How much are you willing to pay for traffic with revenue domains?

[biggie]

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Hi All

started this thread because i've seen some new posts in domains wanted section recently, where members are seeking such names.


you will have to offer more than $$ > $$$ to get decent submissions


example:

if i have a domain making $2 a month, do you think i'm going to sell it to you for 2 years revenue or $50?

in fact an offer like that is lower than what you would pay if bidded for at namejet.



or a domain making $10 a month, do you think i'll sell for $300

absolutely not...unless, i'm clueless!

so...if you want these type of domains, that have been "pre-screened" by their owners, then increase your budgets and maybe you'll get better submissions.



Good Luck!

 

[m-i-k-e]

It all depends on the source of the revenue. I'd be a fool to pay 2 years revenue for a crappy domain with old backlinks that are earning money today but will likely dry up in a few months.

Not all 'revenue' domains are created equal.

It's not just buyers that need to be realistic.

 

[equity78]

Oh I agree, there are certainly people trying to make it all math and just say $1 a month ok here is $24, I paid you 24 months, but usually experienced domainers are trying to get the whole formula, not just a part of it.

Viable Keyword/Keyword Combo that has use as a product or service along with some traffic that gets clicks.

So the name on its own has value, that potential brand/usage value does not go out the window to make it just about numbers and sell based off of a multiple. Look I know there are some people who just approach it from a math standpoint, they are trying to get as low a multiple because they are just plugging numbers in,

Bought 10 names at 24 months revenue, Month 25 and on I am in the money. They cannot fathom paying 10 years and I do understand that from a basic math standpoint. You have to worry about searching and discovery trends and if you have to wait til year 11 to make money that is an anxious decade.

The types of domains matter and the amount of traffic and from which part of the world enter into play. For years I owned TVsbt.com the traffic was not bad 300 to 500 a month, but the traffic was all from Brazil and the clicks were only in the nickel to dime range.

I own a hotel domain that does not do a lot of traffic, but seems to be successful in getting clicks when it does see traffic and Hotel CPC is pretty good, I have offered that as a lower multiple (12 months) to be fair to the buyer to protect their risk of it not being highly trafficked, now if I had 100 of these names then that would be great, no maintenance just renew $8.50 and it makes $25. But I don't have 100 so taking $300 for the name is worth it to me because I would rather use the money in a niche where I am actively involved.

On the flipside a nice fashion related domain I own that makes a $1 a month I am not selling for $24 because the name can sell for $x,xxx without any mention of the traffic.

 

[Kenny]

in the "old days' the overture keyword tool was the guarantee.

And who doesent miss that?

Peace,
Cy

 

[biggie]

Hi

up'n this thread for 2022

since revenue domains are even harder to come by...
how much are you willing to pay for them now?

or do you feel they are not worth pursuing?

imo....

 

[frank-germany]

and then it also turned out the seller was making big monthly revenues overall on PC.. therefore his account was getting better rates than most people on PC... which is info I actually confirmed with PC support.. that they have revenue tires..

thank you for that info.

PC used to be good
nowadays I can hardly believe it

 

[Sam]

And who doesent miss that?

Peace,
Cy

I lived off that baby overture tool. Man was that panning for gold

 

[oldtimer]

I think one the reasons that caused overture tool to end were all the automated queries that were being sent by domainers all at the same time every month when the new numbers came out. :]

 

[alcy]

people on np sell regularly trafic domains for 2-3 years of revenue.

of course (and hopefully) buyers will research links first etc... so they have idea if domain will keep making money for next few years so they can get their money back + some profit.

to me personally 2-3 years is too long just to get my money back.

but again all this will depend on the research done on the domain... I am no park expert but know a few things.. and not all 10$ per month making domains are created equal therefore not all would be worth the same!

for instance I once bought on np couple years ago something like 20-30 domnains in one batch... for $800 total. the seller showed them to be making around $800 per year. so technically I paid 1 year revenue. which is fine to me. but in the end... this also means 200-300$ renewal fees.. and then it also turned out the seller was making big monthly revenues overall on PC.. therefore his account was getting better rates than most people on PC... which is info I actually conifrmed with PC support.. that they have revenue tires. apparently, bodis does not do that.

luckily for me... I was able to make money back even after renewals, even if most names make little money (I moved all to bodis, where it is bit better thna my low rev tire PC account), one single one of those domains is making around 20-30$ per month. the rest.. not so hot.

all in all, unless you know whast your doing in parking.. and not so many people do (relatively speaking)... its better to stay away from the small revenues.. or potetially paying tons of money upfront (years) and mayube not even getting it back.. never mind profit..

 

[namemarket]

Its amazing how much things have changed since this thread was started, I have always wondered why anyone would want to sell a true non infringing traffic domain that is and has been producing consistent and continuous revenue over the years, such domains have probably paid for themselves many times over and only have the minimal cost of renewal to keep them indefinitely, so why sell them if they are making money. IMO

I am sure it's far from being consistent and continuous. Very few of the old domains make good revenue now vs the year 2012 when thread was started and earlier years when they did even better than 2012. The vast majority of names with good type-in traffic then have far less less type-ins and major reductions in revenue now, as much as 95% lower vs about 8 to 12 years ago.

 

[biggie]

Its amazing how much things have changed since this thread was started, I have always wondered why anyone would want to sell a true non infringing traffic domain that is and has been producing consistent and continuous revenue over the years, such domains have probably paid for themselves many times over and only have the minimal cost of renewal to keep them indefinitely, so why sell them if they are making money. IMO

yes @oldtimer things have changed

and the perspective you expressed, is the logic behind, why I want more than 2 years rev.

I am sure it's far from being consistent and continuous. Very few of the old domains make good revenue now vs the year 2012 when thread was started and earlier years when they did even better than 2012. The vast majority of names with good type-in traffic then have far less less type-ins and major reductions in revenue now, as much as 95% lower vs about 8 to 12 years ago.

Hi @namemarket

your point has validity for sure.

however, being consistent and continuous, though not at same heights of past times, can still be measurable, even if the % of earnings/traffic per name is lower.

consider such names that made $100 plus in 2012 and prior to, which now earn $10 per month.

if ppc has paid roi for that domain,
then $10 bucks a month, still makes it worth more than 2 years rev.

at least that's how I see it

imo….

 

[Furquan]

As a being investor, I calculate the price with up to 6-month revenue average.

In the above image, you look at the performance & the average earning of that 6 months is $3.50.

$3.50*6= $25

That's what I pay even I try to pay less than that as after all, I am after my revenue.

 

[LamsuanlunT]

just wondering if anybody has purchased any domains with traffic recently?

Yes I did. Unfortunately nothing to report on it yet. The domain is seo related and in the .net extension which earned $1+ per click before I bought it and making $100+ a month on afternic. I purchased it and tried parking at afternic. It won’t stop showing “an error occured”. For about 4 hours it did show a valid page but went back to error mode.

With the really slow support from afternic, I still have not made any money. As much as I can tell, it is still getting some 50-80 visits a day and I have tried sedo and PC for 1 day each.
They made 0.02 euros and zero respectively.

I am thinking of GD Cashparking but have not finalized yet.

Suggestions are welcome

 

[frank-germany]

Yes I did. Unfortunately nothing to report on it yet. The domain is seo related and in the .net extension which earned $1+ per click before I bought it and making $100+ a month on afternic. I purchased it and tried parking at afternic. It won’t stop showing “an error occured”. For about 4 hours it did show a valid page but went back to error mode.

With the really slow support from afternic, I still have not made any money. As much as I can tell, it is still getting some 50-80 visits a day and I have tried sedo and PC for 1 day each.
They made 0.02 euros and zero respectively.

I am thinking of GD Cashparking but have not finalized yet.

Suggestions are welcome

for some domains uniregistry is good
but they have a min payout of $100 after 60 days or so

usually you need to have the domain more then 2 days at a parking company to see results

 

[equity78]

It is what they are looking for Biggie, I have seen many posts and also gotten some private offers where its just about 18 to 24 months, less if its a tm typo.

Domains Wanted really could be renamed Fantasy Island, we get a little Tattoo scream Domains,Domains instead of the plane, the plane.

 

[equity78]

Where I agree MIKE with what you said, the buyers are the one's asking to see inventory the domains usually were not listed for sale. The seller would be foolish not to maximize whatever revenue he or she is making currently, all the seller can focus on is now.

 

[oldtimer]

It sounds like we are talking about two totally different types of revenue domains.

I'm talking about expired domains that have residual traffic from being previous sites. The decision of whether to buy, sell, or hold isn't an ethical one for me, it's a matter of how comfortable I am with holding the risk. Maybe, I just don't have the skills/knowledge to understand exactly what will happen with these kinds of names, but for me the decision is made on the fact that I don't know 100% what the future holds for that traffic and it comes down to how much risk I want to carry.

That’s why I said that there should be a guaranty if someone demands to get more than 24 months revenue for a domain, for all other types of traffic domains the 6 to 24 month revenue model should work okay considering that both the buyer and seller understand and share the risks. IMO

 

[biggie]

My post wasn’t directed at you in specific.

:talk:
I know

. In my opinion someone asking 60 months of revenue (like it was in the old days) should provide some kind of a guaranty for the domain. IMO

in the "old days' the overture keyword tool was the guarantee.

 

[equity78]

This was a good discussion Don. You are looking for 60 months on all your names, thought you were at like 10 years revenue ?

 

[Hypersot]

Just wanted to say... thanks biggie for this very..very informative thread

 

[wreckingball]

biggie,

what kind of multiple do you believe fair for non-TM, never developed (no backlinks) typo domains?

something like 'babybotles.com' or 'whitecandels.com' or even 'wwwbasketballtickets.com'.

Clearly direct navigation traffic, generic terms, but next to zero resell for big payday payout because of the typo factor. Pure, unadulterated revenue play.

 

[wreckingball]

Hi

though you may think it can't resell for a big payout..... when the domain is providing an "income stream", then there is no need to sell it.

therefore, offers or price should be reflective of "replacement value of income" for that domain.

imo....

let's say it has 4 years worth of stats, averages $10/mo and revenue has been relatively steady. 4x annual multiple? 10?!

I'd actually really like a specific number as I've recently come into some $ and would like to start making offers on rev names. But of course, I don't want to set out and just insult owners.

 

[biggie]

a domain making $120 a year for the last 4yrs = $480

most folks ask 6 to 18 months, typically because they haven't held the domain that long themselves.

however, if a domain has been producing income since 2005, held by same owner, then a 10yr multiple may be their minimum.

I can't just throw out a price or a multiple, because every domain is different.... along with every owner and circumstance.

imo....

 

[Kenny]

Waking this baby back up.

 

[biggie]

Waking this baby back up.

pushing the re-start on this

just wondering if anybody has purchased any domains with traffic recently?

or whether you think it's still worth pursuing?

and if so, how much are you willing to pay and if not, why?

imo...