Domain backordering..

[pimpdaddy]

Hi,
After reading another post here, a question arose in my mind.
Backorders are limited to 1 domain per backorder dealer?
For example, domain xyz.com can only be backordered once at snapnames.com? And then the only way to backorder it for someone else is to go to another registrar?

 

[dax]

Originally posted by pimpdaddy
Hi,
After reading another post here, a question arose in my mind.
Backorders are limited to 1 domain per backorder dealer?
For example, domain xyz.com can only be backordered once at snapnames.com? And then the only way to backorder it for someone else is to go to another registrar?

Correct.
But it is only for SnapNames, GoDaddy and few more...

Other backordering services are auction based (Pool, NameWinner...) and this means that domain goes to highest bidder...

 

[pimpdaddy]

I see, who has a better chance out of the 4, pool, snapnames, godaddy, or namewinner?

What do you guys think?

if they were to go against each other for a domain

 

[Darren]

I doubt there is any 'better chance'.

As dax said above, the domain would end up going to the highest bidder for it.

 

[pimpdaddy]

Highest bidder?
SnapNames and GoDaddy does not bid as far as I know?

 

[Darren]

Ahh, well noted. I never thought of this.

I've never been very interested in back-ordering names myself, perhaps somebody will clear this one up for us!

 

[dax]

Originally posted by pimpdaddy
I see, who has a better chance out of the 4, pool, snapnames, godaddy, or namewinner?

What do you guys think?

if they were to go against each other for a domain

AFAIK, today ranking are something like this:
1. Pool (greatest number of involved registrars, but too much "action" behind the curtain)
2. NameWinner (can beat anybody if bid amount is high)
3. SnapNames (they are not even the shadow of the best snapper they used to be)
4. GoDaddy (very low success rate)

 

[pimpdaddy]

So...if I understand it right, the domain grabbing companies do not charge my card unless a domain was successfully grabbed?

 

[CrazyEddie]

Snapnames and godaddy charge you when you place the back order, however if they don't get the name you can reuse the backorder until you do or one year from first snap. NW, and pool charge you when and if they get it.

Great names a very hard to come by this way unless you are willing to pay aolot at pool. With pool people are biding against you that get a 25% discount or more off of there bid price.

 

[pimpdaddy]

Originally posted by CrazyEddie
Snapnames and godaddy charge you when you place the back order, however if they don't get the name you can reuse the backorder until you do or one year from first snap. NW, and pool charge you when and if they get it.

Great names a very hard to come by this way unless you are willing to pay aolot at pool. With pool people are biding against you that get a 25% discount or more off of there bid price.

Hmm, Sorry I didn't catch the 25% part, could you explain that?

 

[RJ]

Originally posted by CrazyEddie
Great names a very hard to come by this way unless you are willing to pay aolot at pool. With pool people are biding against you that get a 25% discount or more off of there bid price.

As far as I know, that's just a rumor. Do you have any evidence of this?

 

[meljr]

I read somewhere (don't remember where) that you can try to "snap" them yourself, by waiting until 2 AM or somthing when they are being released and just trying to register them manually. Has anyone ever heard of this or tried it?

meljr

 

[pimpdaddy]

Originally posted by meljr
I read somewhere (don't remember where) that you can try to "snap" them yourself, by waiting until 2 AM or somthing when they are being released and just trying to register them manually. Has anyone ever heard of this or tried it?

meljr

Hmm,

1. Are you sure it is at 2AM? (I though it varies per domain).

2. Do you think you can do it faster then tons of competing robots?

 

[meljr]

Don't know for sure, but I am not getting the snaps through the robot guys anyway, plus it they get it they just want to auction it off , so is that really a service it's just a way they get names to auction? Where do these robots come from anyway? I wonder if there is any software arround that does this kind of thing?

It almost seems like this system is rigged somehow, and we are just watching from the side lines while someone else calls the shots.

I use to have a friend who would win alot of contests. She had three phones and would just auto dial, one after the other until she got a hit. So what would work here?

Any ideas?

meljr

 

[Jeff]

Righto, I think it's 2 p.m. EST give or take.
Depends on the demand for the domain name ... I've caught several domains waiting for PD +6 days (at approx. 2 - 5 p.m. EST) and manually registered them myself (meaning some do drop on schedule, process appears to work). Now, granted ... I may have been the only one in the universe who wanted those domain names. If it's popular or it's perceived value is rather large, I think the various services/scripts/bots/whathaveyou will beat you 99.99% of the time versus this method, IMHO.

 

[pimpdaddy]

Exactly, but I think meljr made a great point.

Although you can stay online all day and keep checking the status of the domain until it disappears or something like that. The automated software will definitely beat you to it since it is just a cron job that is being run regularly to check the status of the domain, and if the domain is available, it sends millions of requests for registration.

Sorry if I am wrong on something, please correct me if I am.

 

[meljr]

pimpdaddy, these are interesting questions. It would be nice to find out how these robots work. Does anyone know about this?

For example if you were the robot owner and you had
1 request for crap.com
100 requests for soso.com and..
500 requests for greatname.com

what would stop you from putting all your robot power into getting the greatname.com, and then let the little guys fight over it and make you a nice profit just for running a program?

How hard could it be to run a robot program, and just who can get these programs anyway?

I would like to understand more about this.

meljr

 

[bensontwenty]

Hey meljr - your post got me curious to about this as well so i have just spent the past hour scouring hotscripts.com and found various scripts for this.

http://www.hotscripts.com/Detailed/30547.html - needs an enom reseller id, if you don't have one then pm me and i can set you up.

http://www.hotscripts.com/Detailed/27550.html

http://www.hotscripts.com/Detailed/20083.html

http://www.hotscripts.com/Detailed/12529.html

The top one is the newest but i don't know anything about any of them - they might be worth having a try to see which one is the best.

Would love to know how you get on if you do something like this.

jp

 

[pimpdaddy]

Wow bensontwenty, Great work!

I actually did take a look at hotscripts in a search of a similar program, but I was unsuccessful in finding what I was looking for.

Thanks for the links, I will be sure to check those out.

EDIT:
Seems like all of those programs are great, although I wonder who would win if I were to run one of those scripts, and someone using SnapNames or something like that.

 

[bensontwenty]

we can only try it and see! - might be worth checking out the big boys and trying to go head to head with them to see if you get one - would be an interesting experiment pimpdaddy

might even try it myself