Developed Websites forum - full of turnkeys?

[xlguy]

That's 'turnkeys' and not 'turkeys' for those of you who speed read :hehe:

I often lurk around NamePro (notice the lack of posts vs time registered!). I'm finding that the Developed Websites forum is less useful lately. Lots of people are listing developed sites that have "just launched" or "all ready to go". In my opinion (which might be wrong!) I don't really consider such sites to be truly developed.

Is there anyway we can ensure the sites listed are truly developed rather than just a domain with a turnkey site or a site with a forum with 10 members. The easiest way would be to have a minimum time period a site has to be online - I would think 6 months would be considered developed. But then again, it's going to be hard to prove. Perhaps we can just kick threads out if they are blatant shell/turnkey/brand new sites? I'd be happy to volunteer.

My two cents.

 

[jeter4982]

Though turnkey websites aren't truly developed that much, I think you have to allow them to be posted in the developed sites for sale forum, because there's not a clear difference betwen what's developed and what's not. The age factor does not really work as you suggested, because if I work on a site nonstop for a month, and then sell it the next month, it very well could be more functional than something that took 5 years to create. I would be in support of a required prefix of [TURNKEY] because at least that way you can just avoid the threads...

Tom

 

[xlguy]

Yeah that's not a bad suggestion. Perhaps we could have a minimum amount of traffic and/or registered users if we are talking about a forum. People are basically installing some software getting 20 friends and family to register, then coming here (and other forums) to try and sell their site as 'developed'. While technically it's more 'developed' than a holding/parking page - it's not really what buyers like me (who want sites with users, traffic, revenue) are looking for.

 

[Marky_]

Hmm I don't agree - quite a few are turnkeys but it's certainly not full of turkeys... and it's not full of turnkeys either...

 

[biggie]

i've seen the "scales of justice" template used too many times for many so-called "legal /attorney" sites.

 

[xlguy]

Having been reviewing the situation over the last few days, it appears that a lot of 'developed' sites would be better described as 'domains with traffic'. Uploading phpBB and getting 40 people to join ( http://www.namepros.com/developed-sites-for-sale/164170-technology-forum-for-sale.html ) is not exactly 'developed' - at least from my point of view. I'm just finding it frustrating to find sites that are actually a) popular and b) truly developed, with a decent page rank and userbase.

Another example can be found in this thread in which the user writes "Little to no traffic and no revenue. All of the hard work of setting up the forum and making the forums is done for you. The header is custom work."

 

[xlguy]

One month later. If you look tonight at the Developed Web Sites For Sale forum around 80% of all listings are sites which are advertised as "brand new" or "has no or little traffic". It's becoming so hard (and time consuming) to find proper web sites in that list. I really like NamePros and have been here for three years, but something needs to be done to stop people flooding that forum with turnkey/just launched sites.

(If anyone is listening)

 

[jstep]

maybe a subforum, for sites with certain traffic ratings?

 

[xlguy]

Yeah something like that. It's just that so many people are now sticking up some lame script and calling it developed even though it's 1 day old and has no traffic. In my opinion that's like a parked domain!

 

[B33R]

Yep the turkeys are annoying.

I figure it'll die out soon - when everyone has got an
image hosting/proxy/recipe/dating/ebook/adsense/appraisal/classifieds/directory/myspace/
arcade/cheats/fonts/software/legal forms/whois/rating site .......

They're really only good (and I use that word lightly) when they've got a killer domain name and if they're <$50 you know they haven't!

People will get bored of buying and selling $20 turkeys and eventually it'll all fade away into a bad memory - hopefully

B33R
100% turkey free - "Ain't no turkeys here!"

 

[xlguy]

Thanks for the post B33R. My main concern is that they are becoming more popular now and not dying out. If you look at the first two pages of threads, the *majority* are for brand new sites with little/no traffic or revenue. I wouldn't mind if -RJ- charged a small listing fee of maybe $5 for a thread - it's what SitePoint does and improves the quality of sites on sale. It also would top up Ron's beer fund

 

[B33R]

The prices are getting cheaper though, it was not long ago turkeys cost $40+. Now they're down to $20 and not selling as well.
This isn't just an NP situation, it's happening on most sites like this. I don't think NP can (or will) make a move against them.

For the record, I don't like sites that charge fees. I'd rather have a site partially filled with crap than a half-dead site.

 

[Keral_Patel]

See nowadays everyone in appraisals section is telling try and develop it and you may get XXXXXX

So the poor guy who has many domains in his portfolio just buys a turnkey script and uploads it.

Technically it is a developed site. If he developed it or any other coder it doesn't matters.

But the site is running and it may even get its renewal fees from the site itself.

So the problem is not from the guy who is developing turnkeys and starting threads the prob is from the experienced people who give appraisals and then also add that developed it may be more.

This thing is also true developed it may be more as the site is earning now. Or is in a situation where it can earn something.

Bcoz whenever someone buys a domain or a site he asks for revenue???

So the poor guy tries and gets some revenue out of his domains.

It is not his fault. Whoever makes turnkey sites and just starts a thread in the "Developed websites for sale" section.

It is our own system that makes that guy do this.

 

[yeppers]

See nowadays everyone in appraisals section is telling try and develop it and you may get XXXXXX

That's true I've noticed too.

I think that maybe their should be a sub-forum for websites which have been "developed" for 30 days or less... That would at least give the turnkey website some real traffic.

Just my 2 cents,
Rhett.

 

[B33R]

Actually developing a site is different to putting a turnkey script on a site and calling it a developed site.

A developed site should have at least some traffic whereas most of the turnkeys don't.

Ideally there should be a forum for developed sites with traffic (say minimum 10 per week) and then a forum for developed sites with no/little traffic.

But as I said earlier, I think the turkeys will die out soon or at least people will take some time to actually develop (get traffic, advertise, grow) them a bit before selling them.
I think the market will eventually force this so I'm not too bothered about all the underdeveloped turnkey sites for sale now.

:imho: anyway.

 

[Keral_Patel]

But man this is a domainers forum not PHP freaks forum So you will not see much of custom developed sites here.

Each domainer has 50 to 100 domains approximately. He can't develop each and every name, be on namepros, do his domain mining, Buy and sell some names and do the marketing of the domains he had developed - all in one day.

Some people over here also have jobs to do. They do the domaining in part time. So the turnkeys are here to stay as long as domainers will stay. :D

Sorry no offense but this is what i think so just telling it.

 

[xlguy]

Nick, I think you're missing the main point - we're not talking about turnkey vs custom coded, we are talking about developed sites with traffic/income vs a brand new site. For me I don't care if a site is turnkey or not - as long as it has traffic and/or income.

Cheers

 

[B33R]

Some people over here also have jobs to do. They do the domaining in part time. So the turnkeys are here to stay as long as domainers will stay. :D

Sorry no offense but this is what i think so just telling it.

None taken.

I still think there is a limit on the amount of, say for example, image hosting sites that can make money. Putting a turnkey script on a bad domain doesn't make it a good site.

When normal people don't visit an image hosting site then that site doesn't make money. They'd rather visit a site with a shorter, better, easier to remember name or a site with more features.

When the turnkey site owners and buyers realise the image hosting site market is flooded and people have more than enough image hosting sites on the internet they'll no longer purchase turnkey image hosting sites.

As such, turnkey image hosting sites won't be sold, they won't be made and they'll have to change to survive.

Turnkey won't die as such, it'll just have to keep coming up with different ideas because the market can only take so many sites before it becomes saturated and the sites then fail to make enough money.

I believe turnkey proxy sites and image hosting sites are at this point. There's too many for the market and ultimately some will fail and these types of turnkey sites won't be popular any more with buyers, and then sellers.

Thats just my opinion, I love to be proven wrong!

 

[xlguy]

Hehe, lets not turn this in to a thread about the rights and wrongs of turnkeys. As I said, as long as a site (whether based on a turnkey script or custom) has traffic and revenue then I consider that 'developed' and a possibly good buy. The problem is that the Developed Sites forum is mainly full of what I consider 'parked' domains - i.e. they may have some design and software but 'developed' means more - i.e. people use it, it generates money, etc. I guess it all comes down to different people's ideas of what the word means.

Here's the kind of thread I'd remove/move if I could:
http://www.namepros.com/developed-s...ls-articles-hosting-directory-wallpapers.html

 

[drifta]

a developed website is a site turnkey or not that already has a steady stream of traffic/revenue

what im seeing alot is people buying a domain such as gamearcadeforpeopleonline.bz then 2 days later slapping on a standard arcade script and the same 1000 or game packages as everyone else.
then doing it again tomorrow...

it does suck wasting somewhat valuable time sifting thru the rubbish to find a good site.. so i just stopped looking