How the blazing dickens did this happen?

[RWAC]

Domaining, it's a curious world, can someone please explain to me the hidden value in this ebay listing, where the auction price currently is $3,350?!!

What a totally useless bunch of names, what the dickens is going on?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Entire-Portfoli...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

[domainer50]

Obviously he does not have more of what he put on stock. The question means, if i buy one can i buy another of the same. Not, "Do you own any more domains"

 

[Sleepys]

I think that the questions actually was asking do you have any more of these types of names. The answer being that my names are so wonderful and unique that there is nothing in the word like them. His response that they are not-mass produced, is ridiculous, because he just thought up the names and regged them. You can mass produce names, by thinking them up and regging them.

Anyone paying more than $1 for an aftermarket domain name, should know that they are not going to be able to buy 5 of the same exact .com, and why would they want to anyway?

 

[cjbay]

Its obviously the same person bidding on his own domains. I dont do that but I have about 15 ebay names I sell different products under so its possible to bid on your own products if you have p.o. boxes and more than 1 bank account for paypal(maybe an account at bank of america and another at wells fargo). As long as people like him are making bogus sales, it makes it look like domains are worth more than they actually are, to the point, that they might actually become worth that price if everybody did it so Im not going to compain about this guy. Im not going to condone it either cuz I wouldnt want to get stuck with those names.

 

[ajkula]

I don`t know what really happened here, but it`s business, baby!

 

[domainer50]

I think that the questions actually was asking do you have any more of these types of names. The answer being that my names are so wonderful and unique that there is nothing in the word like them. His response that they are not-mass produced, is ridiculous, because he just thought up the names and regged them. You can mass produce names, by thinking them up and regging them.

Anyone paying more than $1 for an aftermarket domain name, should know that they are not going to be able to buy 5 of the same exact .com, and why would they want to anyway?

Mass Production- The manufacture of goods in large quantities, often using standardized designs and assembly-line techniques.

If you own asdf.com unless you sell it there cannot be another asdf.com Mass production is not simply buying names, it is making them. Regging names is not mass producing them.

 

[Sleepys]

Its obviously the same person bidding on his own domains. I dont do that but I have about 15 ebay names I sell different products under so its possible to bid on your own products if you have p.o. boxes and more than 1 bank account for paypal(maybe an account at bank of america and another at wells fargo).

He would not be able to get away with that for an instant on ebay. Ebay's policy on shill bidding states that you cannot have any bid on your auction who either has the same address as you or has the same last name. Yes, this does mean that if your last name is Smith or Jones, then you have already probably broken ebay policy and you may get suspended on your first non-shill related complaint for shill bidding. They are very serious about not having bidders with the same last name as you.

The buyer could be the same person as the seller, looking at his purchases, it would make sense. If he is not really sneaky about it, I am sure he will get caught very quickly. If you guys think he is shill bidding, then it is someone's responsibilty to log into their ebay account and report the auction.

I am curious to see what happens.

 

[davidwest]

eaterie..

or,

perhaps some Brit just wanted : computerie.com

(since it fits with things like an eaterie --- place for food)

and is going to toss what they dont want....


_________________________

a different point-

here in california if believe shill bidding is more than unethical, but is criminal as well...

 

[Sleepys]

Mass Production- The manufacture of goods in large quantities, often using standardized designs and assembly-line techniques.

If you own asdf.com unless you sell it there cannot be another asdf.com Mass production is not simply buying names, it is making them. Regging names is not mass producing them.

Yes, but you are not looking at the product correctly. No one in their right minds thinks that they can register asdf.com 5 times and own 5 of them. For that matter, there would be no use for the same person to have more than one "copy of a name". So, the buyer must be asking do you have more of these types of names (also, it would not make sense to buy a portfolio of 100+ names and ask if you can get a copy of some or all of them). He is asking for more of the type. Two word .ws with a hyphen, .mobis that don't make much sense, or made up words that end in the letter "y". In your example "other 4 char names". If there were 10,000 4 char .coms left to register and you sold 100 of them. If someone asked you if you could get more, you would say "Sure, I can get you 9,900."



I just noticed this listing by the same seller http://cgi.ebay.com/FICOSCORE-MOBI-...oryZ3767QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Ficoscore.mobi. That was supposed to be a free gift with my $3500 purchase?? At $25,000 BIN I bet you guys are starting to think that this buyer got a pretty good deal. :lol:

 

[ulasbbtr]

what is a fico score? is it a generic term?

 

[Sleepys]

FICO Score = Credit Score.
I would consider it a generic term, I don't see much use for it as a .mobi.

 

[npcomplete]

FICO Score = Credit Score.
I would consider it a generic term, I don't see much use for it as a .mobi.

FICO is a registered Trademark:

Word Mark FICO
Standard Characters Claimed
Registration Date August 30, 2005

tarr status page:
http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=78428995

Marc

 

[VisualArtistFrankBonilla]

Its obviously the same person bidding on his own domains. I dont do that but I have about 15 ebay names I sell different products under so its possible to bid on your own products if you have p.o. boxes and more than 1 bank account for paypal(maybe an account at bank of america and another at wells fargo). As long as people like him are making bogus sales, it makes it look like domains are worth more than they actually are, to the point, that they might actually become worth that price if everybody did it so Im not going to compain about this guy. Im not going to condone it either cuz I wouldnt want to get stuck with those names.

There's no way you could make some of his names be worth 1 cent, no matter what you did. I don't believe it.

Frank

 

[tetrapak]

This is amaziey!

 

[Coopey]

domain-vre( 74) US $3,500.00 Dec-23-07 23:40:03 PST
u***5( 0 ) US $3,450.00 Dec-21-07 07:05:46 PST
.***.( 27) US $3,300.00 Dec-21-07 09:41:11 PST
.***.( 27) US $3,200.00 Dec-21-07 04:29:38 PST
.***.( 27) US $3,000.00 Dec-21-07 04:28:42 PST
u***5( 0 ) US $2,889.00 Dec-21-07 02:17:01 PST
.***.( 27) US $2,800.00 Dec-20-07 05:06:47 PST
u***5( 0 ) US $2,600.00 Dec-20-07 05:05:01 PST
.***.( 27) US $2,600.00 Dec-20-07 05:06:38 PST
.***.( 27) US $2,500.00 Dec-20-07 03:40:21 PST
u***5( 0 ) US $2,299.00 Dec-20-07 03:34:07 PST
.***.( 27) US $2,200.00 Dec-20-07 01:28:46 PST
.***.( 27) US $1,900.00 Dec-20-07 01:28:30 PST
.***.( 27) US $1,800.00 Dec-20-07 00:07:53 PST
.***.( 27) US $1,600.00 Dec-20-07 00:07:38 PST
.***.( 27) US $1,400.00 Dec-20-07 00:07:28 PST
.***.( 27) US $1,350.00 Dec-20-07 00:07:18 PST
.***.( 27) US $1,300.00 Dec-17-07 19:46:41 PST
u***5( 0 ) US $1,300.00 Dec-18-07 23:41:59 PST
.***.( 27) US $25.00 Dec-16-07 21:02:34 PST

If you look at u***'s bidding details you can see that he's a new member, that's only ever bid on this item.
Now what's interesting about .*** is that he has bid on two items in the past 30 days (bidding details) both from the same seller, but in entirely different categories (the other category being LCD TVs)- it could be a coincidence or the buyer could have clicked 'other items from this seller' and coincidentally actually been interested in the TV too- but the bidding here made me think not.
I thought u***'s bids seemed genuine, with .***'s being the shill bids (gradual increments to push close to a real bidder's top bid), but they may have both been shills.

Either way, the winning bidder, domain-vre, looks genuine, has a history of buying domains (although the bulk seem to be around $10 lots!) and it doesn't look like he was the victim of the (alleged) shill bidding as his bid came after u*** had pushed it up to $3450 and no further bids were placed after his. Although he may be a victim in that he's seen the high price and thought that all of the domains may be worth something.
Saying that, I think suicidally.com is an excellent name, and also a handful of others, such as vegas-nudes.com, 100.tc and plump.cc may potentially be worth more than the $25 per name the auction ended at; but would overall agree with the consensus thus far that the package as a whole is way over-priced.

The phrase "Caveat emptor" springs to mind.

 

[Sleepys]

If u***5 did shill bid, which looks entirely possible, then it is ridiculous to think that the high bidder was not a victim of shill bidding, just because he ended up being the high bidder at the end. The shill bidder got into a bidding war with (possibly another shill bidder) and either way, drove the price up significantly higher than it should have gone, which somehow induced the buyer to bid higher than the shills highest bid of $3450 (Who would place a bid of $3450 that actually wanted the domain? You want to place a bid at the round number or slightly above, placing a bid of $3450, is similar to placing a bid of $95 on something, you are just asking to get beat out at $100.

Either way, as I said before, if people on this board think that shill bidding was going on, that is very serious and it should be reported numerous times to ebay to investigate. It is always buyer beware on ebay, but that doesn't mean that if you break the rule you should get away with it. At least the buyer didn't go the "private auction" route, which to all of you ebay newbies basically means "I am trying to scam you and I don't want people to warn you, or you to warn any other potential victims."

You should always be careful on ebay or any other public marketplace.

 

[domainer50]

Sleepy, due to shill bidding I have more or less stopped using ebay as a means for domain acquisition. But shill bidding and a fake sale are 2 different things.

 

[Sleepys]

I know the difference between shill bidding and a fake sale. I am not sure what in my poists gave you the impression that I don't.

 

[domainer50]

I know the difference between shill bidding and a fake sale. I am not sure what in my poists gave you the impression that I don't.

I am not sure what post it was when you said "Probably a fake sale" when I asked how you said something about mass production which is irrelevant, and shill bidding which is irrelevant. Thats all I am saying.

 

[Sleepys]

I am not sure what post it was when you said "Probably a fake sale" when I asked how you said something about mass production which is irrelevant, and shill bidding which is irrelevant. Thats all I am saying.

I am confused now. Are you saying that your comment about mass production was irrelevant? I know that my comments were all very relevant to this thread, your's may have not been so much. I also never said "probably a fake sale"

 

[Coopey]

If u***5 did shill bid, which looks entirely possible, then it is ridiculous to think that the high bidder was not a victim of shill bidding, just because he ended up being the high bidder at the end. The shill bidder got into a bidding war with (possibly another shill bidder) and either way, drove the price up significantly higher than it should have gone,

I'm not disagreeing (in fact I +Rep'd for a good post) my point was, whilst the buyer is still a victim of the (alleged) shill bidding, he has least put his high big in after the shill bids, so he knew exactly how much he was paying and the shill bidding did not push that amount any higher- so he is actually more a victim of misrepresentation as the two alleged shill bidders have created the impression of a valuable and desired lot of domains than of any shill bidding. To be sure though, we would have to ask the buyer if the listing was on for $3500 'Buy It Now' (i.e. not an auction, no bids) would they have gone for it- my guess is no.
I don't know if anyone else did, but I reported to eBay for suspected shill bidding.