drop catch can snatched premium domains whereas we can't
What special tools do they have that we can't have??
Sounds scammy

They have money.

Put in simple terms (as I understand it), when a name is due to drop/expire a dropcatchers (snapnames, Dropcatch etc) system will keep trying to register that name via an automated query to the registry.

Is the name available?
No.
Is the name available?
No.
Is the name available?
No.
Is the name available?
Yes (name has dropped).
Register name.

An automated program can only ask the registry a certain amount of times per second which leaves plenty of time for another dropcatcher to get in and nab the name. The solution? Create more registrars so you can ask/query the registry more times per second.

You end up with companies like Snapnames having (literally) hundreds of registrars purely for the purposes of asking the question more times than anyone else and therefore having better odds of "catching" a name.

This isn't to say that you can't get lucky and try to register a name in the thousandth of a second it becomes available but its highly unlikely.

Anyway all of that costs a serious amount of money.

 

[AEProgram]

What I don't understand is why some registrar like drop catch can snatched premium domains whereas we can't
What special tools do they have that we can't have??
Sounds scammy

go to this page

https://www.icann.org/en/accredited-registrars

scroll through the first drop down menu

it should answer your question

 

[marijuanadomain]

They have money.

Put in simple terms (as I understand it), when a name is due to drop/expire a dropcatchers (snapnames, Dropcatch etc) system will keep trying to register that name via an automated query to the registry.

Is the name available?
No.
Is the name available?
No.
Is the name available?
No.
Is the name available?
Yes (name has dropped).
Register name.

An automated program can only ask the registry a certain amount of times per second which leaves plenty of time for another dropcatcher to get in and nab the name. The solution? Create more registrars so you can ask/query the registry more times per second.

You end up with companies like Snapnames having (literally) hundreds of registrars purely for the purposes of asking the question more times than anyone else and therefore having better odds of "catching" a name.

This isn't to say that you can't get lucky and try to register a name in the thousandth of a second it becomes available but its highly unlikely.

Anyway all of that costs a serious amount of money.

All expired domains should go to the food bank and let everyone bid the domain and the profit goes to the food bank

Good idea..
Win win