Too many turnkey sites!

[cvxdes]

I'm looking to buy a site, a nice developed one. I'm not looking for 10000000000 proxies, arcades, image hosting sites, cpanel hosting sites, and whatever other scripts you can just throw up and call it developed.

I'm looking for hand coded, unique sites. That I can actually work with!

Could there be a subforum for Turnkey sites? So people who have proxies and such and post there, and other sites can be in the developed section.

 

[neroux]

This has been already brought up several times and I still agree.

http://www.namepros.com/namepros-info-and-suggestions/86592-developed-sites-section-suggestion.html
http://www.namepros.com/namepros-in...eveloped-websites-forum-full-of-turnkeys.html
http://www.namepros.com/namepros-info-and-suggestions/308959-developed-sites-for-sale.html

 

[Mark]

Even if we made separate sections ...... We cant get people to realize the difference between a script and a site ....

You really think they'll separate a Turnkey from a Deep Developed Site ?

 

[shockie]

proxies, arcades, image hosting sites, cpanel hosting sites...

those are some fairly obvious turnkeys right there. i think the defining difference is how unique the site is. if it mainly consists of a script that many other people have, then turnkey no? and if they don't separate turnkey from developed we can always slap them on the wrist :notme:

 

[RJ]

I added a poll to the thread with the two options we've been considering. Let's get some votes...

 

[Pound]

Sure, some people would make mistakes in where they list their sites, but it would at least help specify the vast majority of sites listed.

 

[Brian]

I only consider them to still be "turnkey" sites if they havn't had heavy development/promotion/design changes. Like if someone had a heavily developed Arcade side with a unique look and feel, I would not want to see that site in the turnkey section as I would probably never see it there, but would probably be interested in it if I saw it in the developed site section.

 

[WuLabsWuTecH]

I think dealing with people selling turnkey sites is just something you have to deal with. There are a lot of other places where you could argue the same thing. A lot of domains that are just mediocre being posted in the for sale area tha tyou have to sift through to get to somehting you like. In the NP$ incentives area there are a lot of people wanting delicious, stumble and the rest. If you create a subcategory just based on the fact that they are getting in the way, then its not a good reason, but if there are enough to fill their own forum, go for it, but we'll see a lot of arguments and confusion over what constitutes a turnkey site.

 

[.X.]

Even if we made separate sections ...... We cant get people to realize the difference between a script and a site ....

You really think they'll separate a Turnkey from a Deep Developed Site ?

Ditto Mark, I voted "Do Nothing" Because it wouldn't make difference as Mark said, In my opinion, So many people can't tell the difference between a turnkey site and unique site, It just wouldn't be worth making a sub forum for imo

 

[cvxdes]

You could classify a turnkey site as a site that takes less than 3 hours of coding. Not including setup (Filling out forms, options, and settings)

Or any script which was downloaded from another site, and uploaded to another site, where only the options were changed, with no major changes to the coding or design.

I dont know, then you could have one of those things like DP has, that you have to do that check box whenever you make a new topic, but make it say "I'm sure this is the right forum"

 

[deleted984054565403]

There are many sites that are borderline turnkey, but still have unique content or features. The only possible way that would ever end this "issue" would be to have moderator approval of threads -- the moderator would move the thread before it's actually posted.

Realistically speaking, do you really think anyone would market their site as a turnkey site for sale? No one will post in their threads, "This is a turnkey site!" or label their thread.

There are too many outs for the turnkeyers... as much as it would be nice to separate useful sales posts from useless ones, it's simply not realistic. :td:

Voted "do nothing"

 

[psalzmann]

Then make 1 more forum dedicated to only PURE UNIQUE developed scripts. That will solve all problems. If anyone has taken the time to work 2 days, 1 week or 1 month on something nobody else offers or has, it get's posted in the unique sites section.

I hardly visit the marketplace on here anymore. I'm tired of arcades, proxies and the likes. Hotscripts anyone? The only positive thing I see with all these nonsense scripts is it increases the post count of this forum. Great for the owner, terrible for the end users who are sifting through all the same stuff.

Kids trying to make a buck off everyone else's efforts. It's terrible. Let's turn the tables. Sitepoint is shining bright right about now with their newly introduced categories. It's clear, simple and precise. They have begun to filter out the nonsense.

Couldn't we do the same? WITHOUT the overhead of a listing fee? Actually, I would pay to promote my "unique developed script" nobody else offers in this section for a small fee to NP. That's for sure. Business is business. You help me, I'll surely return the favor.

 

[deleted984054565403]

Then make 1 more forum dedicated to only PURE UNIQUE developed scripts. That will solve all problems. If anyone has taken the time to work 2 days, 1 week or 1 month on something nobody else offers or has, it get's posted in the unique sites section.

That would work, but what about people selling developed forums? The script itself isn't unique, but the site is developed and populated, and may even have partnerships/sponsors. If someone were selling a site just because of a script, they'd probably have the most luck selling the script, not the site.

Just my thoughts...

 

[RJ]

I guess we need to define what a "turnkey" site is.

To me, a turnkey site is one that uses a pre-existing script and/or content to create a visitor experience identical to another existing site. It's an "out-of-the-box" website like those you would find from dotcombuilder.com or ProZilla. It may also be a site that a programmer or web designer has already to plans to resell again under another domain with little change in content.

A forum would not be considered a turnkey site if it had posts and members.

A site using an original script that only took a few minutes/hours to program would not be considered a turnkey site, unless that developer plans to resell it again.

A simple logo, header, css, or design change on a turnkey site does not make it an original site.

RJ

 

[Eric]

I guess we need to define what a "turnkey" site is.

To me, a turnkey site is one that uses a pre-existing script and/or content to create a visitor experience identical to another existing site. It's an "out-of-the-box" website like those you would find from dotcombuilder.com or ProZilla. It may also be a site that a programmer or web designer has already to plans to resell again under another domain with little change in content.

A forum would not be considered a turnkey site if it had posts and members.

A site using an original script that only took a few minutes/hours to program would not be considered a turnkey site, unless that developer plans to resell it again.

A simple logo, header, css, or design change on a turnkey site does not make it an original site.

RJ

I would agree with that definition, that's how I see them as well. Not sure which way I want to vote yet though.

 

[cvxdes]

Turnkey: N (tûrn'kē')
A site based on an existing script which was intended for use on multiple domains with or without design changes, and no major modifications.

 

[ChrisChris]

I voted do nothing.

IMO it would cause too many problems. When I purchase a site, it doesn't bother me if its turnkey or not - as long as I like the way it operates/ looks, has decent traffic and proven revue.

 

[abdussamad]

I guess we need to define what a "turnkey" site is.

To me, a turnkey site is one that uses a pre-existing script and/or content to create a visitor experience identical to another existing site. It's an "out-of-the-box" website like those you would find from dotcombuilder.com or ProZilla. It may also be a site that a programmer or web designer has already to plans to resell again under another domain with little change in content.

A forum would not be considered a turnkey site if it had posts and members.

A site using an original script that only took a few minutes/hours to program would not be considered a turnkey site, unless that developer plans to resell it again.

A simple logo, header, css, or design change on a turnkey site does not make it an original site.

RJ

I have about 4 url shortening sites. While the concept of a url shortening site is not original the script that these sites use is my own program and it is shared by all the sites. That means that the sites perform similarly and look similar as well. So does that make them turnkey or not?

 

[cvxdes]

I have about 4 url shortening sites. While the concept of a url shortening site is not original the script that these sites use is my own program and it is shared by all the sites. That means that the sites perform similarly and look similar as well. So does that make them turnkey or not?

Sounds like a turnkey. Let me revise that definition:

Turnkey: N (tûrn'kē')
A site based on an existing site or script, which was made to emulate or clone another site, and was intended for use on multiple domains with or without design changes, and no major modifications.

 

[Matthew.]

Even if we made separate sections ...... We cant get people to realize the difference between a script and a site ....

You really think they'll separate a Turnkey from a Deep Developed Site ?

I think that if sites like sitepoint can do it why cannot namepros? If you introduce a set of clear points like sitepoint has done then of course there will be a bit of a "teething" period where people are posting in the wrong place - but I think that's what staff are for really...

Given time it would work :imho: