strategy How to Find Potential End Users?

[shilmy]

Hi,

Do any of you has regularly sell your domain to end users? If so, do you mind share with me in this thread on how find potential end users for your domain?

Regards,
Sjarief

 

[Edward Smeu]

I think you should avoid dedicated email servers because these are considered high risk mass spam senders.

I use my hosting,have a 60email/h limit but I sent tests to 6 email addresses: yahoo, hotmail, gmail and NONE landed in Spam folder, all Inbox.

 

[RaiderGirl]

I think anytime you contact a end user you lose a huge amount of negotiating power.. The domain you sold for x,xxx you could of easily of gotten double or triple by waiting it out and allowing them to contact you first.

I myself shoot for the maximum, If your willing to sell your domain(s) for far less, then knock yourself out.

 

[Edward Smeu]

I think anytime you contact a end user you lose a huge amount of negotiating power.. The domain you sold for x,xxx you could of easily of gotten double or triple by waiting it out and allowing them to contact you first.

I myself shoot for the maximum, If your willing to sell your domain(s) for far less, then knock yourself out.

It all depends on the strategy you have and if you find an end-user which WANTS your domain, no matter how you find it, it is wrong to think you can't get max value out of it just because you contacted him.

It is true that when an end-user contacts you you can squeeze him out but that only applies when you have no sales volume.

 

[lennco]

I think anytime you contact a end user you lose a huge amount of negotiating power.. The domain you sold for x,xxx you could of easily of gotten double or triple by waiting it out and allowing them to contact you first.

I myself shoot for the maximum, If your willing to sell your domain(s) for far less, then knock yourself out.

I have done the waiting game for years letting buyers find me through Sedo, my site and whois and I have probably sold a total of $20k in domains so far.

I am tired of playing the waiting game and now I ready to play the Federer game and start making $5k - $10k a month.

But before I do I want to make sure I got all my ducks in order, email strategy, avoiding spam folders, ect.

 

[ibidu]

I am tired of playing the waiting game and now I ready to play the Federer game and start making $5k - $10k a month.

Absolutely. I am really surprised that people here seem to have ignored the success he's been getting in the way he's been getting it!!

 

[RaiderGirl]

It is true that when an end-user contacts you you can squeeze him out but that only applies when you have no sales volume.

I'm not sure what you mean by no sales volume?

And nobody is getting "squeezed" here, We all have the right to name our price, and if the buyer doesn't want to pay that price, he's under no pressure or obligation to do so, he can register the .net or .org for all I care,
I even suggest they register another TLD that's more in line with their price, The end result is usually a SALE.

I no longer play the Priceline game where buyers name their own price, been there done that.. You give into their asking price and they dream up more ways to reduce it even more.

Standing firm has always worked well for me.

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I am tired of playing the waiting game and now I ready to play the Federer game and start making $5k - $10k a month.

But before I do I want to make sure I got all my ducks in order, email strategy, avoiding spam folders, ect.

Your going to need domains that end users really want, hopefully you have them.

I wish you the best in reaching your goals.

 

[tonecas]

How can I tell if my IP blocks are clean?
How would I know if the IPs I have are dirty?
I like to know the history of them to see if someone who had them before me was abusing them with bad site and spam emails.

google "checking blocked spam ip"

mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx

regards,
tonecas

 

[Edward Smeu]

I'm not sure what you mean by no sales volume?

And nobody is getting "squeezed" here, We all have the right to name our price, and if the buyer doesn't want to pay that price, he's under no pressure or obligation to do so, he can register the .net or .org for all I care,
I even suggest they register another TLD that's more in line with their price, The end result is usually a SALE.

I no longer play the Priceline game where buyers name their own price, been there done that.. You give into their asking price and they dream up more ways to reduce it even more.

Standing firm has always worked well for me.

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Your going to need domains that end users really want, hopefully you have them.

I wish you the best in reaching your goals.

1. By sales volume I mean more than 1 sale per week(at least), just find Federer's posts and you'll understand.

2.I didn't use that word in a bad way, a good way for the seller.

3.Buyers never name their own price! You are giving them the price (usually higher than your expected price) and you settle for a lower offer(expected price), that simple. The trick is to let the buyer feel in control and comfortable.

I wish you all the best.:kickass:

 

[lennco]

Your going to need domains that end users really want, hopefully you have them.

I wish you the best in reaching your goals.

Well I have about 400 to choose from so we will see

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google "checking blocked spam ip"

mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx

regards,
tonecas

Thanks for the tool.

I checked all my IP's with that tool and no blacklist but can they still be dirty even if not on a blacklist?

 

[lennco]

google "checking blocked spam ip"

mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx

regards,
tonecas

I have now an interesting dilemma, I check my webslites severs IPs and they are all clean, no blacklist.

Yet my emails are still going into spam folders.
So then I check my internet IP that is issued to me by my ISP aka Charter and low and be hold it is on 2 blacklist.

So I changed my IP many times (about 20) and every IP Charter issued me is on a blacklist, the same 2 black list.

SORBS
Spamhaus

I called Charter and they pretty much said in so many words that they blacklist them on purpose because those are "Residential" accounts and are primarily for entertainment and they want you to upgrade to a Business account and move up from a Dynamic IP to a Static IP, and its only a difference of about $150 a month....lol

So my question to all of you who have not had this problem sending emails to potential buyers using an email client like Outlook, who is your ISP?
and do you use a Dynamic or Static IP from your ISP?

 

[mwzd]

Create a new google apps account for the domain you use to send email.

That will give you 5 email IDs for free, use one to send, one to receive replies and one to handle bounces, should be fine.

Takes a little doing, but at least your email will go through, assuming you're using google's smtp.

 

[lennco]

I think I have fix my problem with my emails going to spam folders so here are a couple of tips for anyone emailing potential buyers and wondering if your emails are going into spam folders.

First off go to ipchicken.com - IPChicken and get your IP, this is the IP you are using through your ISP.
Then go to mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx - MXToolBox and check to see if your ISP's IP is blacklisted, there is a good chance it is since I found out many ISP's blacklist their own IP's. They do this so you upgrade to their business ISP.

If it is blacklisted you can try using luxsci.com - Luxsci to send through a clean IP. I am trying them and so far my emails that I was sending to my old AOL account that were going to spam are now fine.

When you send an email to an AOL account, in the message source they tag it either Disposition G for General or Disposition S for spam.
My mail was "S" and now they are "G"
AOL is just one way to check to see if your emails are spammy.

So I suggest first check your IP and then go from there.


Just to add, I am using Thunderbird as my email client and so far it works well with Luxsci, just stay way from Webmail, I tried a couple of email clients in Webmail (Roundcube and Squirrel Mail) and my mail still went to spam.

 

[David101]

just go to search similar domains to your domain and contact their owners and try to sell it.

 

[lennco]

Quick question:

What is proved to be the most efficient for you at the "FROM" box when the end-user see the e-mail before they open it? Is it full name, Surname, Company name etc?

Thanks.

Good question.
When I get emails from sellers a lot of them put "Domain Inquiry" in the From box, and then the domain name in the subject box.
I dont know how well that works.

Also I am still trying to nail down the proper email template.
I still dont know if it should read more personnel or more business like.
Should it read more like its coming form a friend or coming from a company.
I would be nice if Federer could chime in on this.

 

[kosvam]

I have seen that there is a lot of talking about Federer in this thread, and many who are trying to follow his tactics.
I'm Federer's web developer, and until now we have worked together in over 30 micro websites on the new tactic he is following - Developing the domain in a way that will raise it's value, and then contacting end users.
I also follow this tactic for myself, and even if I don't have so many domains, I can say that it's more profitable.
To me, the main point is to focus on certain buyers, and try to "steal" their potential visitors/customers by targeting in specific keywords and markets, and then work on the SEO of the websites.
Once you see results, you can contact the posible buyers and their competitors; but this time you don't sell them only a domain, but together with it important traffic that they are missing. This way the sale is going to be much more posible - because you sell real stuff, nor air*-; and at higher price - because now we are talking for website sale, not just a domain.

*this is how many people think about domains

 

[RTM]

To me, the main point is to focus on certain buyers, and try to "steal" their potential visitors/customers by targeting in specific keywords and markets, and then work on the SEO of the websites.
Once you see results, you can contact the posible buyers and their competitors; but this time you don't sell them only a domain, but together with it important traffic that they are missing. This way the sale is going to be much more posible - because you sell real stuff, nor air*-; and at higher price - because now we are talking for website sale, not just a domain.

*this is how many people think about domains

Voila, you just most eloquently summarised exactly how we develop the vast majority of our web properties before considering a sale.

Thanks for sharing this highly valuable insight - this strategy is, in no small part, why generic parking is dying a slow death.

Rob

 

[ibidu]

Thx for sharing.

It would be awesome if you could help us with the question i asked above.

I think you missed his point completely

 

[lennco]

I think you missed his point completely

We got his point, the domains that I have seen Federer sell seem to always be on the same parked page. I never notice a micro site.

So it still would helpful if someone could help us with the questions we asked above.

 

[ibidu]

We got his point, the domains that I have seen Federer sell seem to always be on the same parked page. I never notice a micro site.

So it still would helpful if someone could help us with the questions we asked above.

Now I think you missed my point!

He's Federer's developer and he did not claim in that post that he has a share in Federer's domain flipping business. So those questions need to be asked from Federer himself if you are to get the precise answer.

 

[lennco]

Now I think you missed my point!

He's Federer's developer and he did not claim in that post that he has a share in Federer's domain flipping business. So those questions need to be asked from Federer himself if you are to get the precise answer.

With all do respect ibidu you didn't fully read kosvam post. He said he also fallows Federer tactics and contacts buyers. We are just asking what do they say when they contact potential buyers and how do they address their emails.

kosvam
Developing the domain in a way that will raise it's value, and then contacting end users.
I also follow this tactic for myself, and even if I don't have so many domains, I can say that it's more profitable.