Dot Coms Only

[Orbital]

I was curious why there is so much talk on here of .us, .cc, .info, etc.

Just from personal experience, registering anything besides a .com is a waste of money unless it's a rare 2 or possible 3 (letter) character domain, and even then should preferrably be a .net, or .org.

Obviously dictionary terms and brandable words ending in .us, or whatever may be sellable, but are they developable? Would you build a costly website project on it? Probably not, why would you?

Also, buying and owning 100's of domains can be a serious waste of money from an investment standpoint. From experience learning from some of the greatest domain speculators who own thousands of domains and drop 100's a year, you should be extra careful what you register. You can be nearly certain that you will be disappointed and will drop a lot of those non .com domains, as professional domain speculators drop 100's of fairly good .com's per year because they aren't developable.

Some rules you should follow are:

Dot Coms Only

No dashes, numbers or variations (name-pros.com or go2hawaii.com)

avoid typos as tempting as they are for redirects (britnayspears.com)

focus on domains related to your trade/job/expertise

avoid long domains, too many syllables, and phrases (todayisawonderfulday.com)

avoid spelling errors, mixed words, or hard to spell words (transcendingood.com)

Attempt to coin (google.com) marketable dot coms words or word combos

If you find a great dot com that you want to develop, consider snapping up the .net and .org version not for development, but for protection.

In closing, register domains that you can visualize a profitable/brandable business model around. A website will lose credibilty as a business if its not a dot com. If everyone is shopping at amazon.com, ebay.com, walmart.com, and you come out with electronicstore .cc, .info, .biz, etc., you likely aren't going to get much business. People are already afraid of identity theft on the web. They want trusted sites.

And say you do develop a lucrative advertising campaign, you will likely push most of your traffic over time to the dot com version.

So you're only other option is an informative site (books.info) which generally is also very unprofitable.

If you disagree, that's fine, but please at least try to support your rationale or give some kind of example as to why you feel differently.

 

[equity78]

DUDE that is strictly your opinion which your entitlled to and nothing more good luck.

Bottom line that is your personal experience first off not everyones. People like Duke who runs DNjournal.com Has mad a pretty good living selling .us .biz .info domains. Several Members here alone have and this is one small piece of the net. I personally have typos that paid for themself in the first week. I know guys with typos that genrate 450 uniques a day. Adam at DNF pretty experienced I wonder why he was mentioned in an article for buying .in domains. ELEQUA is one of the biggest and most experienced I thinK he owns quite a few .biz .info and oh my .tv.

Most Importantly there are no rules this is a subjective business some like the ability to buy a good keyword a not pay the outrageous price some .commies want. Others know development is the key ext does not matter as much WHOIS.sc Germany.info MP3.tv etc etc etc.

THE Ext has nothing to do with trust or identity theft Youcan have great security on a .info and piss poor security on a .com which I think is the ext with any of the Identity theft.

You have to brand the ext and if you have people who are so dumb they cannot remember that probably not going to be good customers.

Lastly THis is the First Inning not even the bottom of the first this games has a long way to go. JUST LIKE you IMO no one is the rule maker.

 

[Kenny]

Hello Orbital, (Great name btw)

Welcome to NamePros.
This is a great community and having a new member with your experience is an honor.

You will want to go to our Welcome Center,
http://namepros.com/forumdisplay.php?f=49
and introduce yourself. It's sort of a mandatory courtesy thing, and that way others will know your here as well.
The two char .org you posted in Appr. is an xlnt name as you well know, and with 2 chars being non reg-able if they drop, you must have gotten a little chuckle at a few comments.
I know I did.
So please go to the Welcome Center, read the sticky's and Mod's Rules of the Forum, and visit often.

Now in reply to you .com is king theory.... It's Content that makes a sucessful WebSite IMHO. :hehe:

Peace, kid5150

 

[robertjr]

May need to get out more???

DNJournal.com.....
Archive

CellPhones.us $12,250
MusikDownloads.de $9,295
Hotels-England.de $3,320
i9.net $1,575
Auto.biz $7,966
LondonEscorts.biz & MusicalTheater.info $2,655
Dolmetscher.biz $1,527
JJ.net $6,000
Caviar.net $2,500
Unisant.net $11,200

com's and will likely always be on top, but certainly the rest are making undeniable progress. :imho:

 

[Orbital]

Buying for real traffic can be fairly profitable, and I'm not against that for the purpose of redirects. If you get 500+ redirect hits a day for a $5-$10 yearly reg. fee, why not.

But the misconception is typos in general will get you there. In general they won't and you should avoid them. The ones that get the most hits are dropped developed sites that have thousands of sites linking to it. But you probably already knew that. And if they were previously developed, they probably had qualities of a developable site.

Sure there are no rules, you are right, but there are business principles that apply.

Remember most speculators aren't buying to redirect traffic, they only do that to either manipulate traffic numbers or generate revenues to cover bulk registration fees.

And even then, the professionals are redirecting traffic, not to pay per click style sites or programs, but to their own sites to make real money.

Also, this is not the first inning. This is the internet business. Where everyone wants to sell you a .us, .biz, .cc, .info, but there isn't 1, not even 1 major internet focused corporation that uses these extensions.

If there was, you would and everyone else selling them would be constantly using them as an example or in comparison.

I don't write the rules, I just know what they are and I agree they aren't fair, but they are principles of business and marketing.

Sure you can always find someone willing to buy a dictionary word .cc, .biz, .us, etc. as I mentioned above. They may pay thousands for them. It's always been that way, but you don't see anything big (websites) emerging from them. And those are the hardest ones to get your hands on.

They are watched with drop programs just like the rest, and a reg fee is worth the risk.

But in general, you have to admit, only dot coms are worth registering. That's the first principle that I'm personally sticking to. :D

 

[Mark]

I'm still one of those guys as well - Orbital .... I bow down to the almighty .com - lol
and have been messing with them since the late 90's +/- .

But I must say that I no longer buy or invest in only .com's any longer - Especially seeing since my Highest Sale "ever" was a .Us just last year. Times are changing - and folks aren't paying as much attention to the right side of the "Dot" any longer.

Dukes articles and site can show you Proof of it as mentioned above ~
Re :
http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=75582&highlight=dnjournal

 

[robertjr]

not even 1 major internet focused corporation that uses these extensions.

Comcast.???

???.....Hint, NOT a .com

:o

 

[equity78]

I agree with your typo example Orbital and talking about the Internet business but the DOmain game is in the first inning and the internet business is only in what the Top of the third. How long from the industrial revolution to the advent of the Internet Commerce Model? They are not rules they are opinions have been in the investment field for over 20 years when I was 16 people said only buy blue chips at reasonable valuations that has served many like Warren Buffett well, but many have profited retired form the small cap nasdaq and even lower priced microcaps all depends how you want to go at it but they are not rules they are merely an investment philosohy.

 

[snoop]

Wise words orbital, I agree with most of your points.

Though I would disagree on your comment "Attempt to coin (google.com) marketable dot coms words or word combos", I think the examples of companies who have done well with coined names are simply co's whose ideas/marketing/technology has been so effective that they have been able to do well despite using a worthless domain.

 

[equity78]

is .com the nyse yes are there busts there yes is .us smallcap nasdaq yes busts sure wins yes is .info .biz .in .tv microcaps yes big risk big reward. IMO


Of course you would snoop you are a .commie

 

[snoop]

Remember most speculators aren't buying to redirect traffic, they only do that to either manipulate traffic numbers or generate revenues to cover bulk registration fees.

And even then, the professionals are redirecting traffic, not to pay per click style sites or programs, but to their own sites to make real money.

not sure I agree with that either, if you look at the highest sales of domains being bought for redirection, almost all are sent to ppc pages or affiliates,

eg

GospelMusic.com $150,000
Voyuer.com $112,100
Downlaod.com $68,000
Trees.com $58,000

 

[.X.]

The .com is definatly my favorite,But i have some .nets aswell,Some.infos.I figure that every extension has it's place if used correctly.Alot of times they aren't. Example- snake.cc,So .biz used correctly serves it's purpose well.And so on. .info and .us are very developable with the right name.Just MO

 

[Orbital]

To be fair, comcast.net is a very nice website that was designed for existing clients, and should be noted, that it's not the companies home page, it was a spinoff website.

And in comparison, if you have access to linkpopularity software, you will notice that Comcast.com has 300% more sites linking to it than Comcast.net.

And even then, that doesn't support your .cc, .us, .biz, etc. argument. Nice try though. :D

 

[equity78]

But there news CN8 uses a .tv cn8.tv. I cannot agree with not worth regging I owuld agre with you more on spending big money but it stands to reason some US company that is not a Fortune 500 would buy a three letter .us for $200 to $1200 than pay $10,000 to $50,000

 

[snoop]

Of course you would snoop you are a .commie

actually I own alot of .info's, .co.uk, .biz, .net, .org, .tv, I'm just realisitic about the values of them (or lack of) in comparison to similar .com's.

 

[equity78]

But if you own them why on here I always see you putting them down?

 

[Orbital]

not sure I agree with that either, if you look at the highest sales of domains being bought for redirection, almost all are sent to ppc pages or affiliates,

eg

GospelMusic.com $150,000
Voyuer.com $112,100
Downlaod.com $68,000
Trees.com $58,000

You can't make an extreme the norm. That's their business strategy, to specifically buy traffic and make money on traffic.

Those guys ran profit projections and bought into it like it was a business model anticipating a profit over time.

By arguing that point, you'll lead speculators to think that if they buy what they can afford that drops, and redirect it to a ppc page or affiliate, they can generate great revenue. In most cases, they are generating some revenue that goes towards covering their hundreds of reg. costs.

Think about it, how long until the traffic dies out? How sooner on a pool of smaller combined traffic? The ppc type mlm programs pay only percentages of percentages.

Plus, can you really argue that someone who buys voyuer.com as you stated for $112,100 is a smart investor? Does that suddenly justify typos and traffic on the smaller scale?

 

[robertjr]

comcast.net is a very nice website

Traffic Rank for comcast.net: 39

Traffic Rank for comcast.com: 1,816

:wave:

And even then, that doesn't support your .cc, .us, .biz, etc. argument. Nice try though. :D

No, your correct about that, but vvv DOES!

CellPhones.us $12,250
MusikDownloads.de $9,295
Hotels-England.de $3,320
i9.net $1,575
Auto.biz $7,966
LondonEscorts.biz & MusicalTheater.info $2,655
Dolmetscher.biz $1,527
JJ.net $6,000
Caviar.net $2,500
Unisant.net $11,200

Noticed you never addressed that, nice try though

 

[daddypi]

To end up in profit from a regular $8.00 domain, a domain must earn a minimum of .0219 a day. Any domain, any extension, is capable of earning this amount.

 

[Kenny]

Originally Posted by Orbital

not even 1 major internet focused corporation that uses these extensions.

Earthlink.NET?

Have you seen our welcome center yet? :D