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@Intelliname has engaged the battle with the Wikipedia handlers who have been camping on a Wikipedia article about Epik that is full of nonsense narrative.

You can follow the debate here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Intelliname#April_2020

Bring popcorn but do it quick because they will probably censor this too.

Take lots of screenshots.

Here's a start:


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It's not locked, just protected. You can edit it if you register an account. I see the Edit link when logged in, but not when logged out.



They don't censor talk pages unless they get vandalized or contain something blatantly illegal. If one person tries to remove or modify content on another person's talk page, they'll get in trouble. Your userspace is sort of your own little Wikipedia where you can do (almost) whatever you want.



There are a lot of tools on Wikipedia that allow anyone to view anything "suspicious", like when a lot of content has been removed from an article. Contributors watch the list, and when they see something suspect, they hit a button to roll it back:

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If your article is unfair or biased, you can change it, but you need to play by their rules of etiquette. They don't like it when people go in and remove stuff. There's a whole collaborative process for correcting biased articles. It's a bit like a courtroom; regardless of whether you're right, if you don't follow the procedures to the letter, you're going to wind up in a jail cell.

If you barge in there and start deleting large amounts of content with a brand new account, they're not even going to look into why you did it or what you deleted--it blends in with all the vandalism, and their backlog is too long to worry about the specifics.



There's a procedure for doing that; if you follow the procedure, they'll take it seriously. Otherwise, they're just going to keep showing you the door and increasing the protection on the page. For example, they're generally not going to read the replies on your talk page. You wrote a long reply there, but that page is meant for messages to you, not from you. Your replies would typically go on the other person's talk page.

Thanks Paul.

Why don't you prove that with a balanced narrative. See if it stands for 24 hours. I'll wait.
 
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@Paul Buonopane

I tried to get you a backlink from Wikipedia but apparently NP is not worthy:

Molly sure seems to be one smart and articulate individual!

I don't understand all the fuss. She's only asking you to follow the rules.

Now, if Molly deems @equity78 of TLDInvestors.com an unreliable source. I will send her a respectful message asking her to reconsider. As to me, in my opinion, @equity78 is one of the more knowledgeable independent sources the domain industry has. Nonetheless, if her reasoning was sufficient, I would either accept the answer, or appeal to another moderator, for a second opinion, or whatever other recourse wikipedia offers.
 
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Molly sure is one smart and articulate individual.

I don't understand all the fuss. She's only asking you to follow the rules.



Thanks @Grilled.

I don't think she is as smart as you. In fact, I am not even sure she is using a real identity, or for that matter the rest of the chain of command of that operation that has now been revealed at least in part.

Since I know you are real, and smart, maybe you can figure out how to navigate her hoops and edit her Wiki article. Apparently @Paul Buonopane could not figure it out.
 
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Thanks @Grilled.

I don't think she is as smart as you. In fact, I am not even sure she is using a real identity, or for that matter the rest of the chain of command of that operation that has now been revealed at least in part.

Since I know you are real, and smart, maybe you can figure out how to navigate her hoops and edit her Wiki article. Apparently @Paul Buonopane could not figure it out.

Which wiki article do you need edited in particular?
The Epik article or yours -- or both?
 
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@Rob Monster @NameShiba

Do you guys think before you post? It's almost comical. She's obviously reading this thread, so you guys think it's wise to talk in public about how to get around her? All you did today is pretty much make the lock on those pages even bigger.
 
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"I would submit again - a group of individuals have curated and helped create a narrative to build a profile around Epik Holdings, Inc, with the intent of crafting information that portrays them as racists and Neo-Nazis. "

Rob, whoever is creating this
false narrative clearly has some undisclosed financial ties with a competitor
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I am most certainly bringing the popcorn and hot cocoa.


Don't let them get you down.

Thanks @NameShiba.

It is somewhat notable that in spite of that weaponized nonsense appearing on Google for much of 2019, we still managed to double the business in 2019, complete 4 acquisitions and incubate 6 new brands in Epik Labs -- all with almost no outside capital.

Imagine what could have been in 2019 and early 2020 without having our hands tied behind our backs with weaponized media narratives designed to impede our ability to access to conventional capital markets to funds accelerated growth, and give more people access to interest-free loans and domain promos 24/7.

ICYMI, this is some crazy stuff and Google goes along with it:

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Which wiki article do you need edited in particular?
The Epik article or yours -- or both?

Both are nonsense. Good luck. Follow the rules. See how far you get.
 
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Both are nonsense. Good luck. Follow the rules. See how far you get.

I have some friends in Wikipedia proper.

I'll throw a line for an impartial review.
 
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Thanks @Grilled.

I don't think she is as smart as you. In fact, I am not even sure she is using a real identity, or for that matter the rest of the chain of command of that operation that has now been revealed at least in part.

I appreciate the compliment, though I respectfully disagree. Maybe I hold too much trust in Wikipedia. But I believe, well guessing, by the way Molly presents herself online, in her responses, that she is indeed as smart, if not smarter than I. And even then, I don't think it's about being smart, as opposed to other human aspects.

Since I know you are real, and smart, maybe you can figure out how to navigate her hoops and edit her Wiki article.

I don't have much, if any, experience editing wikipedia articles. And with this being an issue that supposedly reaches the likes of George Soros, I'm not sure how qualified, or knowledgeable my opinion will be. I think, this is why Wikipedia has a publishing process centered around citing information.

Any friction that you, or @Intelliname were facing on Wikipedia, was likely rooted to similar issues you/epik has encountered on nP. The feeling that some of yours, or epik affiliated members, were more marketing statements, or an influenced marketing opinion, rather than being a unbiased opinion, or fact. I hope Molly sees TLDInvestors as independent, the only friction I see, might lie with intellinames long comments on TLDInvestors, that definitely read like he is connected to epik in more fashion than just a customer. For somebody who claims to fight larger media narratives, I'm honestly dumbfounded how you, or intelliname, don't see how it (the marketing narrative it appears epik pushes) may look to the general public. e.g. continually calling out GoDaddy... why? Because they are the biggest? Because, to the general public, Epiks greatest claim to fame was when they stepped in to house Gab when GoDaddy gave them the boot? Still chasing the business from the far right no matter the cost?

Apparently @Paul Buonopane could not figure it out.

I didn't think your request to Paul was serious. Seeing how it sounded condescending.

But as I can see this is an issue for you, with possible negative implications for epik customers (specifically to those using epik landing pages), I will try to mustard up "whatever it is that it takes to reach out to people" and see if I can't edit EPIKs wikipedia article. Not sure why you think calling it her article will help.

Perhaps you, intelliname, or another epik staff member (heck, even other nP members/epik customers) can post here, what they'd like to see changed. As the forum as a whole, is a much greater source than just I. If you post here, things you think should be added or changed, namePros members might help validate/invalidate your requests, and as such, it would give me (or another requester) a baseline of an understanding of what you want articulated in the wikipedia article. Hoping you realize wikipedia entries aren't designed to be a marketing, or advertising medium, and will keep your expectations reasonable.

If it were solely up to me, I would certainly add some of the good epik is doing, or has done. Though, I would be fair, and I would add things such as warehousing, and other area's that might not shine a positive light on epik. However, it's not up to me. It's apparently up to citable sources. Some of which may be easier to find/validate than others. It's not a perfect process. But it's their process. That may be an unfortunate reality to you. I invite you to keep doing good things to be reported on, then we'll have more to cite. GoDaddy forwarded Coronavirus.com to the WHO, and banned similar domains from being sold on their marketplace. I don't care if that's positive or negative, that appears to be the facts. Whereas Epik took a different stance, to allow these type of domains to be sold. Again, I don't care if it's right or wrong. This is just citable verifiable instances.
 
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As I was doing something else I got a couple texts asking me if I was watching this on Twitter? No I wasn't, but I did reply to Molly, she seemed to think that because I started the poll I am in some way affiliated, I explained the situation to her and told her I understand she has to do what she has to do.

She did admit to not being too versed on registrars.

Molly wrote:

Gotcha. I'm not super familiar with the world of domain registrars (bit of a niche) so it's helpful to have this context. When someone unaffiliated does write about the poll, feel free to drop me a line and I'll add it to the article myself.


I don't think the New York Times or Wall St Journal will be covering a Namepros poll so it is what it is.

Take care
 
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As I was doing something else I got a couple texts asking me if I was watching this on Twitter? No I wasn't, but I did reply to Molly, she seemed to think that because I started the poll I am in some way affiliated, I explained the situation to her and told her I understand she has to do what she has to do.

She did admit to not being too versed on registrars.

Molly wrote:

Gotcha. I'm not super familiar with the world of domain registrars (bit of a niche) so it's helpful to have this context. When someone unaffiliated does write about the poll, feel free to drop me a line and I'll add it to the article myself.


I don't think the New York Times or Wall St Journal will be covering a Namepros poll so it is what it is.

Take care

Molly -- in case you're reading this. Not that I assume you don't know this, but just in case you don't, know you are very much welcome to create a free namePros account. Please know, you will be welcomed here by some, I can't speak for all, but contrary to what your experience, or opinion of domain investors, may be, I think you will find this place a wealth of information. Overtime, you may reach a conclusion I have reached, that @equity78 and TLDinvestors.com is as fair as it gets in the domain world. I know, saying in the domain world, might not bear much weight to those who only think of domainers as cybersquatters. Earlier on, partly due to the nature of the business, and more so due to a misunderstanding, I had erroneously reached a suspicion that TLDInvestors was biased towards an area that it just happened to be me not having a full understanding. Perhaps, over more time at namePros, you will come to find/see the difference. Nonetheless, I understand why you may feel more comfortable conversing on mediums such as Twitter/Wikipedia. Maybe I will reach out to you via Twitter, though nP is my comfort zone, and I'd welcome you here. Just wanted to say, if we don't end up connecting, that I applaud your strong independent thinking, and eagerness to stay fair and neutral. Me being fair to epik, while still acknowledging their past, I think wikipedia might find some room to edit Epiks entry, especially if those editing find a way to follow the editing rules. Epik is known for their history with Gab. But they are also known for other things not mentioned in the wikipedia entry, some good, some bad.
 
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You know I understand exactly what's happening here. ;) Carry on; it's none of my business.


A tip for everyone involved.

Do not be on a VPN when editing Wikipedia articles.

You will look like you are -banned- or unable to provide edits to an article.
 
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@ NamePros Community

I recently opened a discussion on Epik's Wikipedia Talk Page


@@@Remember to read the entire talk page prior to comment submission.@@@

It included a proposal of changing the header for Epik's Wikipedia article.

To weigh your thoughts in -- please follow the format below.

  • Create or log-in to your Wikipedia Account
  • Click [ Edit ] from the proposal talk page listing
  • Go to the bottom of the page and write [ Support / Oppose ] and bold it at the beginning of the discussion
  • Keep it civil, put your thoughts and opinions about the revision or stance of the current state of the article.
  • Make sure you add a " ~~~~ " at the end to sign the comment for etiquette
  • Make sure you have your vote in BOLD. :)
  • Hit save!
Cheers,
-Shiba
 
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