Environmentalists Admit Being Wrong for 40 Years over Nuclear Power

[staffjam]

Interesting article about how Environmentalists are now saying Nuclear is okay:

After 40 years of bitter opposition Environmentalists concede that Nuclear Power is essential to avert further harm from Global Warming. The Nuclear Industry has felt itself vilified, constrained and damaged by the ceaseless and sometimes pathological opposition of the environmental movement, this changing attitude is manna from on high.

Although very little happened, Nov. 24 was a red letter day for the nation's nuclear power industry. No new nuclear reactors were purchased, no breakthrough in treating nuclear waste was announced, and the Obama administration did not declare that it would pay for new reactors.

Instead, the source of the industry's happiness was The Washington Post leading Page One with an article that detailed how the environmental movement, after 40 years of opposition, now concedes that nuclear power will play a role in averting further harm from global warming.

Read the full article at: Environmentalists Admit Being Wrong for 40 Years - Shackles of Nuclear Power Being Removed

 

[Domainace]

If you ever wondered where all the Marxists went, take a look at the "environmentalist" movement. There was a time when everyone was an environmentalist, before the name was hijacked by people whose gut instinct is to find ways to bring down business.

A reminder about the anti-nuclear movement:

1- There were massive demonstrations, warning us of massive disaster.
2- Anyone in support of nuclear power was an idiot, or on the payroll of energy companies.
3- Anti- nuke people were "pro-environent." Pro-nuke people were "anti-environment." And probably illiterate rednecks, too. (pre-Fox)
4- Most important of all is this: This anti-nuclear movement cost the US untold billions of $$ in lost profits, lost jobs and left us exposed to the whims of backwards dictators.

But, forget about all that now. It never happened, and it will all be forgotten after the next TV commercial. Look at this nice shiny object called global warming....

 

[TestCase]

...4- Most important of all is this: This anti-nuclear movement cost the US untold billions of $$ in lost profits, lost jobs and left us exposed to the whims of backwards dictators...

But then again, as a result of the anti-nuclear movement, I would venture a guess that we have a much safer nuclear program now than we would have had had everyone just rolled over from the get go and acquiesced to what the nuclear power industry would have like to have done. Personally, I MUCH prefer the idea of "safer" rather than cheaper nuclear energy.

As with most arguments for or against a given topic/problem, the "right/best" answer is usually somewhere in the middle of the extremes...

 

[dna]

When are they going to admit to being wrong about global warming?
Will we have to wait another 40 years?

 

[dtagr]

They aren't wrong about global warming - just the cause.

 

[RogueWriter]

But then again, as a result of the anti-nuclear movement, I would venture a guess that we have a much safer nuclear program now than we would have had had everyone just rolled over from the get go and acquiesced to what the nuclear power industry would have like to have done.

As most of the builders and workers would be radiated and die horribly in the event of a meltdown, along with all of their friends and families, I doubt it.

Extremists were not satisfied with making things 'safer', there simply was no such thing as a safe nuclear reactor, in their opinions.

If we had been building nuclear power plants steadily over the last 40 years, think about all of the energy we would have right now.

In fact, think about what spending a trillion dollars to build nuclear plants could have done for stimlating the economy, instead of doling out billions of dollars to pork barrel projects, such as dog parks, pig odor research, temporary governmental jobs, etc.

As for global warming, we had our coldest summer in decades here, and in fact there is snow on the ground outside my window; I sincerely doubt any such research that presumes to encumber all of the potential influences on their data.

 

[andr69]

The thing is global warming isn't only a prosess of making the climate warmer every year, that's the "shift" of seasons, when you see green leaves on the trees in winter and snow in the end of spring...

 

[labrocca]

When are they going to admit to being wrong about global warming?
Will we have to wait another 40 years?

Exactly. I been debating this on forums for years now including my own political forums Debateful.com. And for those that do believe in Global Warming...we are talking about 2 degrees! For heavens sake that's ludicrous to believe such alarm over such a small fluctuation.

It's stupid to believe humans can actually terraform the Earth by burning some fossil fuel. Anyone that knows history in the millions of years instead of 2 decades can see that the Earth is volitile and changes occur without humans. Heck at one point the entire planet had one giant continent Pangaea 600 million years ago. This was well before humans even existed. This planet is more likely to get hit by a meteor an explode than 2 degrees destroying all of humanity. The worst is some coastlines will get destroyed.

Bah...as for Nuclear Power. Just keep the plants as far away from cities and water sources and I have no problems with it. It's probably one of the safest energies we have on the planet. In 100 years I bet we have them all over the place running just about all the energy.

 

[TestCase]

So many smart people, so little "big picture/long-term" perspective, understanding and concern for current & future generations of fauna, flora and humanity.

just shakes head...

 

[cityforums.com]

What does all this have to do with domains ?

Domain just sold for over 10K

CLIMATEGATE | Global warming, history's biggest scam

 

[RogueWriter]

So many smart people, so little "big picture/long-term" perspective, understanding and concern for current & future generations of fauna, flora and humanity.

just shakes head...

TestCase, one of the things that turns people off about the supposed 'environmentalist' point of view is the holier-than-thou, you-can't-possibly-understand-the-big-picture attitude so many of them arrogantly flaunt.

It is that assumption that we could not possibly know what is good for us that will end up alienating the majority of the environmentalists from reality.

The other thing that needs to be understood is that the environmental movement as a whole is being driven by far left liberal/socialist points of view. Conservatives want 'fauna and flora', they just aren't so gullible as to believe that handing over their freedom to the government will accomplish anything remotely close to what environmentalist's assume will occur.

 

[TestCase]

Hmmm, you know...

One of the things that turns people off about the supposed 'conservative' point of view is the holier-than-thou, global-warming-isn't-happening or global-warming-is-real-but-society-has-no-effect-on-it attitude so many of them arrogantly flaunt.

It is that assumption that we need energy "NOW!" and what we do now has no long term effect on the world as a whole, is what separates the majority of the disbelieving conservatives from reality.

The other thing that needs to be understood is that the "pro-energy" movement as a whole is being driven by far right conservative/pro-business points of view where any degree of control/oversight is always bad. Liberals want 'vibrant, growing economies' too, they just aren't so gullible as to believe that allowing self-regulation by big business/energy companies will accomplish anything remotely close to safe, responsibly managed production and control with minimal environmental impact.

Let me repeat something I said earlier...

As with most arguments for or against a given topic/problem, the "right/best" answer is usually somewhere in the middle of the extremes...

 

[frednurk]

Global warming - FACT
Denial by IDIOT Americans = SAD
Nuclear Power - Never will be a solution.

 

[RogueWriter]

Liberals want 'vibrant, growing economies' too, they just aren't so gullible as to believe that allowing self-regulation by big business/energy companies will accomplish anything remotely close to safe, responsibly managed production and control with minimal environmental impact.

No, liberals want the government to take money from others and give it to the causes that Liberals believe in. Conservatives believe everyone should keep what they earn, and donate to the specific causes that each individual believes in.

Given that termites emit 10x the amount of CO2 that all autos and manufacturing facilities in the world produce, maybe we should just go on a termite killing rampage.

 

[dtagr]

No, liberals want the government to take money from others and give it to the causes that Liberals believe in. Conservatives believe everyone should keep what they earn, and donate to the specific causes that each individual believes in.

Given that termites emit 10x the amount of CO2 that all autos and manufacturing facilities in the world produce, maybe we should just go on a termite killing rampage.

No, conservatives want to take hard earned tax dollars and give it to non-performing companies who truly deserve bankruptcy for building crappy cars and gambling on mortgage options and whose executives offer board positions to retiring politicians,politicians spouses and children of politicians.

The motto is something like "Keep what you earn until our buddies **** up their companies, we'll just let your children pay for it. Problem solved.":imho:

As far as global warming being real or not...well there's over 300,000 North Americans whose homes are in danger from rising water and melting permafrost.

 

[RogueWriter]

As far as global warming being real or not...well there's over 300,000 North Americans whose homes are in danger from rising water and melting permafrost.

Let me know when you get that solar flare ray gun grant developed, I'm sure the President will slide another trillion your way for research.

 

[labrocca]

It is that assumption that we need energy "NOW!" and what we do now has no long term effect on the world as a whole, is what separates the majority of the disbelieving conservatives from reality.

Go turn off your computer, clocks,and lights for a week. If you can even do that then I'll believe you it's a conservative problem.

 

[dtagr]

Let me know when you get that solar flare ray gun grant developed, I'm sure the President will slide another trillion your way for research.

Hmm... Let's see, I'll offer Dick Cheney,Donald Rumsfeld,Ann Coulter,and Gerald Ford board seats. One solar flare ray gun grant forthcoming, lol.:p

 

[RogueWriter]

I am sure Cheney would want one mounted on a satellite though, as compared to hand held, heh.