domain DubaiSafariPark.com -Million dollar domain

[Ravish Kapila]

So Dubai is making one of the largest Safari Park in the world which is about to open in early 2016 an they named it Dubai Safari park and i own Dubaisafaripark.com

Please appraise how much this domain worth? is it a million dollar domain?

 

[Dineshkp]

The existence of this thread is proof enough for the business to grab the domain from your hands.

cyber squatting

EDIT: I am sorry to put it such a way, but this is just it. I was trying to find a thread similar to this one, but I could not find it.

 

[Dineshkp]

@Ravish Kapila

Found it! You can have a read through this thread to know more and get an idea of what you can and can't do.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/ho...-multinational-company-owning-brand-x.862903/

The posts in the thread are opinions too, I guess none of the posters is an attorney so don't blindly go by the words of anyone. They are opinions so take them as an opinion.

IMO: Drop your idea. This may sound good, but in reality it will burn you 99.9% of the time. If you are willing to develop the domain into something not related to Dubai Safari Park's product-related thing then you will be on the fair ground of fighting with them and in a position to sell if they make an offer to buy. But by putting out your intention of profiting from their business by selling their own name to them, you are playing in the wrong side. Honestly, I consider that is bad in all-ways, imagine if someone did that to you.

It would have been a different case if you registered the domain name years before though. But the who.is says May 2015 and I am sure it is a date after the idea of the Park was announced in public. So you are morally on the wrong side and legally too.

Get rid of it. Delete it.

That is my opinion though. You can do what you feel is right to you.

 

[Dineshkp]

Business, Mr. Kapela see an opportunity and think that they might need this domain name for this business? So he registered it. Finders keeper.

Seriously! Finders keepers? :p

I am pretty sure this term will not work in the real world.

 

[ZapNano]

Seriously! Finders keepers? :P

I am pretty sure this term will not work in the real world.

Never work if he open another of similar. He only own the TDN. Now if the "DubaisafariPark" Is willing to buy that TDN from him; if they are interested. A reasonable person would not just take that from him without compensating him.

 

[Dineshkp]

Never work if he open another of similar. He only own the TDN. Now if the "DubaisafariPark" Is willing to buy that TDN from him; if they are interested. A reasonable person would not just take that from him without compensating him.

They can sue for cyber squatting and they will win the name spending only lawyer fees (maybe they can skip that as well :p). If anyone is supposed to be reasonable it should be us, yes, us Domainers. We can't expect to hand register the name that a business has announced publicly then think we have a landed a million dollar domain. Give it a thought, put yourself in the shoes of DSP, and consider would you pay for the domain name or file a case. You might want to consider an attorney as business' always consult their lawyers for such matters

There are cases where small business have won such trademark issues. For example nissan.com is owned by a computer company and not Nissan Motors. They have also made the case details public so have a look into it. They won it because they were clearly using the name for a product totally irrelevant to Nissan Motors, and they still do.

It was not your idea, you are not putting millions of dollars into setting up the business, you are not working to bring people together and get the business alive and running but you simply take their idea, spend $10 or less and expect to get a $1m for your what effort? Think reason.

 

[ZapNano]

They can sue for cyber squatting and they will win the name spending only lawyer fees (maybe they can skip that as well :P). If anyone is supposed to be reasonable it should be us, yes, us Domainers. We can't expect to hand register the name that a business has announced publicly then think we have a landed a million dollar domain. Give it a thought, put yourself in the shoes of DSP, and consider would you pay for the domain name or file a case. You might want to consider an attorney as business' always consult their lawyers for such matters

There are cases where small business have won such trademark issues. For example nissan.com is owned by a computer company and not Nissan Motors. They have also made the case details public so have a look into it. They won it because they were clearly using the name for a product totally irrelevant to Nissan Motors, and they still do.

It was not your idea, you are not putting millions of dollars into setting up the business, you are not working to bring people together and get the business alive and running but you simply take their idea, spend $10 or less and expect to get a $1m for your what effort? Think reason.

Nissan, GM, Ford and so fort these brand name is pretty solid. They have been around for years. And any reasonable person would not used this name; with similar idea or the same area of business. Or even just the name itself.
Now, million dollar for the TDN. I don't think he mean it that way. Dubaipark something...something had mention about expanding and improving the current zoo. So I assumed they will probably will just used the same contact information. Since that information have been stablished for years (Maybe).

Legality: can cause time and monetary. Moreovere, you don't want to get into. It
Will drain you inside and out. Reasonable and fair, is the best policy.

In my opinion, I would not used an SDN word by word. Or try used the same SDN with the different extension. Example: shoe.com is taking. So you want to try shoe.bz and so fort. No the SDN has been already used.
At one time, on here. One person said I used lots of this word. Example: zap.com is taking. The word Zap can be used in a different area. Of course I would not used the word zap, even with a different extension.
I know the meaning of zap in my own world; I get this every month!

Look at this example: zap vs zaptcl; are they similar meaning?

 

[Dineshkp]

@ZapNano

You might want to look into cyber squatting. You will understand what I mean by "This thread is proof enough for the business to snatch the domain name".

 

[BaileyUK]

This is absolutely not correct. Do some research and you will see that in most cases .

Thanks I've done 20+ years, Business Law and early internet (Mostly successful) And I do love your QUOTE "In Most Cases" - So Very legalise.

And Yes, Of course I checked the domain registration date.

 

[ulterios]

Thanks I've done 20 years (Mostly successful ) I love your QUOTE "In Most Cases" - So Very legalise.

Of course I checked the domain registration date

That's good, research always helps awareness. If research is done, you will find that many domains are lost through UDRP or other measures, EVEN if they were registered before the TM was marked. Domain registration date in this case and similar cases will not matter. If the park gets a TM and goes through a UDRP, this individual WILL lose the domain, even though it was registered before the TM was marked.

Spend some time when you get a chance and read through this site's posts about the topic. Domain owners lose their domains due to TM infringement quite often. It happens to many domain investors.

 

[BaileyUK]

We are getting into petty point-scoring . I hope you've been as successful in domains as I have
I visited namepros, after probably thousands of posts at other boards - Shame but Nothing Beats the original 'DOMAINSTATE' Days (I'm going back to the original - not the sold on) And DNF. probably the next best back in 2000

 

[ulterios]

We are getting into petty point-scoring .

No, not point scoring at all. This forum is all about and supports people voicing their opinions and sharing information and expertise. It's good to have people like yourself and I who are willing to offer opinions and information. This forum is very diverse in it's members and that helps spread the information and experience that we all have. I admire you sharing your input and I hope to see you around NP more often. We always need members here who are active and willing to help share what they know. Hopefully we will see you around more and sharing what you have learned in your years of being in this field. More people like yourself are always good to give a variety of input to people who seek it.

I hope you've been as successful in domains as I have

I have been very fortunate in my domain success. I can't compare it to yours since I don't know what you have done and achieved. As long as you are happy then that's all that matters, right?

Lately I am trying to do website development and trying to grow something that lasts. I love being in the domain field, and website development can be a nice and even profitable field to dabble in.

I visited namepros, after probably thousands of posts at other boards - Shame but Nothing Beats the original 'DS' Days (I'm going back to the original - not the sold on) And DNF. probably the best back in 2000

Yeah, the old days were nice, and I feel they were more adventurous. I started in 95' and back then there was nothing but stuff like the new type of forums (many were BBS sites back then). Lots more people to interact with now and many people are growing and learning our field.

I have been on countless forum sites and one thing that always seems to happen. They get big, don't handle things properly as well as not changing with the times and listening to their members. This site is the top domain forum out there right now, and hopefully they will continue to be well into the future.

 

[BaileyUK]

That's a nice thought through response, so thanks Ulterios. I think what happens Is those that are good at the game - don't really want to be side-tracked onto (non expertise) forums anymore, Of course I miss the Banter. But, I'm sure even you can recall the early days were about 'opinions' of the internets development. Domains were still a fringe/minority investment (going back to the original $70 fixed cost - And that was a hell of a lot of money back then ) Some had the big Bucks - to do it. I Jumped in when Non-profit price ruling kicked in
The shame today, is to see and read the Hype about domains that really don't have a hind-leg to stand on. Mostly propagated by those with even less ability (or just want to talk-up their own. In some misguided way) lets face it, there's nothing decent to be grabbed/hand regged anymore. but we are still offering some sort of 'maybe/promissory ' opinions. It's been nice to visit namepros but ,Probably No good will come from staying around.

 

[Ravish Kapila]

Thanks everyone for all the Valuable info. I have checked the Dubai Municipal website and they named this project Safari Dubai where as in google its showing as Dubai safari park.

Attached is the screenshot of Dubai Municipal site.

 

[BaileyUK]

And lets face it SafariDubai (with or without the .com) Has All that Commercial/ Balance/ Connection/. Remembrance
Just goes to show you how Relevance and Pronunciation (and Word picture) All play their part in a great WordArt (Lovely play on that 'i' word ends) I bet somebody got paid thousands

 

[BaileyUK]

.com Regged in 2008

If you ain't Seven years ahead of the game - you ain't even in the Game

 

[Ravish Kapila]

.com Regged in 2008

If you ain't Seven years ahead of the game - you ain't even in the Game

but safaridubai.com is already a developed website used by a company running desert safari.

 

[BaileyUK]

Not for long my friend - It's a buyout . And the net .org are also pre-taken - This will be a simple buyout

 

[BaileyUK]

Lets face it every major play these days - takes-over a minor play as part of. That includes .dot whatever

 

[ulterios]

That's a nice thought through response, so thanks Ulterios.

You are most welcome, I always enjoy seeing and hearing both sides of a discussion. I appreciate your thought you put into your replies.

Domains were still a fringe/minority investment (going back to the original $70 fixed cost - And that was a hell of a lot of money back then

That's exactly what I paid for my first from Network Solutions. LOL

It's been nice to visit namepros but ,Probably No good will come from staying around.

Sure good will come. You can share what you have learned through your experience and help others. Just think if we had people helping us in the beginning!

 

[BaileyUK]

It's nice we can recant and recall.Yep 70 bucks to network Solutions being your only option. I'm sure you remember we had some great people, giving us direction when it was all anew. Lets not forget DS (domainstate) came about from disenfranchised individuals from DNF (domainstateforum) Including their founder. (Happy Days) When domain investing really was at the cutting edge of belief. I agree there's still loads to look forward to (even registered a couple of .co.uk tonight - and .co.uk is always a side bet) But lets face it - good domain investing is about picking the plums ahead - not regurgitating the present stay good my friend