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Labeled as .ca in ccTLD Discussion started by whitebark, Jul 7, 2008.

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  1. DomainRecap

    DomainRecap Established Member

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    That's just brand protection in case they expand into the UK.

    I can remember picking up a Jack Reacher book at the library - it must have been a donation as it was a UK edition and it was "tyre-this" and "tyre-that" and "torch-this" and "torch-that" (UK for flashlight).

    It literally drove me crazy.
     
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  2. rlm

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    Some issues seem to have been fixed at CIRA. The remaining issue major issue seems to be poor documentation to the registrars and how to handle reserved & restricted domain names when requested for registration. So at this point, its mostly a problem at the registrar level - they're not capturing the fact that these domains are reserved/restricted and giving an appropriate message to the end users and they proceed to allow them to be registered.

    And you'll notice that you can _seemingly_ register some domains at some registrars but not others. In particular GoDaddy seems to be one that had screwed up their implementation and allowing you to register these domains, but there are many others too.

    However, when you try and register them now, you'll notice that now the domain goes into a pendingCreate status (which you'll see reflected in whois). These domains are being hand-reviewed by CIRA to see if you're eligible to register the domain. If not, they are getting rejected - which puts the domain into a pendingDelete status (again, see whois).

    Right now CIRA is in the process of rejecting those applications. I had registered 50+ domains as a test. All went from a pendingCreate status to a pendingDelete status today. If that applied to you, now you've gotta get refunded from your registrar. I fully expected this situation to happen, but figured I didn't want to miss out completely if they let some things slip through the cracks. I sure wish CIRA woulda had their sh*t together from the start and we wouldn't have wasted all this time.

    So - if you're currently able to register stuff and it goes into a pendingCreate status - don't bother anymore, CIRA is slowly pulling their heads out of their asses and getting around to rejecting these domains...

    Domains like city.ca still haven't been revoked yet for some reason. district.ca returns the "restricted" message from whois. Not sure if that's because no one registered it before they blocked it, or if it had been registered but already deleted.

    If you're lucky enough to still have some domains not in a pendingDelete or pendingCreate status, keep your fingers crossed but don't hold your breath.

    And if you're like me and did a ton of research over the past week, you likely stumbled onto a few domains that were worth registering that were NOT reserved or restricted... So I guess all this time was not a _complete_ loss.
     
  3. rlm

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    It was updated because CIRA put it into pendingDelete status.
     
  4. MapleDots

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    I saw that too and I got a couple myself that I figure are mine.

    Canspace was right on the ball, it registered and the next day they reversed them and said I get a refund. I have not seen the refund a few days later but I assume its coming.

    YOu are right at godaddy it goes into a locked status and you can't touch any settings.
    Some did go through and are currently resolving.

    Like in your case I got quite a few and am keeping my fingers crossed that some of the ones that went through actually stick.

    Again.... as with city.ca.... when are you really safe to sell one of those domains?
    You would have one peeved of client if you sold one even a year from now and cira ended up recalling the domain.
     
  5. DomainRecap

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    Yeah, I figured that out after your previous comments.
     
  6. rlm

    rlm Established Member

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    Domains explicitly listed here as restricted may _never_ be safe: https://cira.ca/general-registration-rules

    • the Canadian top level country code .ca and certain generic top level domain three letter names (including but not limited to .com.ca, .org.ca, .net.ca, .edu.ca, .gov.ca, .int.ca, and .mil.ca);
    • the following names: village.ca, hamlet.ca, town.ca, city.ca and ville.ca;
    The entire document is an interesting read. Even if you tried to contact a tiny municipality and agree to buy it from them, you'd still need explicit permission from CIRA in advance. Here's an interesting example. Cadillac.ca was dead for a long time. Someone at Cadillac (the auto corp) must've approached the town and got them to register the domain, then are paying them to redirect the domain to CadillacCanada.ca. So this way CadillacCanada.ca gets the traffic, Cadillac the town gets some $$$ and CIRA didn't need to approve it because it was never transferred. Note that it is OK for Cadillac the town to lease the domain because leasing is only banned by CIRA if the lessee doesn't meet the CIRA presence requirements.

    Also note these clauses:

    3.6 Rejection, Refusal to Register, Suspension and Deletion by CIRA. CIRA, in its sole discretion, has the right to (i) reject and refuse any Registration Request for any reason whatsoever, to (ii) delete or suspend a Domain Name Registration within 30 days of the Registration Date and/or to (iii) delete or suspend a Domain Name Registration pursuant to the provisions of the Registrant Agreement.

    So some domains may fall under (ii), i.e. you've got 30 days; and some domains may fall under (iii), i.e. CIRA has indefinite rights to cancel it if it was explicitly restricted in the Registrant Agreement (of which these general registration rules are going to be part of).

    So, I'm guessing village/hamlet/town/city/ville will be lost or should be considered lost. That goes for any 3rd level conflicting domains too. Beyond those, you may have hope if it can slide by for 30 days.
     
  7. rlm

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    Also interesting to note:

    Domain Name: village.ca
    Creation Date: 2000-10-19T21:23:09Z
    Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
    Registrant Name: Amplisys Inc. inc.

    This domain was reg'd before CIRA's reign over .CA started, yet CIRA claims its explicitly restricted from being owned. Talk about waiting it out... :)
     
  8. cabotower

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    can we view a list of reserved/restricted words?
     
  9. rlm

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    CIRA doesn't publish it AFAIK. If they did, then they'd probably have to justify everything listed there and open themselves up to more discrimination about their discrimination :)
     
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    so they are telling us there are things we can't do but they aren't going to tell us just what it is we can't do until we do it
     
  11. rlm

    rlm Established Member

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    pretty much.
     
  12. wwwweb

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    That is a nightmare waiting to happen, best to look the other way. Seriously this is just an exercise in wishful thinking.
     
  13. HotKey

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    LOl- ya the "tyre" spelling looks silly here ( in Canada), frankly, was surprised to see that version registered, even as brand protection. Didn't realize it was a legitimate spelling used in UK, so as expansion purposes makes sense.
     
  14. nafti

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    I believe CIRA is partially getting their act together. I noticed that abc.ca is now “restricted” and no longer registered.
     
  15. MasterOfMyDomains

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    @rlm
    Thanks for that info from cira. I had been searching for this part since there had been talk about leasing to say Californians.

    Note that it is OK for Cadillac the town to lease the domain because leasing is only banned by CIRA if the lessee doesn't meet the CIRA presence requirements.
     
  16. DomainRecap

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    This .CA leasing deal is kind of a gray area for me, as some people say it's not allowed at all, yet you see examples of it happening all the time. Holding companies like Mark Monitor make their living on it, and probably redirect thousands of .CA URLs around the world.

    Is there any definitive explanation from CIRA on what's allowed and what's not?
     
  17. MapleDots

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    HeHe - see what you made me do?

    color copy.jpg
     
  18. MapleDots

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    Don't ask, don't tell is my motto.

    I have almost 100 sensitive domains that I don't publish on my homepage.

    Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh is the word. :whistle:
     
  19. nafti

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    Maybe I jumped the gun too soon with this quote! :ROFL:
     
  20. MasterOfMyDomains

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    22000 names on tbr, was 17k earlier in the week I think. Page still having loading issues

    Be a lot of unhappy registrars too, refunds are extra paperwork and expense. Probably a couple unhappy customers here and there too

    @namesilo did you get any registrations of restricted names? Wondering what confusion would cause you, or if cira is communicating properly with their certified registrars.
     
  21. wwwweb

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    Namesilo names are still in accounts, locked, none of the functions work on them.

    Fun thing about namesilo they let you print certificates that you can frame, and hang on the wall thru their interface. Should make for some great stories.
     
  22. DomainRecap

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    "I once owned ON.ca bitches!"
     
  23. wwwweb

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    Those province codes were always in pending creation status, so you couldn't even change the nameservers as they were never activated.
     
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    onca.jpg

    Just a good story now, that is about it. Once upon a time...
     
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  25. Kate

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    I'd love to register cira.ca and park it :xf.love:
     

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