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Going to SSL is NOT going to boost your rankings

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Suspected by many and confirmed by Google's John Mueller in a Webmaster Office Hours hangout:

I wouldn’t expect any visible change when you move from http to https, just from that change, just from SEO reasons. That kind of ranking effect is very small and very subtle. It’s not something where you will see a rise in rankings just from going to https

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we might make that factor stronger at some point maybe ... in the future but
at the moment you won't see any magical SEO advantage from doing that.

he went on to note that the url change can cause temporary fluctuations:

That said, anytime you make significant changes in your site, change the site’s URLs, you are definitely going to see some fluctuations in the short term. So you’ll likely see some drop or some changes as we recrawl and reindex everything. In the long run, it will settle down to about the same place, it won’t settle down to some place that’s like a point higher or something like that.

Some sites have experienced issues going to SSL - the takeaway is, it's a good thing to do at some point, but no need to hurry for rankings sake, especially if it might "break" something else in the process. Take your time and test, test, test.

Full story and video of the hangout on TheSEMPost blog
 
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Interesting, host gator has a banner ad right now saying that an ssl cert will boost rankings in search
 
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Of course they do. Hostgator sells ssl certs. ;)

John Mu is one of the best Google sources around - not only is it his job to try to help webmasters and answer questions, he's in a position to know things and tends to say as much as he can short of risking his job.
 
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For a small business in a competitive geo niche, adding a certificate did take a site from the bottom of the second to first page (targeting a population of 400-750k for some keywords and 100m+ for others), resulting in more page visits, less bounce, more time on page, etc. which could be a contributing factor for remaining on the first page rather than SSL alone and being tossed back. (Theory)

I added https around the day after Google announced a lightweight boost, and saw it almost immediately.

This doesn't imply anyone else's sites will rank by doing this alone. I have to mention that I had quality content before adding https.

The OP is a notable example of quite possibly getting a lightweight boost to see if you deserve it, as the site I did it to has been going strong sometime from Aug. 10.
 
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For a small business in a competitive geo niche, adding a certificate did take a site from the bottom of the second to first page (targeting a population of 400-750k for some keywords and 100m+ for others), resulting in more page visits, less bounce, more time on page, etc. which could be a contributing factor for remaining on the first page rather than SSL alone and being tossed back. (Theory)

I added https around the day after Google announced a lightweight boost, and saw it almost immediately.

This doesn't imply anyone else's sites will rank by doing this alone. I have to mention that I had quality content before adding https.

The OP is a notable example of quite possibly getting a lightweight boost to see if you deserve it, as the site I did it to has been going strong sometime from Aug. 10.


Sounds pretty logical to me. Ranking in the local searches happens much easier and with bigger jumps because of the low competitions. So any factor that you employ correctly will bring a more significant change than if you use the same thing for a global rank. Also mentioned by John Mueller as "definitely going to see some fluctuations in the short term".

Also, thanks @enlytend for bringing this up - since the first announcement about the HTTPs as a ranking factor I am trying to explain all around that the value it holds is really miniscule and jumping on the SSL bandwagon just for that might as well risk you slowing/breaking your website and paying for something you don't really need (if you are not selling online or collecting any delicate visitor data).
 
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For a small business in a competitive geo niche, adding a certificate did take a site from the bottom of the second to first page (targeting a population of 400-750k for some keywords and 100m+ for others), resulting in more page visits, less bounce, more time on page, etc. which could be a contributing factor for remaining on the first page rather than SSL alone and being tossed back. (Theory)

I added https around the day after Google announced a lightweight boost, and saw it almost immediately.

Interesting - what type(s) of queries saw the lift? (head vs long tail, geotargeted vs local intent vs generic, competitiveness, intent - transactional vs informational vs navigational ...) and did you leapfrog certain sites or did a bunch of sites above you drop? Just trying to get a better idea of the whole picture!

I also have to wonder if you were seeing Pigeon (local search algo update) - especially if it was an across-the-board change. Pigeon began rolling out 7/24 and was shaking things around for a LONG time after that....Pigeon integrated more "traditional" search factors into local result rankings so there were some significant changes for many.

since the first announcement about the HTTPs as a ranking factor I am trying to explain all around that the value it holds is really miniscule and jumping on the SSL bandwagon just for that might as well risk you slowing/breaking your website and paying for something you don't really need

Yeah, I was wishing I was in the SSL cert business around that time ;). Shows you the power they have - they say "jump", everybody scrambles.

Which is why I follow John's Webmaster "office hours." No hype, just questions and answers. Clears up a lot of misconceptions.
 
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Interesting - what type(s) of queries saw the lift? (head vs long tail, geotargeted vs local intent vs generic, competitiveness, intent - transactional vs informational vs navigational ...) and did you leapfrog certain sites or did a bunch of sites above you drop? Just trying to get a better idea of the whole picture!
As it's a local Japanese business, I have no idea what long tail would be considered as 3 characters could translate roughly to a 5 word sentence. The site is set to geotarget Japan / Japanese only. It is a blog on the content management system WordPress serving informational and navigational information in the form of what is going on in the industry, how people can keep ahead of the game, etc. as well as providing guidance in ways of achieving what potential clients would want. Initially we began with 1 or 2 posts a month for a couple months as it was a side project and now we're up to 1 to 2 posts a week with quality information of what's going on in Japanese news.

As far as the industry is, it's very competitive. Though, nobody but the big players can get on page 1, while all the small businesses (mom and pop type) don't even have their own website (which I'm working on which sounds counter-productive, but at least they have a shot to compete now), and if they do, it's hosted on the WordPress.com/Blogspot of this region of Japan.

Other sites that I would consider authoritive with their 7-8$ corporations held their position, maybe a +1/-1 as usual. Except of course mine knocking some down a peg. (Analyzed sites I beat and it was after I tricked out what Google suggested of Page Speed, which could be another factor.)
I also have to wonder if you were seeing Pigeon (local search algo update) - especially if it was an across-the-board change. Pigeon began rolling out 7/24 and was shaking things around for a LONG time after that....Pigeon integrated more "traditional" search factors into local result rankings so there were some significant changes for many.
Since the competitiveness in this niche is so high (local vendors); even being in a small localized area, I don't think going live with minimal updates starting late December 2013 attributed for a spike from low page 2 (~18) to mid page 1 in a matter of days after https everywhere was publicized to give a "lightweight boost" to websites that implement SSL.

It has to be coincidental that adding a certificate did it alone, but Pigeon may have gotten the site from page 6 to page 4-2 over that time span. However, I won't throw out Pigeon being attached to the https everywhere update, giving a larger geo boost than normal. Though, it still doesn't account for a low page 2 to mid-page 1 update within a week of that metric being announced and immediately implemented in my opinion.

Or quite possibly all in a span of that one month prior, I conformed to Page Speed 100% (besides being hit for Google Analytics :xf.rolleyes: as well as sometimes above-the-fold render blocking JavaScript and CSS), added authorship, refined Schema and proceeded to enable https around August 10th.
Yeah, I was wishing I was in the SSL cert business around that time ;). Shows you the power they have - they say "jump", everybody scrambles.
It was nice that GoDaddy had a certificate promo after that (or I just noticed it because I never really cared before August 6th), dropping a $70 cert to I believe around $40. As I had the funds, it was worth a shot to test what "lightweight" meant to them. The certificate has paid for itself time and time again.

Maybe next time they say lightweight, I may jump on it much sooner than 4 days later (and quite possibly had been a dollar short) as local developing companies don't understand the algorithm updates for months despite the Google Japan Hangouts they air on YouTube from time to time. Similar to when a movie comes to theaters in America, it's released months later here. >:(

I suppose when speaking development, that's good for me though as I did sell quite a bit of SSL certs and installed them. :xf.wink:
 
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Thanks for the detailed reply!

As it's a local Japanese business, I have no idea what long tail would be considered as 3 characters could translate roughly to a 5 word sentence.

I would consider it long-tail if it translates to a 5 word sentence. May not take as much typing in Japanese :), but it shows specific intent as opposed to a generic head term. "Camera" (I have no clue what that person wants) vs "Acme model 2500 15 megapixel camera prices" (this person wants something very specific and has credit card in hand.)

The site speed would definitely help, as would continually fattening up the site with quality content. I mentioned Pigeon mainly because it was still in flux early in August, but it sounds like you're more a country-focused resource site than a true "local?" When I say local search, I mean brick-and-mortar or service businesses with a very limited scope - a few towns or a prefecture or so. Dentists, plumbers, restaurants, housekeeping services, day care, landscapers, auto repair ... things that would be in the Google local map pack.

Anyway, interesting - thanks for sharing. And good deal - page 1 traffic rocks no matter what got you there :).
 
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Tablets: タブレット (Arguably 4; but 5 characters, not considered long tail)*
Used books for college: 大学のための古本 (8 characters, considered long tail in English)*

I need to pick up a SEO book so I can understand what's long tail here, it may actually help even more. :xf.grin:

Yes, it's a true local. Without going into detail publicly, it is a for a skilled trade. With the Schema data inputted, I haven't seen it on the map. That's mainly what's keeping the site down low on page 1, the map listings of the "authority" sites + "authority" companies (that charge based on how much you make and not a flat fee; ridiculous nonsense, like the IRS of corporations). Authorship makes up for that and gave a higher CTR from Google as well as G+ referrers since some travel in through that way and the page is kept up to date.

I haven't looked into getting on the map, I thought the local business Schema with coordinates would do the trick. Never tried to a client before as they provided services from home or your place of business (for example, a start-up web hosting company and refining their pitch in the state I grew up in to design himself and host people in his hometown-you really can't say no to a service of $10/mo when you're nice in town-so he pretty much has all businesses under him).

In the industry I'm ranking for, you must be #1 (paid advertising) or at least truly #1 as you can have a lot of traffic a day (100's of uniques, ~70% being new visitors) but have less than 1-2 inquiries a week. With nearly a 100% conversion rate of those people, that paid for the certificate times over though.

I am by all means not going against what @enlytend wrote about "https everywhere" nor the source retrieved from. This could quite possibly be true and for some magical reason, none of what I did made it to the rank on the first page. It quite possibly be Google played eeny, meeny, miny, moe and selected this particular site to rank higher over all else's for no apparent reason whatsoever.

So I urge you to all look deeper in this subject before spending $40-$70 on a certificate thinking you'll have the same success that I did. If you are getting a certificate, I would actually choose GoDaddy (if you have your domain there, it's validated a lot quicker). This is because between the 6th and the 10th, I wanted to know which Root Certificates had more "trust" (even though every one provided met the criteria of "https everywhere"). I read nothing but bad things about Thawte, Geotrust and Comodo which has 67.2% of the market share while GoDaddy has only 13.4% (feeling lazy, so Wikipedia :xf.grin:). I also didn't want a free SSL/TSL certificate (I believe there are 2 on the market that are "trusted") or sign my own as it wouldn't be trusted by a browser.

* Wife isn't awake to confirm these translations as they're from Google Translate, but they look pretty close with the alphabets that I know of Katakana and Hiragana along with K-1~ Kanji recognition.
 
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I need to pick up a SEO book so I can understand what's long tail here, it may actually help even more. :xf.grin:

Yeah, the Japanese language muddies the waters in this example! Basically, "head" terms are high frequency generic words and phrases - "trophy terms" like loans, tablets, mortgage, insurance, diamond ring ..."long tail" terms (which really ARE longer in western languages) are lower frequency but usually more targeted. A typical site will often get the bulk of its traffic from long tail queries.

I haven't looked into getting on the map, I thought the local business Schema with coordinates would do the trick.

I do mostly local :) Schema is good to do, but that isn't going to put you in the map packs..

What you need to do (short form) is 1: Create a filled out, complete verified Google MyBusiness listing. Follow the rules, don't do anything spammy. 2) start building citations (google "local search citations") - available sources will be different in Japan than in the US and I was unable to find a convenient list for you, but quick reading will give you an idea of what you need. Big aggregators may be the same. (When in doubt, reverse engineer whoever is ranking.) 3) Start getting genuine reviews from real customers (no bribing or fake reviews - they just get filtered) 4) All the normal search stuff, since we have blended search and Pigeon mixing things up (which you're doing already.)

Your SSL results are interesting though - I'd love to see someone do an experiment on a larger scale.
 
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