Ebay for domains

[ArielT]

Hello, I haven't used Ebay yet, but I'll start using it soon, my doubt is: are the dealings sure or there is some thing to be cautious of?

In buying and selling

 

[RazorNF]

Not recommended. There are lots of ebay horror stories when it comes to domains.

Intangibles are afforded very little protection.

One example is how easy it is for the buyer to claim non receipt of the domain after you transfer it to them.

 

[ArielT]

Thanks for your reply RazorNF, but then if the buyer claim didn't receive the domain is refunded?

And how about buying from top reated sellers?

 

[Atomic Domains]

Not recommended. There are lots of ebay horror stories when it comes to domains.

Intangibles are afforded very little protection.

One example is how easy it is for the buyer to claim non receipt of the domain after you transfer it to them.

Well if the buyer did that, they would not get refunded by PayPal. PayPal does not allow refunds on intangible goods. So as a seller you are in the clear. But, as a buyer eBay and using PayPal in general is a big risk.

 

[snowbird]

As already mentioned, the problem with selling names on ebay is that you can transfer ownership over to the new person and they can still deny that they received it. So it is potentially possible that you could end up without payment and without the domain. If you are buying domains however, then things are moreso in your favor regarding the transaction. Either way, be careful when using ebay when dealing with non tangible items. Make sure you check the reputation of the person you are dealing with and make sure you are comfortable with what you see. As far as Ebay goes, all I can say is proceed with caution.

If you want to sell on ebay, you could look into utilizing an escrow service as part of the transaction process. Mention clearly in the listing that payment is to be made using the escrow service and that you will mark their invoice as paid on ebay. That way the escrow service will make sure the buyer gets the domain and the seller gets their money. Then the escrow service can vouch that the domain was in fact delivered to the buyer. You can check out escrow.com to find out how their process works.

 

[ArielT]

As already mentioned, the problem with selling names on ebay is that you can transfer ownership over to the new person and they can still deny that they received it. So it is potentially possible that you could end up without payment and without the domain. If you are buying domains however, then things are moreso in your favor regarding the transaction. Either way, be careful when using ebay when dealing with non tangible items. Make sure you check the reputation of the person you are dealing with and make sure you are comfortable with what you see. As far as Ebay goes, all I can say is proceed with caution.

If you want to sell on ebay, you could look into utilizing an escrow service as part of the transaction process. Mention clearly in the listing that payment is to be made using the escrow service and that you will mark their invoice as paid on ebay. That way the escrow service will make sure the buyer gets the domain and the seller gets their money. Then the escrow service can vouch that the domain was in fact delivered to the buyer. You can check out escrow.com to find out how their process works.

Thanks for your reply snowbird, and if you don't bother I have a question.

As a seller, what about transfering the domain after receiving the payment?

 

[snowbird]

Thanks for your reply snowbird, and if you don't bother I have a question.

As a seller, what about transfering the domain after receiving the payment?

I would still take a look at using escrow.com as a supplement to selling on ebay. As a seller, yes you can transfer the domain after getting payment. But what happens if the buyer says they never got the domain after you sent it to them? They can file a dispute and then ebay/paypal will then ask you for proof that the customer was given the item. So your issue will be proving the non tangible item was delivered which I just mentioned earlier. If you have no way of proving the item was delivered, it could be possible that ebay/paypal will rule in favor of the buyer and you will end up without payment and without the domain. Modification of the whois record would be an indication that the domain was transferred to the new owner. But if they end up using some kind of whois privacy protection service, than that will make it difficult to prove your case.

 

[ArielT]

I would still take a look at using escrow.com as a supplement to selling on ebay. As a seller, yes you can transfer the domain after getting payment. But what happens if the buyer says they never got the domain after you sent it to them? They can file a dispute and then ebay/paypal will then ask you for proof that the customer was given the item. So your issue will be proving the non tangible item was delivered which I just mentioned earlier. If you have no way of proving the item was delivered, it could be possible that ebay/paypal will rule in favor of the buyer and you will end up without payment and without the domain. Modification of the whois record would be an indication that the domain was transferred to the new owner. But if they end up using some kind of whois privacy protection service, than that will make it difficult to prove your case.

Ah ok snowbird, very appreciated your help

My question was motivated for what TheChamp said that PayPal does not allow refunds on intangible goods

 

[NetOctave]

Ebay only for buying names. Buy from reputed sellers and mostly you will have no issues. I've bought tens of names over there (mostly below $30) and so far no issues.

But I'm yet to sell one.

 

[GiftedDomains]

In the recent weeks i SOLD (not bought) a lot of names at ebay ranging from xx to mid xxx. No problems. Everyone paid within few days and no paypal issues.

I only had one buyer who didn't pay after 10 days. Then i worte an email and warned him if he doesn't pay, i will report him to ebay and his account will be limited or closed. He then paid immediately and apologized.
Also had a buyer who said that his kid did bid on the item. I told him i don't believe this old story, told ebay, they refunded my ebay fees. His account was closed after few days (don't know if it was because of me only or if he also had other cases)

However, I have preseted some limitations in my listings:

Block buyers who:

Don't have a PayPal account
Have received 2 Unpaid item Strike(s) within 1 month(s)
Have 4 Policy violation report(s) within 1 month(s)
Have a feedback score equal to or lower than -1

Also i have mentioned that i will report non paying bidders and will legally prosecute all violations (which I really DO if necessary)

That way i filter some of the deadbeat bidders and time wasters.
Also i have the option to manually remove a bid, if i think that the buyer is suspicious.

Somebody mentioned Escrow Service. Well it depends. If you are going to sell or buy a LLL.com at ebay or similar high valued domains, then that makes sence. But if you ask for escrow for lower amounts, no one will bid on your names. Many people don't know how it works and don't want the hassle. Therefore you don't find many sellers offering escrow service.

Hope that helps.

 

[mdomain]

just deal sellers that uses registrars with free push to your account!
Like Godaddy or Worlbizdomains.com etc.

Done it many times with no problems, look for sellers that have lots of positive feedbacks.

-mike at domainaddress.info

 

[ArielT]

All comments really very apprecited!

Thanks

 

[Atomic Domains]

Buying domains on eBay are very risky as I said, because if the seller decides not to transfer the domain PayPal will not refund you. PayPal has a policy against refunds for intangible goods. They offer no buyer protection for goods that can show no proof of deliver.

If you are going to use eBay use only to sell domains, not buy. As you see below PayPal offer no buyer protection for Intangible goods. So once again PayPal/eBay is safe for selling, but not buying.

Items are eligible unless they are excluded below:

Real estate, motor vehicles, capital equipment, travel tickets, and events tickets
Intangible items
Services
Items purchased using PayPal Payments Pro or Virtual Terminal
You may not file a dispute for a Personal Payment

 

[GiftedDomains]

It depends from which sellers you buy.
A seller with 100% positive ratings and history of past sales of domains with good feedback will not scam you.
So this comment (don't buy at ebay, only sell there) is too general and not correct. A buyer can also leave negative feedback on ebay (seller can't!!), a buyer can also report it too ebay.
You could say the same about any other place (like this forum) where people pay with paypal. There is no 100% risk free place (except escrow). But as mentioned, escrow doesn't make sence for lower amounts.

 

[eurorealtor]

Hello, I haven't used Ebay yet, but I'll start using it soon, my doubt is: are the dealings sure or there is any thing to be cautious of?

In buying and selling

I have sold some domains on ebay, but my experience with newbies = won auction > paid for domain > Never send me GD account info > I made refund > "Buyer" screwed up my 6 years old 100% rating > ebay customer service doesn't give a $hit.

Good luck

 

[officevalue]

Buying domains on eBay are very risky as I said, because if the seller decides not to transfer the domain PayPal will not refund you. PayPal has a policy against refunds for intangible goods. They offer no buyer protection for goods that can show no proof of deliver.

If you are going to use eBay use only to sell domains, not buy. As you see below PayPal offer no buyer protection for Intangible goods. So once again PayPal/eBay is safe for selling, but not buying.

Items are eligible unless they are excluded below:

Real estate, motor vehicles, capital equipment, travel tickets, and events tickets
Intangible items
Services
Items purchased using PayPal Payments Pro or Virtual Terminal
You may not file a dispute for a Personal Payment

Depending on your credit card company, you may be able to do a chargeback, if you funded the payment by CC. This is the buyer protection you need.

Now if you're on the seller end and the buyer who has no Paypal Buyer Protection but DOES have credit card protection files a CB for non-receipt of the item, you the seller without Paypal Seller Protection will lose the claim.

Also, if the buyer is not an authorized credit card user but has stolen someone else's credit card or Paypal account then the CC company will issue a chargeback and Paypal won't cover it. OTOH, if it is a tangible item and you can prove it was sent to the buyer's city and state or city and country or zip/postal code.

One option is to email the auth code and also snail mail it with delivery confirmation (unless buyer refuses delivery). Use a packing peanut to make envelope at least 3/4" thick as FCM requires this (Priority doesn't, IIRC) for DC to be scanned.

PayPal User Agreement

11.3(b) Item Not Received Additional Requirements: ... You must provide Proof of Delivery as described below in Section 11.4.
11.3(c) Unauthorized Transactions Additional Requirements: ... You must provide Proof of Shipment or Proof of Delivery.

11.4 Proof of Shipment, Proof of Delivery and Signature Confirmation Requirements.
"Proof of Shipment" is online or physical documentation from a shipping company that includes all of the following:
The date the item is shipped.
The recipient’s address matches the shipping address provided on the Transaction Details Page.
The recipient’s address, showing at least the city & state, or city & country, or zip/postal code (or international equivalent).
"Proof of Delivery" is online documentation from a shipping company that includes all of the following:
The item’s status as delivered.
The date the item is delivered.
The recipient address is the same as in the shipping address section on the Transaction Details Page.
The recipient's address, showing at least the city & state, or city & country, or zip/postal code (or international equivalent).
Signature Confirmation as described below if the full amount of the payment including shipping and taxes is $250 USD or more or its foreign currency equivalent provided below:
[Click on link above to see the table of foreign currency equivalents]
"Signature Confirmation" is online documentation that can be viewed at the shipping company’s website and indicates that the item was signed for on delivery.

 

[Atomic Domains]

It depends from which sellers you buy.
A seller with 100% positive ratings and history of past sales of domains with good feedback will not scam you.
So this comment (don't buy at ebay, only sell there) is too general and not correct. A buyer can also leave negative feedback on ebay (seller can't!!), a buyer can also report it too ebay.
You could say the same about any other place (like this forum) where people pay with paypal. There is no 100% risk free place (except escrow). But as mentioned, escrow doesn't make sence for lower amounts.

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yeah, you are right. It is basically just the risk you take in this business, as in every business there are risk. You just have to be able to sort out scams, etc... It is what it is though... stuff happens...

 

[accent]

I have several domains for sale on eBay. It may be coincidence, but I am seeing several "bidders" with zero feedback, just joined. Anybody else have this happen?

 

[techgal128]

I have several domains for sale on eBay. It may be coincidence, but I am seeing several "bidders" with zero feedback, just joined. Anybody else have this happen?

I always get wary of buyers with no feedback, especially with selling domains. If I were you, I would take note of the second highest bidder (providing they have feedback) just in case the first one flakes out. You might want to add on your Ebay ad that you expect payment within 48 hours (which seems more than reasonable). That will save you some time since you can file a nonpayment dispute after 2 days (which is the minimum amount of time Ebay requires) instead of waiting a week or more.

 

[accent]

Good idea for the second chance offer. If he doesn't pay no worries, I was concerned of something more complicated, not sure what.