"Define Legit Traffic"

[Kenny]

This is carried over from another thread...

Have at it boys and girls.

Cy

 

[Donny]

I personally don't have a problem with the traffic that Varon is talking about. But it also depends on the volume of the traffic. If this is the only place you are getting any traffic than there may be an issue. But if this is just part of your traffic it's fine. A long time ago when dmoz was really popular, I remember a friend was making close to $10k a month because he was an editor and he would create domains in all of the popular categories, he would then send that traffic to advertisers. It was legit traffic, but again is a majority of his traffic from this one location? Or does it come from all over? I think it also depends on where the traffic is coming from. If you are getting a lot of hits from dmoz which everybody has heard of I think the traffic is more reliable. If the traffic is coming from some fly by night directory that nobody has ever heard of, then we at least have to look at the traffic and the referrals.

Donny

 

[Varon]

I personally don't have a problem with the traffic that Varon is talking about. But it also depends on the volume of the traffic. If this is the only place you are getting any traffic than there may be an issue. But if this is just part of your traffic it's fine. A long time ago when dmoz was really popular, I remember a friend was making close to $10k a month because he was an editor and he would create domains in all of the popular categories, he would then send that traffic to advertisers. It was legit traffic, but again is a majority of his traffic from this one location? Or does it come from all over? I think it also depends on where the traffic is coming from. If you are getting a lot of hits from dmoz which everybody has heard of I think the traffic is more reliable. If the traffic is coming from some fly by night directory that nobody has ever heard of, then we at least have to look at the traffic and the referrals.

Donny

Thanks Donny. I guess along with DMOZ, we could also safely include the yahoo directory. Would that be correct?

This is slowly helping us get a better picture of legitimate accepted traffic sources. This will also broaden a domaineers options of monetizing his domain, and at the same time, the domain parking services too can benefit from quality driven converting traffic that need not restrictively be 100% pure type in. At the same time, are any incentives planned or currently being offered to domain owner's with high converting traffic? This would be a definite good move to encourage honest domaineers.

What are your thoughts on this?

 

[tubeBUCKET]

A very interesting thread, I've read every post at least twice

I have my site listed on 200+ directories. These are quality web directories where in fact, you have targeted visitors searching for related products. Most site submissions are grouped as per their PR ranks as well as the right categories. That means if I have a domain parking information site listed, someone interested would actually be first clicking 2-3 category links before viewing my listing. For example his navigation would be Home---Directory--Internet--Domain Names. There again he has more than 10-20 sites to choose from before he finally decides on visiting one.

As an advertiser this is exactly the kind of traffic I want. This a prime example of highly filtered traffic. By the time this example surfer lands on my product page he/she is an excellent prospect.

Somehow G & YaHoo put a spin on this. Convincing domain owners and parking companies this is 'bad' traffic. I'm just not buying that concept.

What I've not seen in this thread is much talk about advertisers. Keep in mind it takes $5 to open an AdWords account complete with an immediate line of credit. Or, for prepay, $10 if you use a Visa gift card you can buy at the local grocery store. That's a big percentage of the people you're doing (by proxy) business with.

 

[blaknite]

I guess I should clarify what I meant by "misrepresenting." I'm sure the parking companies can tell exactly where the traffic is coming from. If they have reason to check anyways. They can get that from the referrer data.

I'm saying the guy at the other end who's actually paying for the ad isn't given that information. He thinks he's buying ads from people who typed in your domain name. This isn't the case, therefore the product you are selling is misrepresented. I'm sure most advertisers are happy to have your traffic. As long as your traffic converts well for the advertiser nobody will ever complain.

Parking companies can't just come out and say thats ok because they would open the door for far worse. They must devalue or remove this type of traffic to avoid smartpricing.

 

[Varon]

A very interesting thread, I've read every post at least twice


As an advertiser this is exactly the kind of traffic I want. This a prime example of highly filtered traffic. By the time this example surfer lands on my product page he/she is an excellent prospect.

Somehow G & YaHoo put a spin on this. Convincing domain owners and parking companies this is 'bad' traffic. I'm just not buying that concept.

What I've not seen in this thread is much talk about advertisers. Keep in mind it takes $5 to open an AdWords account complete with an immediate line of credit. Or, for prepay, $10 if you use a Visa gift card you can buy at the local grocery store. That's a big percentage of the people you're doing (by proxy) business with.

There we go.... its nice to hear from actual advertisers. I am an adwords customer too and I initally had the content network turned off, to filter only actual search visitors. But I realized that the content network actually helps get you better conversions. I don't actually care which sites my ads show up on as long as I see the conversions. I don't even bother much about how those visitors landed on that site in the first place. And we are never told that too. So as long as certain targeted traffic gives you the bottom line goal of revenues, it doesn't matter much.

However, it looks like the feed providers have become paranoid about certain traffic sources, due to widespread click fraud and abuse in the past. They in turn seem to have turned the heat on the parking companies to discard these traffic sources. I can understand that even parking companies have their hands tied right now, but they need to be a bit more flexible just like how parked.com is evolving. Imo, today parked.com is the best option for any domaineer with multiple revenue stream generations.

As I said earlier, imagine a visitor first searching a keyword like "dedicated gaming servers" on google --- he then clicks a directory site result --- then clicks 2-3 times to navigate to the gaming server list---selects 1 from many ---then visits the parked page-- clicks the 2 click lander to arrive at the ads page--and then finally selects 1 from many to explore his buying options. What could be more targeted?

I'm also not trying to bulldoze my opinions that "directory links" or other site/blog backlinks are the best traffic sources, but would like parking companies to reconsider this great form of real targeted traffic as a huge potential buyers stream.

 

[DnPresident]

Quality Visitors

I 've seen a few posts on paying to be listed on directories, Here's a list of free directories that I've submitted one of my web sites to and it raised from around 3 visitors per day to around 100 per day already and it's only been about a month so the number may rise. The free directories I've listed are at this link. http://twilightresearch.com/creative.html

If anyone cares to PM me or post more on the paid to submit to web directories techniques that are most feesable for getting quality traffic I would really appreciate.

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[Kenny]

A very interesting thread, I've read every post at least twice


As an advertiser this is exactly the kind of traffic I want. This a prime example of highly filtered traffic. By the time this example surfer lands on my product page he/she is an excellent prospect.

Somehow G & YaHoo put a spin on this. Convincing domain owners and parking companies this is 'bad' traffic. I'm just not buying that concept.

What I've not seen in this thread is much talk about advertisers. Keep in mind it takes $5 to open an AdWords account complete with an immediate line of credit. Or, for prepay, $10 if you use a Visa gift card you can buy at the local grocery store. That's a big percentage of the people you're doing (by proxy) business with.

tubeBUCKET,
Welcome to NamePros and Welcome to this thread. :tu:

You represent the one (and most important IMO) faction we have yet to hear from, The Source, The Money.
Can you share a little of your history in regards to positive and/or negative experiences with your Ad Campaigns?

Thanks,
Cy

 

[.X.]

A very interesting thread, I've read every post at least twice


As an advertiser this is exactly the kind of traffic I want. This a prime example of highly filtered traffic. By the time this example surfer lands on my product page he/she is an excellent prospect.

Somehow G & YaHoo put a spin on this. Convincing domain owners and parking companies this is 'bad' traffic. I'm just not buying that concept.

What I've not seen in this thread is much talk about advertisers. Keep in mind it takes $5 to open an AdWords account complete with an immediate line of credit. Or, for prepay, $10 if you use a Visa gift card you can buy at the local grocery store. That's a big percentage of the people you're doing (by proxy) business with.

Welcome to NamePros .. tubeBUCKET :wave:

Me personally, I couldn't agree with you more.

We are beginning to break ground here, So many awesome posts, and informative information. :tu:

 

[.X.]

I have spoken with two parking Reps by phone today, Both asked that i not post there company names, I can respect that, And wont do so, One had a different view than the other.

#1 Said : First off, They are evaluating portfolios submitted, very carefully, Before approving them, thier reasoning was, They are not accepting domain names of poor quality, I asked about methods of driving traffic, what is acceptable, what is not acceptable, I feel they some what dodged this question with me, They said , ofcouse "Typin" traffic is acceptable, when i asked about any other forms of traffic, They were sketchy at best, letting me know what other forms of traffic they find acceptable, I was told, Some search engine traffic is allowed, Some web directories would be considered acceptable, When i gave them examples of what search engines and web directories where allowed, They pretty much changed the subject. It was a great converstaion over all, Less informative than i would liked though.

#2 Said: With thier specific monetization methods, That will produce traffic in it's own, I asked them to please elaborate a little more on how this will bring traffic to a domain, They pretty much wanted to ditch that topic, and move on, I asked them if , search engine and web directory traffic is acceptable, rather paid for or not, They said they didn't have a problem with search engine traffic, as long as the vistors themselves, did not have incentive to click on anything, I then asked, what about web directories, They seemed a bit confused, So i gave them some examples, They said, It would be depending on each specific web directory, as to whether the traffic would be acceptable, I found that totally understandable, Not each web directory is created equal, In my studies, I did find some web directories, that did send "false" traffic, I felt the conversation went well all over all, They were not a specific to traffic origions allowed, as i would have liked them to been though.

I have yet to speak with ..Donny ..from Parked.com , I apologize ..Donny, The day is running by very fast, I will call you either tomorrow, or wednesday, Tommorow iam swamped at work, But will try to touch base with you tomorrow

 

[Varon]

I haven't heard back from Britt (parking panel) and will contact him tomorrow. I'm currently traveling for work and may not have much time to contact some parking reps. However, I have sent a note to another lesser known parking provider and I'm very interested to get their feedback. Hopefully they should join in.

 

[tubeBUCKET]

I have spoken with two parking Reps by phone today, Both asked that i not post there company names, I can respect that, And wont do so, One had a different view than the other.

#1 Said : First off, They are evaluating portfolios submitted, very carefully, Before approving them, thier reasoning was, They are not accepting domain names of poor quality, I asked about methods of driving traffic, what is acceptable, what is not acceptable, I feel they some what dodged this question with me, They said , ofcouse "Typin" traffic is acceptable, when i asked about any other forms of traffic, They were sketchy at best, letting me know what other forms of traffic they find acceptable, I was told, Some search engine traffic is allowed, Some web directories would be considered acceptable, When i gave them examples of what search engines and web directories where allowed, They pretty much changed the subject. It was a great converstaion over all, Less informative than i would liked though.

#2 Said: With thier specific monetization methods, That will produce traffic in it's own, I asked them to please elaborate a little more on how this will bring traffic to a domain, They pretty much wanted to ditch that topic, and move on, I asked them if , search engine and web directory traffic is acceptable, rather paid for or not, They said they didn't have a problem with search engine traffic, as long as the vistors themselves, did not have incentive to click on anything, I then asked, what about web directories, They seemed a bit confused, So i gave them some examples, They said, It would be depending on each specific web directory, as to whether the traffic would be acceptable, I found that totally understandable, Not each web directory is created equal, In my studies, I did find some web directories, that did send "false" traffic, I felt the conversation went well all over all, They were not a specific to traffic origions allowed, as i would have liked them to been though.

I have yet to speak with ..Donny ..from Parked.com , I apologize ..Donny, The day is running by very fast, I will call you either tomorrow, or wednesday, Tommorow iam swamped at work, But will try to touch base with you tomorrow

I'm not sure why you would want to do business with anyone who is "sketchy" or someone that "wanted to ditch that topic" or who "seemed a bit confused". So someone who works with 1000's of domain names on a daily basis has no solid policy? Or they're doing something they don't care to divulge? Strange.

 

[.X.]

I'm not sure why you would want to do business with anyone who is "sketchy" or someone that "wanted to ditch that topic" or who "seemed a bit confused". So someone who works with 1000's of domain names on a daily basis has no solid policy? Or they're doing something they don't care to divulge? Strange.

Each one stated, They have a solid policy, I think perhaps it was the more the case that they didn't want to divulge, I can understand thier position to an extent, from a business stand point. I don't need pertinent information on exactly how a company runs thier operations, I am in no way looking for that, I am just wanting direct answers concerning what types of traffic , different companies find acceptable, and not acceptable.

 

[slim]

John and Veron, you guys are doing wonderfully job , please dont give up keep doing what you doing, don't be discourage from some of us who dont post a lot is not like we ignore you guys is just becouse we dont have much to offer. :hearts:

 

[.X.]

John and Veron, you guys are doing wonderfully job , please dont give up keep doing what you doing, don't be discourage from some of us who dont post a lot is not like we ignore you guys is just becouse we dont have much to offer. :hearts:

Thank You very much for the kind words..Slim...They are much appreciated, We wont be giving up, I promise you and everyone that, If anything, We will be working harder, This is just the beginning, We have a good ways to go

 

[.X.]

Here are couple of articles i found interesting and informative

http://domainsmagazine.com/Domains_8/Domain_8020.shtml

I invite and encourage, Each and everyone, Who has an interest in this discussion, to join in, We are just at the beginning, of what will what turn into a "Parking & Domain Monetization Online Conference" here at NamePros, We are inviting each and every parking company, to be a part of this, We hope that most will accept our invitation with open arms.

If you are a domain parker, Then you most probably have a vested interest in this discussion, Please join us

 

[DnPresident]

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If you are a domain parker, Then you most probably have a vested interest in this discussion, Please join us

Is there anything else your trying to accomplish besides what kinds of traffic each parking company allows?

What I've needed to know for the last year or so is how to take parking revenue to the next level but as all domainers focused in parking revenue know, It's not easy to get seasoned vets to tell all or anything helpful in that aspect.

Even in this thread there are hints such as paid directories but no real step by step help. Anyone can submit to directories but knowing how to get the most bang for your buck is another.

I'd like to be at the $20-100,000 per month in revenue from top quality visitors to my names some time this year and could use some direction.

I've already submitted the link in an earlier post here to several free directories and on that same page on the left column of links there's some good free search engine submission links. That's probably the most important thing I've done that has seemed to actually assist in gaining quality targeted visitors. I have some lettering on my vehicles and am thinking about displaying some on one of those big road side digital displays.

I've even posted here at NamePros that I'm Looking for Anyone living in or around Kentucky to get together on a regular basis, possibly form a group to share information, ideas and strategies.

I'm hoping people start sharing some info that can actually help. I'm not interested in hearing ~Got your phone number~ and mumbo jumbo, behind the scenes talk that I'm not directly involved in. I want action, numbers, direction, How to Increase quality visitors and Revenue. Tired of the run around.

 

[.X.]

Is there anything else your trying to accomplish besides what kinds of traffic each parking company allows?

What I've needed to know for the last year or so is how to take parking revenue to the next level but as all domainers focused in parking revenue know, It's not easy to get seasoned vets to tell all or anything helpful in that aspect.

Even in this thread there are hints such as paid directories but no real step by step help. Anyone can submit to directories but knowing how to get the most bang for your buck is another.

I'd like to be at the $20-100,000 per month in revenue from top quality visitors to my names some time this year and could use some direction.

I've already submitted the link in an earlier post here to several free directories and on that same page on the left column of links there's some good free search engine submission links. That's probably the most important thing I've done that has seemed to actually assist in gaining quality targeted visitors. I have some lettering on my vehicles and am thinking about displaying some on one of those big road side digital displays.

I've even posted here at NamePros that I'm Looking for Anyone living in or around Kentucky to get together on a regular basis, possibly form a group to share information, ideas and strategies.

I'm hoping people start sharing some info that can actually help. I'm not interested in hearing ~Got your phone number~ and mumbo jumbo, behind the scenes talk that I'm not directly involved in. I want action, numbers, direction, How to Increase quality visitors and Revenue. Tired of the run around.

What you are asking for, Is information people have spent hours- weeks- days , and even months to be able achieve, I understand your frustrations, But it is very unlike MOST domainers to reveal resources, I have many great friends here at, NamePros, But i don't expect, and know they are not going to give me
pertainant information as to how they accomplish things, It's not a written rule in the industry, But is exercised by most domainers.

Parking companies wont be giving out any pertainant information as to thier operations, That just isn't going to happen, That is how they make thier living, and anyone should be able to understand why they wouldn't share such pertainant information.

You aren't getting the run around, Do research and some testing, you will find methods to use in domaining, You would have never thought exsisted. Starting as you did, By submitting to search engines, is a great start, imo .. Keep digging, you will find many valuable resources
:tu:

This thread is not just limited to the topic "What origions of traffic each individual parking service allows" It is here to cover a broadd spectrum of issues pertaing to domain parking, But how you can make more money doing it, isn't one of them.

The focus is on PPC per individual companies, Monetization each offers, Customer Service, Traffic Origions allowed via each individual company, and the list goes on.

 

[DnPresident]

But how you can make more money doing it, isn't one of them.

The focus is on PPC per individual companies, Monetization each offers, Customer Service, Traffic Origions allowed via each individual company, and the list goes on.

PPC each company offers,Monitization and traffic origins aren't pertaining to earning money?

Guess I misunderstood why I was domaining....... No come to think about it I didn't, It is about earning the highest revenue while maintaining the highest quality visitors to advertisers.

You speak of people investing hours,days weeks, Since February I spend probably 10-15 hours each day M-F and then probably another 10 hours on the weekends reading, sorting, correcting keywords and landers and much much more to obtain and maintain the highest CTR possible with only relevant content for my visitors.

I'll get there because I'm waaay to damn persistent & hungry to fail at this.

As far as asking for something, yeah I guess I am. All I can get is no or yes.

 

[hitchhiker]

John,

what you should do is to start a parking company and use your techniques on the entire portfolio of domains thats parking with you. Every parking company talks about how they can "optimize" conversion rate but no one ACTUALLY claims to drive more TRAFFIC to the domains. . .

I'll be the first one to sign up!

BTW, do you have an example of a domain you have "improved"?

Thank You very much for the kind words..Slim...They are much appreciated, We wont be giving up, I promise you and everyone that, If anything, We will be working harder, This is just the beginning, We have a good ways to go

 

[.X.]

John,

what you should do is to start a parking company and use your techniques on the entire portfolio of domains thats parking with you. Every parking company talks about how they can "optimize" conversion rate but no one ACTUALLY claims to drive more TRAFFIC to the domains. . .

I'll be the first one to sign up!

BTW, do you have an example of a domain you have "improved"?

That would be awesome! Only if i had they money to fund it, It's an ever revolving door in the parking industry today, I can only imagine what kind of funding it takes, To be able to operate a parking company.

Optimizing and keyword to content monetization, Still remains a problem with some parking compnaies, While others are doing a fantastic job, Landing pages , Layouts, Feed Monetization relevence, These are key to the success of nice CTR, With Web2.0 emerging, I think we will see some new parking companies come into the industry with more modern technology.

I can't post a name i have parked, But i can give you a great example of a name i own, I had this name parked for a very long time, It was making revenue, But i decided i wanted to give development a shot with it, It took less than 3 months and the name is a PR 3 , It has almost 400 backlinks to it, And what some may find interesting, It is a Dot US :o , The same methods that i use in domain parking, were used in this sites development.www.Goodies.us

Thanks for your input.. hitchhiker.... Much appreciated