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Bernard Wright

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This is just a hodgepodge of thoughts. I won't distinguish between good and bad people. I'll focus on peoples' actions.

Bad actors shouldn't have guns for committing acts of violence against innocent people, nor for threatening innocent people with potential violence. It would be nice if society could prevent a bad actor from obtaining the gun used in a bad act.

Good actors should have the right to defend themselves and others against bad actors with necessary force. Such force includes the threat of lethal violence, and the use of lethal violence if necessary.

Bad actors don't have regard for the rule of law when acting in a criminal manner.

Society is comprised of individuals pursuing their own interests. Laws are instated to ensure that individuals' rights are not infringed upon by another person or entity. When an individual infringes upon another individual's rights, there are criminal and civil procedures to deal with such matters, overseen by our governing officials. In extreme cases, when the infringing party is a usurping government, it is up to the citizens to protect their natural freedoms from that government. This happens rarely, but it happens. It is wise for an individual to aspire to maintain his/her own personal sovereignty and ability to protect him/herself from unjust threats.

A good actor is responsible for protecting him/herself and, if desired, other people from threats and acts of violence. When police officers are capable of assisting, assistance is welcomed, but the police's main duty is to maintain law and order, not to protect another individual from immediate threat. The individual's primal concern is his/her own personal safety, and this is a responsibility that lies within every individual when faced with a threat of violence.

A gun is a tool. A gun can do a number of things. Here are three examples.

1. a gun can be used to engage in a violent act.
2. a gun can be used to deescalate/end a violent act.
3. a gun can be used to deescalate/end a threat of violence.

We are all players in society with an interest in pursuing our best interests and defending our well-being. Laws that would take guns away from some bad actors are sure to also result in fewer armed good actors who could deescalate violent and potentially violent situations. Violence is not good. Good actors with guns end violent situations more quickly and effectively than good actors without guns do. There are hundreds of millions of firearms on this planet. A bad actor with the desire to obtain a gun will always have the means to locate a gun. Black markets are real.

Good actors should have the legal right to possess guns in order to protect themselves, and others, from bad actors.
 
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The country needs a culture shift, and a completely reformed attitude toward guns.

I Agree, but until then we cannot expect people to be left defenseless against those who indiscriminately want to mow everyone else down.

There are many situations that require a short term and a long term strategy that might not be in the same lines.

IMO
 
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Americans see guns as a means of protecting themselves.

but.... from what and from who, do they feel they need protection from?

that is the real question, behind issue of gun rights


imo...
 
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I Agree, but until then we cannot expect people to be left defenseless against those who indiscriminately want to mow everyone else down.

There are many situations that require a short term and a long term strategy that might not be in the same lines.

IMO
I think the American public in general has been trained to be afraid, and this is what breeds the desperate need for protection that you're talking about. How many times a day do regular people get fed fear? By the media... by the government... commercials... internet forums... targeted online ads?

Even language like what you used above: "mow them down". We hear this stuff everyday and then we repeat it to each other until everyone thinks that needing lethal protection is a major issue and a fundamental right that must be protected at all costs. People buy guns because they're afraid.

And I can't blame them! Fear is easy to consume and hard to fight. But that fight needs to start.
 
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And I can't blame them! Fear is easy to consume and hard to fight. But that fight needs to start.

Some of their fear is justified, so there has to be some compromise by both sides, I believe that sooner or later there will be forced cooperation between people on the opposing sides of the gun issue in order to come up with solutions that can benefit the society at large. People have been fighting over the gun issue for decades and it hasn’t gotten them anywhere, perhaps its time for people to start cooperating based on the necessities of the situation and their shared values like we all agree that something has to be done to stop kids from getting killed at school. IMO
 
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This came out today, after the ridiculous pulling violent video games from displays but still selling guns:

Walmart plans to dramatically step back from ammunition sales after ‘horrific’ shootings

  • Walmart is discontinuing sales of short-barrel rifle ammunition such as the .223 caliber and 5.56 caliber, discontinuing sales of handgun ammunition and discontinuing handgun sales entirely in Alaska.
  • It’s also asking shoppers to no longer openly carry firearms in stores, in states where “open carry” is allowed, unless they are authorized law enforcement officers.
  • CEO Doug McMillon announces the changes following two deadly shootings at Walmart stores over the summer.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/03/wal...-from-gun-sales-after-horrific-shootings.html
 
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^^^^ Their business, their business decision.

I rarely shop there to begin with and I'm not a shareholder (though some of the mutual funds I have may hold them) so I'm not going to get upset about this.

It will also probably be more profitable for them in the long run versus being pressured to hire multiple trained armed guards for each of their stores.

In certain areas Bass Pro Shops/Cabela's sales may see a pop in the near future as a result of this. It will likely also be good for the independently owned local gun shops (LGS).
 
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^^^^ Their business, their business decision.

I rarely shop there to begin with and I'm not a shareholder (though some of the mutual funds I have may hold them) so I'm not going to get upset about this.

In certain areas Bass Pro Shops/Cabela's sales may see a pop in the near future as a result of this. It will likely also be good for the independently owned local gun shops (LGS).

I have no idea what Bass Pro/Cabelas sell but, Walmart will still sell this kind of stuff:

"However, Walmart will continue to sell long barrel deer rifles and shotguns and much of the ammunition for those guns. The company sells guns in about 3,900 stores. Walmart will also continue to allow concealed carry by customers with permits in its stores."

Hunting and sport type stuff still a go. So it's not all gun sales.

Does Bass Pro/Cabelas sell stuff besides that?
 
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I have no idea what Bass Pro/Cabelas sell but, Walmart will still sell this kind of stuff:

"However, Walmart will continue to sell long barrel deer rifles and shotguns and much of the ammunition for those guns. The company sells guns in about 3,900 stores. Walmart will also continue to allow concealed carry by customers with permits in its stores."

Hunting and sport type stuff. Does Bass Pro/Cabelas sell stuff besides that?
Heck, if it has to do with outdoor sports, you can probably get it at Bass/Cabelas! From flip-flops to full on fishing boats and ATVs and everything in between.

Some of their gun areas are amazing and a gun owner's fantasy come true, including some HIGH $$$ shotguns that are works of art.

They even have full service restaurants in some locations. I've never eaten at one but I hear they are pretty good.
 
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