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Epik Fights Paypal

Located in Domain Registrar Reviews, started by labrocca, Oct 26, 2020

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  1. Grilled

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    Doubtful.

    The case was dismissed months ago. And it's not that hard, especially for a domain registrar, to facilitate a domain transfer.

    This delinquency is likely due to some other epik oversight.
     
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  2. karmaco

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    Its not over politics. It is claimed for obfuscation sake to be over politics. Did you ever notice Epik is never ever to blame for anything and plays the perpetual victim over and over again every single time? Those of us with discerning minds and not blind loyalty have noticed it.

    What Epik needs and does not seem capable of is a calm public figure not prone to rants, tantrums and crazy talk. Their wacko reponse to things is half the problem.

    Fix the website, fix the non domainer friendly things that have been pointed out repeatedly and ignored and stop playing victim.
     
  3. lock

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    I can't name a merchant service that hasn't done the same. Every merchant processor will take the money an run every chance.
     
  4. RozasMD

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    Oh, the moral superiority card. Isn't it lovely when it finally appears?

    Always the same pattern. I state my point, based in an obvious ethic and moral superiority, and there's nothing else I need to discuss. And I don't need to listen to any different point of view, you dumb, immoral creatures.

    As someone wrote on this thread... 'Haven't you ever had friends like that? Where the world is always doing them wrong, and it's no fault of their own? I don't know about you, but I get sick of those people pretty quickly.'

    One has to love the irony.
     
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  6. blogspotter

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    I prefer Monero :)
    Or Loki
     
  7. Samer

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    Epik AHEAD time with digital currency;
    epik accepted crypto before “big news” Paypal

    It looks bad from Paypal’s side;
    Could ugly since PP’s Public. Make amends

    Samer
     
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  8. Joe Nichols

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    I think you need to check the definition of irony.

    Your post would be amusing if I hadn't already discussed for several posts before this one. Are you cherry-picking or did you just not bother reading more than this?
     
  9. Silentptnr

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    I'm noticing that for domain names, PP is starting to use a seller approval after 48 hrs. Meaning they are holding funds up from a seller until the buyer goes back into PP and confirms receiving the domain name. I saw this the first time a couple of days ago. I bought a domain and the seller asked me to go back into PP in 48 hrs to approve the release of payment. First time I had seen it.
     
  10. koolishman

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    This is a good thing, right?
     
  11. Silentptnr

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    I think I speak for many that wish only future success to Epik. To me, paypal never defined Epik. Don't let it now. I know it must be hard, but I truly think all these issues are distractions. Don't be so easily sucked in! This unfortunate event should be a wake up call for Epik to close a hole in the ship. Make sure that there is redundancy in payment processors. Stay focused, perfect your registrar, listen to your customers feedback.

    As to the far right sites...simply pointing out that all registrars and hosts have controversial domains and content educates the uneducated as it relates to domain name registrars. That's all that needs to be said. It puts a cap on it.

    Avoid all of these distractions. Some will love Epik, some won't love Epik. It shouldn't change your goal nor should it take time and resources away from becoming a fantastic registrar. There are small registrars that came along after Epik that are doing great things. Don't let them pass you by. Get back to focus. Study your competition and stay out of a bubble. Keep your eyes and ears on your industry and Make Epik Great Again. :)
     
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  12. blogspotter

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    Just wanted to Add this:
    Paypal is very very suck. Paypal needs to be brought down from their high horse and monopoly.

    But I don't like Epik courting controversy Actively. Sometimes their actions seem rash and risky to the hundreds of thousands of users trusting them with their digital assets.

    I like digital innovations and I love Epik for being ahead of the curve, but they just need to let their good product and service do the talking and if they want publicity, it should be for the good things they are doing.

    It doesn't behoove them to constantly get into Mud Wrestling.

    I would rather they keep their head down and let their good service do the talking.

    Please keep on doing the good work and please stop getting distracted.

    I hate Paypal, and I love Epik. But Paypal was simply doing what they have been doing for 2 decades. Could have been more professionally and silently dealt with, instead of what happened
     
  13. koolishman

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    Well put!

    @Rob Monster
     
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  14. biggie

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    Hi

    this is prolly the most accurate statement, that applies to the issue.
    as if Epik didn't need PP, then they would have adapted or adopted other means.

    this isolates them from the pack for sure, regardless to and irrespective of, any political affiliations.

    sure, all those who are attached emotionally, might stay, but new customers who can/have used PP at other registrars.....won't like the inconvenience.

    the whole scene is a turn-off, and this registrar has failed time and time again, to rise to or maintain a level of professionalism in their actions and responses.
    no wonder it's hard for even this forum to achieve such.

    with more than 20 reps on this forum, they clearly have a monopoly over a captive audience, here on NP.

    their voices speak to and in the ears of the naïve and gullible, while the voices of reason, common sense and logic are overshadowed by trolling flag wavers, who constantly fill threads with non-sensical posts, untruths and misdirection attempts to distort facts from fiction.

    they praise members like @jberryhill , when he defends a domainers rights, but cast doubts on that same intelligence, when he continues to seek answers from their favorite registrar.

    as domainers, we shouldn't be caught-up in the issues of a registrar and be so emotionally attached, that it blinds the mind, to see the facts.

    bridges are being burnt.... don't get isolated

    puff, puff...

    imo....
     
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  15. RogueWriter

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    Just poking my head into this thread for a minute, then quickly leaving.

    On the one hand, I felt like namepros was becoming an epik spam fest, with every thread being turned into how epik is the obvious solution for whatever is being mentioned in the thread. After being frustrated with what I felt was namepros lack of response to my concerns, I left for several months to cool down. When I chose to come back, I put several people on ignore. Maybe not the best thing to do, because you miss out on some content. However, my experience this time around at namepros is much more peaceful and relatively 'spam' free.

    That does not mean that I agreed at all with the mods in this forum, I still think they treat some people with more tolerance than others, even where they place threads.

    But that does not mean that I don't find Namepros incredibly useful and informative. On the contrary, there is not a day goes by that I do not learn something new here - and I've been dropping by for fifteen years.

    Similarly, I may think Epik gets spammy, and I may get a little frustrated with them here on np, but I have always had tremendous service from them, great responses and I trust them. Whether you agree with Rob or not, if you put a question out there he always answers.

    IMO, this paypal thing is a blip, there will be workarounds that people can live with.
     
  16. labrocca

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    Maybe you remember when Moniker was starting off and there was sort of that same vibe. Sadly Moniker got sold off to a conglomerate and that small business feel went away. The Uniregistry popped up, same thing for a while. They sold to Godaddy ironically. As domainers in our environment discussing our favorite registrar is just par for the course.

    I'm an Epik customer. I reached out to Rob after my own domain at Uniregistry was kicked after the Godaddy sale. My domain is controversial and I needed a registrar that believed in my freedoms. The last thing I need is Epik to get hurt in any ways. They support me, so I support them. And Paypal has been my adversary for a long time. I had to make this thread.

    IMHO the monopoly of Paypal needs to be broken or their practice of suspended accounts with business they don't like needs to end. My best hope is that crypto crushes them for online payments.
     
  17. Pairadice

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    Epik does have some of the best functionality in the domaining world, which is probably another reason why a lot of people post about them on here...
     
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  18. RozasMD

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    I do not. Maybe it's you who needs to. You talk about those people who think everyone else is doing wrong except themselves. Then you give exactly zero reasons apart from your own personal moral point of view. But hey, enough to say they're doing wrong. Full stop.

    I've read all your posts before the one I quote. Exactly zero reasons apart from your own personal moral point of view about it. I mean, unless you consider enough reason to say that Paypal is right and Epik is wrong that Epik has had previous issues with some other companies. Should we consider that enough? Because as far as I've read you haven't even mentioned how Epik was wrong in those previous cases.

    They've even shown you -with figures- how Epik is being treated differently from other registrars regarding those 'undesirable websites'. But I guess that's irrelevant.

    Ok, you don't like Epik. That's fair. Everyone has his own opinion on companies and everyone else. I'm not discussing that. I'm pointing to your way of finishing the conversation.

    Nevermind, it's the most common way of discussing today. 'I'm superior, if you disagree with me I don't need to listen to you. My moral point of view is the only acceptable here'. In my opinion that approach to disagreements makes impossible to come to a solution to anything and is literally slowly killing our societies.

    But hey, that's just my opinion. Wihich is obviously wrong as it's opposed to yours, so you can just disregard it.

    Have a great, socially just day.
     
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  19. Joe Nichols

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    You're right, I have no idea who's right and who's wrong. I never claimed to know, or to have an opinion about it. Maybe Epik is very hard done by and discriminated against, and they're the only ones brave enough to fight the man. I don't really care.

    What I do care about is Epik's general tendency to be at the centre of conflict far more than any other registrar; and to use free speech as an excuse for supporting the type of behaviour that actually is slowly killing our societies. Those are things that speak to their character as a company, and are far more important to me than how they have been treated by Paypal.

    Say what you want about how I express my opinions here, but I never attack or insult members who didn't personally provoke me (and even then it's rare). Your initial response to me was pretty disrespectful and rude. If that's how you conduct yourself here then I definitely will be doing as you suggest and disregarding your posts from here on.
     
  20. RozasMD

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    Well, you never attack any member as long as you don't consider Rob or any of the Epik staff people who are in fact NPers as members. Don't you think so?

    See, all of your position here is in fact personal. It has to do with what you suppose are Rob's or Epik managing team's ideas and political points of view. That's all that lies beneath.

    And when someone (me) points this, then you feel offended and insulted. If you quote all the insults I've supposedly adressed at you I will apologize for all and each of them. You've got my word. There's nothing remotely similar to an insult in any of my posts in this forum.

    I haven't insulted you in any way. I've pointed what I consider a hypocritical approach to the issue. Sorry if you feel attacked and insulted just by opposing ideas.

    On my side, over and out. Peace.
     
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  21. MapleDots

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    Nice to see you guys getting along

    But on topic, it continues to amaze me the amount of controversy, emotion, debate, discussion, whatever you want to call it that comes up with anything to do with Epik.

    Such a fine forward thinking company, yet also a company that is its own worst enemy.
    Almost all situations the company has found itself in to date could have been handled internally and off public forums. In fact it all should have been handled internally with maybe a short well worded statement publically.

    This paypal scenario is indicative of an all too familiar pattern.

    Epik invests in so many new technologies and is super adaptive at coming up with new ideas and services.
    Before putting out another service I would highly recommend they hire a public relations spokesperson. Someone articulate, someone that is neutral, non offensive, and someone that knows saying nothing is sometimes better than saying too much.
     
  22. Joe Nichols

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    I never attack Epik or Rob. He's an active and valuable member of the NP community. I simply express my displeasure and disagreement with some of Epik's business practices.

    Your initial response to me was sarcastic and mocking. In my view that's disrespectful and unnecessary. If you feel differently, that's fine, I just won't be replying to many of your posts.

    Take care.
     
  23. labrocca

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    First time Paypal suspended me I fought it like hell. Got unsuspended after much effort and legal actions. Within a year, I got suspended again and just decided it wasn't worth the fight.

    You do you have to tell your customers that you've lost Paypal. It's a bit embarrassing for a company. Even worse if you don't believe you've violated any direct policy and they are picking on you.

    But I see from this thread that Epik has gotten into a fair share of scuffles. I'm not sure what to make of it. I can see how it might be annoying if you've been exposed to the trend for a long time. I'm unsure if Epik picks fights or its just willing to go against the grain so much so that the established parties pick on them.

    What I do know, is that as an Epik customer, I have been happy with their level of service they have provided me.
     
  24. biggie

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    Hi

    i know you've been around for long time and for majority of domainers', paypal has been the #1 payment processor for this industry since i started.
    on forums, we could send and receive thousands of dollars to other domainers with confidence, that the transactions would be concluded.

    now, let's say, you didn't get your account suspended, would you still have same perspective?

    since i've been domaining, never had my account suspended and there are so many others who haven't had theirs suspended either.

    i'm not going to ask, why, it happened to you in the past,
    but because it happened,
    doesn't equate why it happened to you, with why it is an issue today with this registrar.

    the same ramifications you experienced, by having to tell your customers that PP is no longer an option, is same thing that they have to do now.

    and that.... to me, is the question that hasn't been answered sufficiently.

    i like using PP and i have domains there
    as with other registrars, i plan to use PP to fund those accounts.
    when that option is no longer available, then i have to make changes to the plan.
    which were caused by the registrar... and since i'm a customer, i deserve answer.

    other than, they picking on us.

    puff..... puff..... ahhhh


    imo....
     
  25. RogueWriter

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    I won't go into detail, but an expensive item damaged in shipping by the freight company and a cantankerous customer cost me thousands because of PayPal's reactions. Completely blind sided me. So, I have a tendency to believe people who gripe about PayPal.
     

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