.tv Giving away gold

[DomainDelver]

I'm new to domaining so don't all jump on me :P

I've been wondering, why are people selling their one word .TV domain names now rather than waiting a few years? I think .TV domains will be worth so much more in the future, even more if developed. Wouldn't it be like selling a one word .com way back when they were just becoming popular?

 

[equity78]

Just because a nmae is one word means little. Shoes is one word and steady is one word. Shoes sold for $18,000, I sold steady for $100. I owned the name for a few hours and flipped it. Dropped, regged sent one email sold. The name was of average quality imo and 10 times my money was fine. Boil is one word it dropped no one regged.

Its the quality of the word and two words can be better.

.TV is not new so its not like .com, and when .com was new it was the only game in town in the public's mind. It did and does get traffic. Focus on getting a name that makes sense with the extension, has commercial appeal and you can easily figure out who potential end users are for resale. Again IMO

 

[DomainDelver]

Thanks for your answer. I do understand what you mean, if a word is too random, long, and pointless then it's not worth much at all. But, i have seen really decent names sell quite low, i can't think what they were off the top of my head but i remember thinking, why? The decent ones should mature, like a fine wine haha.

 

[freedom30]

...The decent ones should mature, like a fine wine haha.

Which reminds me, I have a 4 letter one word .tv that I need to put fresh content on...WINO!

I agree with the 78 that one word names aren't automatically in vogue and many will NEVER be. I just picked that one waiting for some entrepreneur enduser with a sense of eclectic humor to push the envelope and promote fine wines with the name. Bit of a stretch but I am having fun with it and intend to keep until sold, like a fine Ripple!.

 

[Big Mac]

@DomainDelver

I own a lot of two-word and three-word .TVs and I'm holding. Some I am building and others I will sell. I am in no rush and I think .TVs will be very valuable. Video will be everywhere from internet tvs to videos on your phones and tablets. Just be patient!

The .TVs I am selling, I think are worth $X,XXX.XX to $XX,XXX.XX right now (again, this is just my opinion). I am targeting very specific billion dollar corporations who I think would be very happy with these domain names. It makes sense to me, but can they see the light?

Look, it's a risk. I could lose. I am willing to take that risk.

Stay positive and hold your .TVs.

 

[Kate]

I've been wondering, why are people selling their one word .TV domain names now rather than waiting a few years?

I would guess that people are in fact selling after they have held their domains for quite a few years. When you have been witness to over a decade of stagnation, it's not a bad idea to pull out from the market.

I am in no rush and I think .TVs will be very valuable. Video will be everywhere from internet tvs to videos on your phones and tablets. Just be patient!

Well we already are in the Internet video area, and the major sites like youtube are branded around .com. Online video is widespread.
In general, domain extensions do not become more fashionable just because of technology. There is no relationship whatsoever.

 

[ThreeD]

In general, domain extensions do not become more fashionable just because of technology. There is no relationship whatsoever.

Time will tell if that's true or not. I think you're wrong. Does Internet TV come to mind?

Sony have taken their first steps into .TV land and I'm pretty sure Panasonic, Samsung, LG, Philips and other word wide brands are going to follow their path.

Once .TV is used by worldwide television manufacturers or large media corporations, regular end-users will become more aware of the extension. The so-called 10 year stagnation period of .TV won't matter at all. The last 10 years are part of the past, the future is now.

 

[Kate]

ThreeD you've been a member here for longer than I. You have at least 6 years experience in domaining. I really think that experience and retrospect are important to have a good grasp of the business, because many people just have no idea of the past and assume that domains can only "mature, like a fine wine".
That is not true, the value of domains can stagnate and even depreciate over time. Plenty of extensions are testimony to that.

Even if Panasonic, Sony etc all put up high quality websites on .tv, the fact remains that it's a niche extension, and not a general-purpose TLD. Mass adoption by end users will not happen - it's wishful thinking.

Since the OP is new I can only advise studying the market and reported sales carefully. In general the opportunities are obviously fewer in niche extensions than in more established TLDs.

When you consider the high registration/renewal fees the .tv names tend to be a liability (always remember it's not a regulated TLD). The comparison with gold is only valid for the registry.

 

[freedom30]

...it's wishful thinking...

...appears that you are doing some of that yourself, SDS!

 

[DU]

Since the OP is new I can only advise studying the market and reported sales carefully. In general the opportunities are obviously fewer in niche extensions than in more established TLDs.

I don't believe that the opportunities are fewer. The opportunities are simply different.

There is a definite up tick in .TV sales. The numbers don't compare to the 1990s registered .coms but the ROI is often there.

There are more opportunities to sell cars than there are yachts but I can assure you that I know which one is living a better life right now.

When you consider the high registration/renewal fees the .tv names tend to be a liability (always remember it's not a regulated TLD). The comparison with gold is only valid for the registry.

These are valid points. One could say one decent .TV is worth more than 3 crappy .nets

At renewal time, bad names are bad names. You evaluate and adjust.

Which is the segue:

Most of the Gold being sold probably falls into a few categories:

1) Doesn't fit plans and better to get $10-20-30 than drop.

2) It's not worth 10 hrs of time trying to find a $200 buyer

3) Lots of little gold can buy one piece of better gold.

4) It's not gold.

5) Sellers market at NP is not good but some still try

6) What makes a .com good and a .tv good are different things - so see 4.

Here is an absolute fact. Not ONE person knows any market - not ONE person knows the .TV market - but some are very successful. This is exactly the same as .com, .net, .whatever.

Here are some other FACTS:

We've seen names FAIL to sell for $10 here and then sell at mid $X,XXX

We've seen names offered here for $1,000 sell for over 15 x that later.

We've seen many names sit in the "available to reg" go for $1,000+

Final FACTS:

We've seen names bought for over $1,000 on a drop that will NEVER recoup their money

I've seen GEOs of populations 100,000+ and search numbers of 160K PHRASE and 33K EXACT DROP.

I've seen GEOs of same get bid to mid $xxx and some with higher searches fetch HIGH $X,XXX

Here's one final thing to consider.

Boil.TV - to a domainer sucks. However, the most likely end user is in the creative/media markets and has a VERY different perspective on what it values.

.TV is nothing like .COM

Yes. There is GOLD here at NP if you think selling a $10-50 names for $5K in a few months constitutes GOLD.

There is also CRAP here if you consider spending $10-2500 for names with what most people will agree have no potential (see Creative minds).

As far as the TLD situation - someone PLEASE explain how .TV is different to .US, .DE, .UK, .ME, .CO

Heck - let's throw in any that rely on financial backing: backer of a GTLD like .mobi, .museum, .whatever.

 

[VisualArtistFrankBonilla]

I'm new to domaining so don't all jump on me :P

I've been wondering, why are people selling their one word .TV domain names now rather than waiting a few years? I think .TV domains will be worth so much more in the future, even more if developed. Wouldn't it be like selling a one word .com way back when they were just becoming popular?

I recently sold Fidelity.tv for $1,000 on Sedo. You can do a search here, and see I wasn't offering a $1 for it here on NP. I think everyone was afraid of trademark issues. So, a good one word name, but with other issues, or people though!
Same with Seeing.tv, worhtless on Namepros to most. Sedo says it's worth $2,600. On the other end Valuate.com says $450. I knows these are just guesses, and again don't mean anything to most people. Same thing happedn to me with Uv.tv. Couldn't get $1 for it here on Namepros (I understand the reason. Everyone here are also domainers, not end users) Sold it for $4,300 on Sedo.
So, there are other reasons a one word domain may not sell, or be worth hanging onto. I will see what happens with Seeing.tv ($150 her now). If not, I will hang on it, and water it, just like the grass, and watch it grow!
Good luck. :hi:

Frank

 

[ThreeD]

ThreeD you've been a member here for longer than I. You have at least 6 years experience in domaining.

I've been here for a long time, but I don't consider myself a domainer per se. I've been a developer since 95 and I've always been interested in the domain industry

I really think that experience and retrospect are important to have a good grasp of the business, because many people just have no idea of the past and assume that domains can only "mature, like a fine wine". That is not true, the value of domains can stagnate and even depreciate over time. Plenty of extensions are testimony to that.

I totally agree with you but don't you think the situation and the circumstances of .TV are completely different now compared to what they were 10 years ago? How many websites used video 10-11 years ago?

New technologies are emerging almost on a monthly basis. These technologies make it easier to create video content, easier to view video content and easier to reach consumers/end users.

Sure, all-video websites can be found in the .com extension too, but the .TV extension is a much better fit. I'm not going to list any examples, I'm sure you know quite a few of them More and more companies are looking towards .TV, especially TV/media corporations. That's a solid trend that can't be ignored.

Even if Panasonic, Sony etc all put up high quality websites on .tv, the fact remains that it's a niche extension, and not a general-purpose TLD. Mass adoption by end users will not happen - it's wishful thinking.

Once again I agree with you because I'm not talking about mass adoption by end users. I know we won't see the same number of developed .TV's as there are .com's anytime soon. I'm talking about end user awareness and the general growth of the .TV extension to a level where people on the street know what .TV is all about.

BMW, Adidas, Playboy, Techcrunch and many more have moved their video content to .TV and many more will follow in 2011. It wouldn't make sense for amazon or ebay to use .TV unless they used the extension for product presentations or reviews through video.

Time will tell where .TV ends up, but we've seen a solid growth in the last 10 months and new technology has played a big part in that growth.

 

[DomainDelver]

I said mature like a fine wine because...

Older domains usually have a better reputation, more search engine weight.

If the popularity increases then the demand increases, so the sale prices go up for quality names. People either sell or hold on to their domains for a while longer.

Do you really think that a good one word .TV will depreciate when so many 'big fish' are using it or plan to use it? Would they waste their time?

I only posted this because I see people selling really great .TV domains now and i worry one day in the future they will look back and think why the hell did i do that and the ones who held on to theirs will be laughing.

I said they are giving away gold because they might as well be.

This is just my opinion of course.

I wonder, are they most likely selling...

1. For quick money?

2. Because they felt domain happy the day they acquired it, it's actually worthless and they now hope to make their money back?

3. Because they think the future of .TV is over hyped?

5. Their premium renewal fee makes them curl up in a ball and weep a little?

 

[Kate]

Older domains usually have a better reputation, more search engine weight.

Age alone does not make domains valuable. As for the SEO argument, age only helps a little when the domain is developed. When it's parked age will do no good for SEO purposes.

Bad domains don't become good domains just because they have 'matured' for years. A domain can also be considered bad if it is in an unfavorable extension (with little demand).
If a domain has no or little value today, there is little chance it will be significantly more valuable tomorrow.
That's why sitting on domains and waiting for them to 'appreciate' will not work if they have no legs to start with.

Do you really think that a good one word .TV will depreciate when so many 'big fish' are using it or plan to use it? Would they waste their time?

I guess that the big fish you're talking about is mostly concerned with having their own TM names in .tv, if only for defensive registration purposes. Doesn't mean they are interested in acquiring other (generic) domains.

I only posted this because I see people selling really great .TV domains now and i worry one day in the future they will look back and think why the hell did i do that and the ones who held on to theirs will be laughing.

Seller's remorse can always happen, with any extension. The important is to sell at a price that makes you happy today, and reinvest. A bird in the hand is better. Obviously domainers need to sell domains from time to time to maintain cash flow.

 

[MicroGuy]

I'm new to domaining so don't all jump on me :P

I've been wondering, why are people selling their one word .TV domain names now rather than waiting a few years? I think .TV domains will be worth so much more in the future, even more if developed. Wouldn't it be like selling a one word .com way back when they were just becoming popular?

People have been dreaming this dream for ages.

However, the brutal reality is, that for the vast majority of big business, risking an investment in a ccTLD owned (and ultimately controlled) by a third World Country is not an attractive option. :ghost:

 

[GoneWalkabout]

MicroGuy -

Nice to see you back in TVLAnd.

It's obvious you have been away a long time...

...and a lot has changed.




I think everyone accepts that TV is a niche, but a niche that is actually picked up and used by thousands of small to large companies and individuals from Oprah and Russia Today to BMW, MERCEDES-BENZ and TESCO.

 

[snoop]

I'm new to domaining so don't all jump on me :P

I've been wondering, why are people selling their one word .TV domain names now rather than waiting a few years? I think .TV domains will be worth so much more in the future, even more if developed. Wouldn't it be like selling a one word .com way back when they were just becoming popular?

The key points, which I hope you can see,

"I'm new to domaining"......."I think .TV domains will be worth so much more in the future, even more if developed. "

Everyone new to this extension has been saying much the same thing for at least 10 years.

Over that 10 years,

-Nobody has really made anything substantial from what I can see of it (cue comments about the meaning of substantial and people saying $10,000 is a lot of money if you happen to live in India),

-A handful have scraped a living (cue comments about the average wage in China being 5 cents a day)

-The vast majority have lost their shirts (cue comments where people ask for evidence and scientific reports to back this up this "wild claim") *

* Hint: look at the weekly review thread re dropped domains and the number of people who were posting about .tv here in 2004 who have now vanished into the ether, plus all those who lost boatloads on premium names and now think they'll do better under the new system.

 

[equity78]

The only problem with that analysis Snoop is it can be said of any extension.

.TV is not an extension to make millions,but for you to say no one has made anything substantial. There are many here apart of this sub forum who have made six figures selling .tv. And again for everyone here, its not their job, its extra income. That is the key point you always seem to ignore, possibly on purpose.

In the aggregate a lot more people have lost their shirt in .com with 40,000 pieces of crap dropping every day. Outside of what Fin claimed I am yet to meet the .tvers who lost their shirt.

Let's look at your purchase of Dogs.net and Cats.net for $75,000 one of the worst purchases in the history of domaining IMO.

 

[Vito]

now[/B] rather than waiting a few years? I think .TV domains will be worth so much more in the future, even more if developed. Wouldn't it be like selling a one word .com way back when they were just becoming popular?

Hey DD,

Some of us have an extensive inventory and have been selling an awful lot of great domains at some pretty awesome prices in order to re-invest in some more expensive premium domains.

No one here is looking backwards.

Stay confident in whatever your .tv plans and you do very well.

Take Care,
Vito

 

[snoop]

The only problem with that analysis Snoop is it can be said of any extension.

.TV is not an extension to make millions,but for you to say no one has made anything substantial. There are many here apart of this sub forum who have made six figures selling .tv. And again for everyone here, its not their job, its extra income. That is the key point you always seem to ignore, possibly on purpose.

The fact that it isn't anyone's job isn't a good sign.

As I said very few are making a living from .tv, that isn't through choice.

You call it "extra income", some polite people might call it a "hobby", I'd call .tv domaining "losing money" for the most part.

In the aggregate a lot more people have lost their shirt in .com with 40,000 pieces of crap dropping every day. Outside of what Fin claimed I am yet to meet the .tvers who lost their shirt.

Let's look at your purchase of Dogs.net and Cats.net for $75,000 one of the worst purchases in the history of domaining IMO.

We've been through this a dozen times, the market is far bigger. Some people have made a lot of money in .com, that isn't true for .tv.

Regard meeting .tv'ers who have lost there shirt, where do you hope to meet them?

It is a bit like going to the casino and hoping to meet all the people who talk about losing their shirts gambling.

The people who will admit it are the people who have left the industry, and people who won't admit it are the people still in it. Fin is a rare exception, someone who admits they have lost their shirt and still invests in it.