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Labeled as new gtlds in Domain Industry News started by eenmakkie, Mar 21, 2016.

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  1. eenmakkie

    eenmakkie Established Member

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    Imagine registering a new domain, at he moment you registered the new domain, it was not a premium top level domain. So you pay a fair price for it.
    You think it is yours and every year you have to pay the same renewal price.

    That is what I did by godaddy.com
    I bought a new TLD domain when they came on the market.

    started offering it for sale.

    Now when the next renewal is coming close, I went to my godaddy.com account and suddenly they wanted 499.99$ to renew the domain for a year. A huge multiple increase compare to the price I paid to register the name.
    I called help desk and they told that the domain has become top level domain name as they have seen the value of it.

    what?!!!!!

    So you buy a domain, spent a lot of money and work on the website, make a business around it, it becomes big on the market, you start to earn millions and suddenly the registrars can ask you what ever they want to renew your domain as they have seen the value of your domain now?

    And if you do not pay the extravagant renewal price they ask, it becomes there's? So then they can sell your hard work?

    Is this legal?

    So what google.com or facebook.com they bought there domains for 1000 years upfront to avoid that the registrar can ask them a couple of billions to renew their domains?
     
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  2. alcy

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    which gtld?

    I guess allmore reason stick to com

    this does not really apply to gtld domains I own.. with excepton of maybe .one which I regged regular fee at begining when it came out.. and it is possible owners may have made some of my keywords premium.

    however, this issue was discussed before.. and the general rule is that they cannot up price without giving you at least one extension chance at your old price. which in turn could mean that if you get that chance, you could probably extend it by 100 years at same price. if you really wanted to secure the domain for yourself.

    that's something I heard before.
     
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  3. MisterSoft.com

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    It's called price gouging!
    See, registrars will always be the winner and the investors will be shafted. Very sad.
    This will keep happening with all these ngtlds.
    Bottom line is: just stick with dotcom! :)
     
  4. brindle123

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    Everyone says they have to give you notice of the price hike and that you can renew at current price, but I don't think they will honor the original price!

    This is going to be a big problem dealing with greedy registries. What extension was it? We need to get this out in the open right now!
     
  5. brindle123

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    I just talked to ennmakkie via PM.

    .villas is the gtld that changed in pricing for him.

    His renewal went from $69.99 to $499!!! That is scary and everyone on here should be concerned about this issue. It seems like the renewal pricing didn't change across the board for the .villas extension. It was only because they now deemed "his" domain as a premium domain and changed the pricing in order to "STEAL" it back.
    I knew this sh*t would happen and tried to warn everyone on NP that it could happen, but most people on here thought I was over reacting or just crazy.

    I told the ennmakkie to contact Godaddy, the registry, and ICANN with this problem. Document everything in case of any future class action lawsuits.

    We need to discuss this topic in full until this is resolved! When problems like this pop up, it seems like everyone on here would rather bury their head in the sand instead of dealing with the main issues and problems with the new gtlds.

    We don't own the domains, even .com domains. We rent them every year. This doesn't happen with .com which is good.

    I don't accept this crap and no one on here should either! ICANN allows this crap to happen and does nothing for the little guy in this game. We need to call on ICANN to stand up for us instead of allowing us to be screwed at every step along the way.

    These types of domain theft will ruin the new gtld market in the eyes of domainers and the general public, which will make it impossible to resell a gtld in the aftermarket.
     
  6. alcy

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    I say let the gtlds do this scamming behaviour.. the sooner they self destruct in this way and are off the market completely, the better for domainers.
     
  7. MisterSoft.com

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    Agree
     
  8. MisterSoft.com

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    Agree, this kind of desperate and disgusting behavior suggests that these ngtlds registries are bound to be doomed...
    If our friend ennmakkie has time and energy to file a lawsuit and I'm 100% sure he would prevail. This would be the beginning of the end of these scumbag registries who are behaving like vultures...
     
  9. alcy

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    bottom line is, new gtlds were always bad idea to most domainers.. creating nothing but chaos and confusion and diverting from real value domains.. and in the end, causing MOST domainers who ventured there to loose more money than to make money. (note most<>all)

    so as far as I am concerned all new gtlds can disappear from market tomorrow. and I'd be jumping from joy for it and not even blink.

    so yes, I am all for scamming behaviour from them.. I cheer it and encourage it (including for the ones I own) because down the line it will mean self dstruction and disappearence from market.

    and that day will be a real good day for domainers. imo
     
  10. brindle123

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    The unfortunate thing is that ICANN will do nothing.

    ICANN is in the pocket of the new gtld registries so they will not act on behalf of us!

    There are some good gtlds but it seems like ALL the registries suck.

    If this starts happening across the board then we will have a good class action lawsuit case against ICANN and the registries. Document everything and be prepared for the lawsuit, because I think it is in the works.

    Ennmakkie contact Godaddy today via email and keep that email. Also contact them over the phone and let us know what they say.

    Here is a link to complain to ICANN about the registry.

    https://forms.icann.org/en/resources/compliance/complaints/registries/form

    Here is the link for other complaints.


    https://www.icann.org/compliance/complaint
     
  11. Kate

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    This is not the first time such a thing happens.
    Makes me think that the registries are not in for the long haul, they are trying squeeze as much as they can before they fall into oblivion.

    I wonder if the FTC has jurisdiction over the domain name industry at least in the US ? What's going on here would not be allowed in other industries.
     
  12. dommmain

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    This is really nasty power abuse of registrars. That is just crazy.
    I specially made an account at this forum to be able to react on this post.

    This news should be widely spread around big forums like this. I think if things like this happen, a gltd should be put on a blacklist somewhere here. @eenmakkie (Nederlander zo te lezen) Please fight this in court, as it threatens the business of domainers like you and me.

    What gives them the right to do that? Where are these rules stated? Why does .com not have this problems, as I just read ? What about other (new LTD) extensions ? This should not be accepted.
     
  13. brindle123

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    The registries will do this for as long as they can. Then they will come out with a different policy so they don't look so bad and continue to lose business. In the mean time they will steal back domains and resell them as much as they can.

    All they have to do is raise the renewal costs to the point that we can't justify renewing our domains. We will drop 1000's of domains. Then the registries can reclassify any domain that they get back into the registry as a premium domain. Lower the renewals and restart the whole theft process on the next batch of new domainers.

    If you don't think this can, will, or is happening, then you are the perfect target for them.

    This process erodes trust in the domain industry.
     
  14. doubleU

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    I have never heard any seasoned namePros members report this before and this is @eenmakkie's first post, kind of hard to believe.
     
  15. brindle123

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    So you don't think has happened or can't happen? Peoples first posts on here are not always about appraisals or how to sell a domain.

    Dommmain started an account just for this topic. I'm not sure they were wronged.

    I've seen other posts where similar things happen to domainers by the registries. Raising prices and reclassifying a domain that wasn't premium into a premium domain price structure.

    I wrote the following complaint to ICANN:

    "It came to my attention that a .villas domain name renewal pricing has gone up from $69.99 to $499 just based on the domain name not the extension.
    To me and the domaining community, this amounts to domain theft by the registry. If we are told that renewals are not at premium pricing at the time of the domain purchase, then how can a domain within an extension be reclassified to a premium pricing structure? This needs to be address asap or there will be public mistrust of new gtlds, domains, registries, and ICANN if this is allowed to continue. Please advise on what ICANN's policy is towards this type of problem. I see this as causing class action lawsuits in the new future if this is allowed to continue. This is already being discussed within the domaining community. If mistrust continues and the general public also has this concern, the gtld market and aftermarket will be in ruin."


    I might need more info from the OP in case I am contacted by ICANN. Instead of doing all my bitching on NP, I'm going to take it right to the source of the problems!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  16. pchip

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    Unfortunately, the concern over no regulation in pricing (increases) was voiced many times here at Namepros. That fact alone should have made anybody think twice about using/investing in a new gtld.
     
  17. wwwweb

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    Isn't there a clause that they have to give you 6 months to renew it at the current price, and you can do so for upto 10 years. You should report it to ICANN, Who is the company, what is the domain, you need to provide all details to get any traction.
     
  18. dommmain

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    @brindle123, I like your spirit, good that you did that

    Domaining should be about being the first, that thinks of a name and then registers it. That is the game. That's what it's all about. And of course if it is premium at the moment of registering one knows what to expect.

    But a registrar suddenly selectively deciding they want a piece of your pie or even your entire domain name, by making it premium ??? WTF ?!
    This should not be allowed all of a sudden after one has registered and holds the name.
    A registrar should guarantee this in the market of domaining, this is crucial and should be stated crystal clear.
    This is in fact domain theft/fraud from the one company (registrar) that is suppose to serve their customers and protect you against domain fraud and such.

    Madness. Turn it around and imagine a gtld becoming very populair and some higher authority decides to take it over.
     
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  19. domainnamesdaily

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    Can't you just transfer it to a different registrar?
     
  20. brindle123

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    As far as I know the registry is the one that makes the domain a "Premium" not the registrar. So even if he transferred the domain, it would still be deemed premium.

    The terms of service or user agreement says prices can change "without" notice. They don't say anything about the domain being reclassified into a "Premium" domain though.

    I'm not sure how it got out there that you can renew at the current or old price for 10yrs or even the next year. That is only the case if you get prior notice via email or find out on here that there is an upcoming price change. Once the price change has gone into effect, you have to pay the new price change. Even if it's not time to renew.

    Some of my gtld domain renewal prices have gone up since I bought them two months ago and I have not received a single email stating that renewal prices have changed.

    I highly doubt that any action will be taken from ICANN on this issue. I don't even expect a response from them. That's the amount of faith I have in the support from ICANN. I wish they would chime in on this forum to clear things up. I also wish there was a REP from every registry on here that we could hash these things out in the open.

    If someone from Donuts is on this forum, please point them out so I can drag them into this. I never hear Reps get involved in these types of threads, because they don't want the truth to come out.
     
  21. alcy

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    exactly. like was said a few times on this therad and countless times elsewhere. stick to .com and couple other oldies, and let the others self destruct and die and go to hell where they belong. cheers.
     
  22. wwwweb

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    http://www.thedomains.com/2015/09/2...-in-the-new-gtld-space-goes-to-mind-machines/

    All new gTLD registries have the basic same contract with ICANN

    New gTLD registries, including Donuts can raise renewal prices, but they have to give a registrant a 6 month notice and give them the opportunity to renew the domain at the current rate for the remainder of the 10 year term
     
  23. brindle123

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    I don't think that notice is happening at all.
    I haven't got a single email with price increases.

    Thanks for posting that link. I read that article by Michael Berkens about his domains suddenly becoming "premium".

    One thing I noticed was that it wasn't just one domain that changed to premium, it was 20 domains in different extensions.

    I could see maybe one pricing being wrong on one domain but not 20 different domains in 5 different extensions. Something very fishy going on.

    I think it was Mr. Berkens that just announced his retirement from domaining. I wonder if this is what set him off. He is also a lawyer so you would think he could go after the registry.

    Here is a good quote from George Kirikos "If highly sophisticated individuals like Mike are seeing their investment turn to dust, imagine the fate of *unsophisticated* domain name buyers…."

    Let's keep after this. Call out the registry reps if they ever show their face to help domainers.
     
  24. wwwweb

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    Yes, another thing I noticed was that they only need to give notice to the registrar, and not the registrant of the new price increase, which is mind boggling in 2015 legal contracts you would not provide full disclosure to the person who has to pay the bill?
     
  25. deez007

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    So now the real question is....if they are doing this crap with new TLD's then what's stopping them from starting to do the same with .com's /.org's /.net's and just about any TLD they feel like?
     

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