How does this all work?

[Steven_D]

K im new to this site, I came to trade web traffic etc, and ive been reading all your domain name posts, typo sites, advertising, buying domains this domain that domain, rate my domain etc etc.

And ill be honest im totaly confused.

in the, whats your fav domain, you have all listed these domains, which i visit to see what they are, any for most there is nothing there.

just links to other sites. and im assuming that you have hundreds of these domains.

And then in other threads your talking about, number of uniques and clicks etc.

I set up adsense 2 days ago just because I wanted to see how it all worked and what you were talking about, and they pay like 0.02 or 0.2c a page, i forgot which.

so is this like a hobby, some people collect stamps or coins and you collect domain names (its like the geeks collectors item) or do you get them just to make money from them, adsense and links and typos etc?

And how much money are we talking. By my calculation, if adsense paid out .30c a click (Which i understand to be a lot) to make 5K a month you would need 16,666 clicks, and assuming that like 1 in 20 people clicked your link you would need 333,333 visitors in a month or 1111 visitors in a day.

And so you would need what, 200-300ish domains to make that money?

Im just looking for some sort of, this is what we do, and why we do it type thing, there are like 320,000 threads and I cant read them all just to get a handle on what is happening here.

thanks

EDIT: And, if you have like 100+ domains, is there some software that you get that will manage the uniques, clicks, PR, status, links etc or do you have heaps of listings in your adsense accounts, and heaps in analytics etc

Is there a demand for a online system where you login, it shows you all your domains, the PR for its main page. No visits that day + link clicks money earnt etc.

Then you can click on a domain name and see that info for all the pages.

or is there something like this. Im really anal about keeping my shit all nicely in place, and i would get pised of having to swap from adsense thing to adsense thing. or checking the PR of 100 domains.

 

[The Stealthy One]

For most, it's not a hobby. The possibility for making money depends on how good the domains you own are.

 

[DnPresident]

So, you came to trade web traffic, You've set up adsense and your confused about what's going on.

I'd like to know exactly what it is your confused about since you know about traffic, adsense, websites and domain names.

What is it that you need to know? :tri:

K im new to this site, I came to trade web traffic etc, and ive been reading all your domain name posts, typo sites, advertising, buying domains this domain that domain, rate my domain etc etc.

And ill be honest im totaly confused.

in the, whats your fav domain, you have all listed these domains, which i visit to see what they are, any for most there is nothing there.

just links to other sites. and im assuming that you have hundreds of these domains.

And then in other threads your talking about, number of uniques and clicks etc.

I set up adsense 2 days ago just because I wanted to see how it all worked and what you were talking about, and they pay like 0.02 or 0.2c a page, i forgot which.

so is this like a hobby, some people collect stamps or coins and you collect domain names (its like the geeks collectors item) or do you get them just to make money from them, adsense and links and typos etc?

And how much money are we talking. By my calculation, if adsense paid out .30c a click (Which i understand to be a lot) to make 5K a month you would need 16,666 clicks, and assuming that like 1 in 20 people clicked your link you would need 333,333 visitors in a month or 1111 visitors in a day.

And so you would need what, 200-300ish domains to make that money?

Im just looking for some sort of, this is what we do, and why we do it type thing, there are like 320,000 threads and I cant read them all just to get a handle on what is happening here.

thanks

 

[Steven_D]

Lol, when you put it like that, it makes me sound pretty dumb.

let me put it to you another way, i figured that you do what your doing because it was like a hobby, little bit of cash as a side benefit.

But im being told that you do it to make money, and so i guess what im thinking is why. Seems to me there is fuk all money available for the time you are putting in, im sure if you put the time and effort into finding decent business opportunities you would get more money in the same amount of time.

Like I have personally turned $1000 into 300K in less than 3 months (When i was only 20 years old), just by looking at someone elses idea (Finance brokering in real life), buying a fax, $150, spending $300 on advertising, then just working harder than the other company. hiring some staff, then selling my shares to someone else (The guy who gave me the 1K in return for 50%)

and there are literatly millions of opportunities like that all around, on the net, and in real life.

I was talking to a guy last night who spend $500 euros on a site that lets people put their PHP and Cgi code on the site, and then people can buy from the site, and he takes a cut. The site wasnt even working properly and had sod all code on it, but he was making a wee bit of cash, and im sure after a few months of advertising, he will start making thousands per week, it was a really good idea.

So why, is my question, im like, wtf, why spend all this time, appraising domains, checking domains, buying domains etc etc?

and is there a program that you use to make it all real easy so it becomes a more appatising idea?

Or is there something that im just not seeing?

Im just looking at thousands of posts, in absolute amazement, and im like, what is it that they can see that i cant, what part of the puzzle am i missing.

So, you came to trade web traffic, You've set up adsense and your confused about what's going on.

I'd like to know exactly what it is your confused about since you know about traffic, adsense, websites and domain names.

What is it that you need to know? :tri:

 

[bobbie]

And ill be honest im totaly confused.

I'm new to domaining as well, but to tell the truth, adsense has nothing to do with my interest. I don't get excited over .14 cents and that's what I've made so far on parked domains. I do get excited when I go to Sedo or other domain auctions and see $100,000, $50,000, $20,000, $10,000, and even $500 and $2,000 bids on domain names. I started collecting a few and I'm developing a few, got some parked and hope to make a decent sale or two myself. I'm more in a learning phase, but I really like domaining. It's exciting.

 

[mbuna]

Steven,

For some it's a hobby, for other's it is a job.

Money can be made in several ways. One is simply buying and selling domains. Buy them cheap and then market them, or hold them until the value increases. It's not atypical to see domains sell for several thousand dollars. It you hand reg'd this domain then you've made a ton of money.

Other's like myself typically just park the domains and get the click through payments. Every site is different in terms of payment. I have one site where the main keywords pay me $8ish per click. So that domain makes me plenty of money. Other's make me only a few $ per day.

Then other's buy domains, develop them with some original content and fill them with adsense or other ads and get the money that way.

Finally some people simply develop a site until it has a good PR and then sell links off it.

When it's all said I bring in about $1000 a month for doing virtually no work. It's not my job I work a real job and simply do this for fun.

 

[Steven_D]

Thanks, that is exactally the response that i was looking for, why, how and how much.

Thanks

Steven,

For some it's a hobby, for other's it is a job.

Money can be made in several ways. One is simply buying and selling domains. Buy them cheap and then market them, or hold them until the value increases. It's not atypical to see domains sell for several thousand dollars. It you hand reg'd this domain then you've made a ton of money.

Other's like myself typically just park the domains and get the click through payments. Every site is different in terms of payment. I have one site where the main keywords pay me $8ish per click. So that domain makes me plenty of money. Other's make me only a few $ per day.

Then other's buy domains, develop them with some original content and fill them with adsense or other ads and get the money that way.

Finally some people simply develop a site until it has a good PR and then sell links off it.

When it's all said I bring in about $1000 a month for doing virtually no work. It's not my job I work a real job and simply do this for fun.

 

[mbuna]

Glad to help. I know there are other's here that make hundreds a day parking their domains.

 

[Steven_D]

I do get excited when I go to Sedo or other domain auctions and see $100,000, $50,000, $20,000, $10,000, and even $500 and $2,000 bids on domain names.

Surly this would be domains where the owner has done some work get the PR and backlinks up, and it has a reasnoble presence on the net.

Otherwise, would be cheaper to pick a new domain, and sped that money on advetising.

Glad to help. I know there are other's here that make hundreds a day parking their domains.

When you park it, does it automatically have links and shit placed on it? or do you have to contact the advetisers etc and ask them to place the adds?

 

[mbuna]

The trick for parking is to find domains that already have traffic. Find that and no work is needed.

 

[hawkeye]

Steven D, This will tell you why people buy and talk domains - http://www.dnjournal.com/domainsales.htm

 

[cache]

if you can buy low and sell high, then you are in the business. The market is
efficient, you can't say some work is harder than others. If it were so easy
then everyone would do it, and no one would make money.

 

[Steven_D]

i hear you, buy low sell high i got it but i have another question.

I check the post http://www.dnjournal.com/domainsales.htm was pretty sweet looking at those prices right, but i dont follow why someone would pay 360K for a domain name, surely they can just buy gibralter.net or .org or .info or wait a month till the next extension fad arrives. or they could just pick a different name

Or is it the traffic and back links they are buying aswell as the name?

im just thinking, when i buy the gold coins, they are gold coins, no one can go out and buy something similar and get the same result, because only gold is worth the weight of gold.

but i if wanted to set up a company right, and someone said, ill sell you my company name for 360K id just have a chukcle and move on and find something else thats only the $400 to register it.

So, my question is again, are they paying 260K just for the name, or is there something else like PR10 that they have 2

 

[mbuna]

Every domain is different, but my take is most are buying the domain you want. .com is very valuable compared to the other extensions.

but i if wanted to set up a company right, and someone said, ill sell you my company name for 360K id just have a chukcle and move on and find something else thats only the $400 to register it.

Good thing for us that all business owner's don't feel the same way!

 

[Alex]

i hear you, buy low sell high i got it but i have another question.

I check the post http://www.dnjournal.com/domainsales.htm was pretty sweet looking at those prices right, but i dont follow why someone would pay 360K for a domain name, surely they can just buy gibralter.net or .org or .info or wait a month till the next extension fad arrives. or they could just pick a different name

Or is it the traffic and back links they are buying aswell as the name?
2

It is the name. People who look for information will always trust Gibraltar.com because the name is generic. It sounds ok, it is descriptive, it is memorable. Nothing compares to having a name that visitors will remember.
No, usually people are not buying names for PR at this price. They buy it because they are generic.

And remember that there are end users too. Those who will develop a site on the domain and will not resell it. For example myyp.com sold for more than $11k. It may mean nothing to you, but the company that purchased it brands it like My Yellow Pages. They had this idea and needed a short domain for themselves. A domain that is easy to type and memorable.

For somebody who wants to develop a brand, a good domain is vital for his/her business. And you cannot hand reg good domains anymore.

Alex

 

[-REECE-]

Proper development and targetting good niches can make even some of the best domainer's earnings seem puny. Indeed, many good domainers have realized that there are better ways to monetize their names than to have them parked. If I were doing this full time, no doubt I'd be developing most of my names. But seeing as it is a hobby, and one which my total investment is <25k, it's more of something I do in my free time.

I haven't found many people around here (or who's portfolios) would suggest it's worth starting up full time today with a limited budget. There's always opportunity, yada, yada, yada. But if someone were starting with say ~1k like I did back in '99, I don't think you'll be getting far for a long time. Going full time on a very limited budget (<10k imo) is pretty much pointless nowadays in comparison with the opportunities out there (a real job, developing your sites, etc). I always tell newbies to get some money ahead --silly to come here with a few bucks thinking you'll strike it rich (not saying it can't be done but the cost-benefit analysis just doesn't add up in your favor generally).

I have about 600 names myself. Going to strike it rich off them? Nope. I figure I could maybe get 100k for them as a whole under current market conditions. Which is not bad I guess... A 400% ROI over 8 years is nothing to sneeze at. Worth the time? No, definitely not. I would have been just as well off had I left all my money in oil + energy where it was originally. However it is a hobby, I do enjoy it, and it keeps me from spending my money on other things...

An as for Gibraltar, a name which I really haven't looked into, I would have to imagine it was sold to an enduser. I know that there's no way I'd ever offer even 100k on it as a reseller.

 

[Steven_D]

Thanks for all the help, i realise that I sound like a tool having absolutly 0 idea why it is working, and the detailed explanations are appreciated.

I have about 600 names myself.

With having more than say 5 domains, is there some software that you can use to track them all. Example,

for my property investments, i have a program that records an image of the house, how much i paid, the address, the mortgage info, the weekly income, it shows me the tax appreciation depreciation etc etc and I can get a report at any time showing me where all my houses are at based on current market conditions. Its really ingenious

With my stocks my stock broker has a tool in his website (which i imagine is quite common) where it has my portfolio, and shows me the paid price, current value, how much i have made or lost. It also holds my options etc aswell.

Now i only have 1 domain, it is for my site that im making, and i have google analytics and google adsense and a google webmasters account. But I have to go from one to the other to the other, to the other depending on what info I want etc etc, and I would image that it would become a real pain in the arse to check up on 600 domains. + i am very anal, i like to see things organised where I can get an exact picture of its value.

So is there a program out there, where you enter in your domain name, maby add a meta tag to the main page, put in your google webmaster, analytics and adsense account details, and it loads up all the data for all your domains into one place, where you can easily manage them?

 

[sashas]

Many people here have websites from which they earn their incomes.

Some others (very few, like me) simply do this part-time and don't have the time (or the knowledge) to make websites. Hence, we simply park our pages and earn money through clicks (which is pretty less, as all traffic is usually type-in).

Now there are a few others who have some amazing domain names that they can sell any day for huge amounts. I suggest you check out DNF. Some of the members there have domain portfolios that are worth more than a million dollars. These people are the true full timers and they can sell their domains in the reseller market any day for huge amounts (why? because they have excellent generic/brandable/short domains).

For a few, its just a hobby. But for most of the people here, its a way to earn secondary income. I am a student and like the extra 200-300 bucks I can make selling domains.
Also, most of us here buy domains in the hope of selling them for a much greater price later (to end users, or to other domainers). Domain prices appreciate at a very fast rate (especially for .com names), and finding the end user can pay off big bucks.
For example, one of the members at DNF sold Supernatural.com for 25k to another member. Within a month, this member sold it to someone else for $125k. Thats a profit of $100k in less than a month, with minimum effort.

 

[Steven_D]

and how do they track their domain names?

 

[sashas]

I believe there are some softwares that allow you to manage them. I think there is the Domain Research Tool (costs $499 I think. Saw a member at DNF advertising an affiliate link from which it was available for only $125) which many of the pro domainers use.

For others like me with small portfolio, we simply use the parking services. For example, all my domains are parked at a website called Bodis.com. From there, i can see the no. of clicks, views, revenue for any domain everyday.