"Define Legit Traffic"

[Kenny]

This is carried over from another thread...

Have at it boys and girls.

Cy

 

[slim]

:lala: very nice
Go parked

 

[Kenny]

Donny,

I have a few names which I own in multiple ext's.
The com and the net get close to equal traffic on one in particular, but of course the com gets more clicks. 93% ctr
Could I fwd the net of the same name to the com?

Cy

 

[.X.]

Donny,

Thanks for weighing in. Your input is vital to this thread.
-X- has asked a couple of times for reps from the different services to join this thread... since you are right there with them, could you ask them to at least have a look and if they feel they can contribute in any way or just give us a their companies version of "Legit Traffic" it would really clear up a lot of the mystery and may save some domainer from make a fatal (TOS wise) mistake.

Thanks,
Kenny

That would be awesome...Thx Cyber....Hopefuly they will join us, and clarify thier positions on the questions we have raised, Thanks Donny for taking the time to pop in and clarify Parked.com position on these questions, We very much appreciate it! :tu: Props to Parked.com

 

[blaknite]

yes.

Donny

This has me somewhat confused, as it states clearly in parked.com's terms of service that any form of paid traffic is NOT allowed and will result in losing your parking revenue. Go to parked.com click on the terms of service link thats on the main page, and scroll down to section "G" Its there, plain as day.


As for the folks with "hudreds of good domains with no traffic" are they really good domains if they have no typein traffic? If you asked me, I'd say no.

 

[.X.]

This has me somewhat confused, as it states clearly in parked.com's terms of service that any form of paid traffic is NOT allowed and will result in losing your parking revenue. Go to parked.com click on the terms of service link thats on the main page, and scroll down to section "G" Its there, plain as day.


As for the folks with "hudreds of good domains with no traffic" are they really good domains if they have no typein traffic? If you asked me, I'd say no.

I'd say your are wrong, Do your domains get typin traffic, and i don't mean names that have been fed and raised already, newly regged names? And with that being said, How do you purpose to get traffic to those new names?

I think Donny made his position clear on the use of adwords with Parking.com , It is there TOS, Perhaps they have changed it, But have not posted the revised TOS...none the less, He made it clear.

 

[Donny]

Donny,

I have a few names which I own in multiple ext's.
The com and the net get close to equal traffic on one in particular, but of course the com gets more clicks. 93% ctr
Could I fwd the net of the same name to the com?

Cy

Cyberian - This isn't really allowed.

Donny

 

[Kenny]

Yea, I guess I knew that... but hey, I took a shot. :D

Thanks Donny

Cy

 

[NP41215]

Let's try the logic and parking scenarios here and see what they lead to. Following are hypotheticals but they can certainly happen in real life, obviously, because the scenarios are so easy to create. Personally, I’ve yet to try any of them, but I am certainly curious as to their legitimacy and about what you guys think.

(a) Rule: Presumably one can alternate between two or more sets of content, but always still under or showing the same domain name. Visitors are directed on a random basis, e.g. iMonetize. You can have unique content on your parking page. In fact, useful content should be a plus and should be encouraged, e.g. Bodis, TrafficZ. It follows that one or more such random web pages that serve visitors to the domain can, though need not, have content. If so, it follows that one can have a content site periodically directed to one of its alternative forms, including one that contains purely parking links, as long as there is relevancy. If so, a domain that covers stocks during the regular trading days can change to a parking page with just links to stock topics and related products and services on weekends. Here the parking links on weekends are stock-related and consistent with the stock focus of weekdays. Visitors are thus properly targeted with potentially useful services and products. No problems so far?

(b) Rule: You cannot re-direct traffic from one domain to a different one., e.g. you cannot redirect visitors of your news domain to one for gambling. OK, that’s fair But how about this, you have developed Cats.Com into a parking website containing some unique, useful content on cats and you also have the domain Cat.com sitting idle. Can you simply redirect traffic from Cat.Com to the web pages for Cats.Com? What if instead of Cat.Com sitting idly, you have Cats.Net? Now how about redirecting traffic from Cats.Com to Pets.Com?, i.e. a subset to a superset.? Now how about the reverse, from Pets.Com to Cats.Com, i.e. from a super-set to a subset?

(c) Rule: Cross-Linking Not Allowed? Continuing with the Cat.Com and Cats.Com scenario, let’s say your Cats.Com is very well-developed, but not Cat.Com. Instead of duplicating Cats.Com totally, you decide to write something new and different about cats in Cat.Com, but provide a link from Cat.Com to Cats.Com on other cat topics already well-developed in Cats.Com. Isn’t such linking a legitimate way of creating relevant cat content? If so, what if you link to other cat-focused websites created by others due to useful content there? What if other cat-focused websites create links to yours due to your useful content? Note that such cross-linking may make the cross-linked sites more useful to visitors and therefore increase the overall traffic to all the cross-linked sites.

I can write more scenarios, but this post would get too long. So let me pause here and see what feedback we get.

 

[Donny]

Personally I don't have a problem with people redirecting cat.com to cats.com, but if an advertiser sees it and complains to one of our providers. You lose both cat.com and cats.com. So that's why I really don't recommend it.

Donny

 

[NP41215]

Personally I don't have a problem with people redirecting cat.com to cats.com, but if an advertiser sees it and complains to one of our providers. You lose both cat.com and cats.com. So that's why I really don't recommend it.

Donny

Thanks for your opinion.

Continuing with Cat.Com and Cats.Com example. Can I put a clickable link on Cat.Com that, when clicked, takes the visitor to Cats.Com?

If not, can I mention Cats.Com on Cat.Com but the word Cats.Com is not clickable? In other words, I am making the visitor having to manually type "Cats.Com", i.e. typed-in traffic, in order to visit Cats.Com, even though he/she learned about Cats.Com from Cat.Com?

What I am leading up to is whether one can mention on his website, A, about another website B, as long as the URL for B is not clickable?

Thanks for your advice and/or opinions.

 

[Mike Robertson]

Hi all,

I'd just like to offer some insight into what we (Fabulous.com) consider to be high quality traffic and what traffic is considered low quality or suspect.

The best quality traffic on the internet is "Primary Traffic". In order for traffic to be primary it required that the user types something using the keyboard. A user has an original thought like "I needs some tools" and they live in Houston. They then type either "houston tools" in a search engine or houstontools.com into an address bar. The user is having an original thought that is actioned without being enticed by an offer of reward or having ads pushed at them.

When a user clicks on links, gets a SPAM e-mail, has a banner pushed at them and is tricked into clicking the traffic is NOT primary traffic.

We can further classify this traffic as either generic or brandable intent :

Generic Intent: The houstontools.com domain can also be used as an example of a domain with generic intent. The user actions an original thought for a generic product, service or information. They want tools in Houston and the intent is generic in nature and clear. The user has primarily qualified themselves to have a strong interest in a particular product or service and therefore, given relevant ads/listings are available the likelihood of click through, leading to purchase is greatly increased.

Branded Intent: This is when a user has typed in a domain expecting to find a specific business or product they already know and make a mistake in finding it. An example of this would be microsof.com, mysonyproductsonline.com, or xo55het.com. These domains are representative of either trademark infringement, typographical error or unsensical traffic. It is apparent that the user either didn't know what they wanted or are not getting what they expected. These domains produce large quantities of traffic with a very low conversion rate for the advertiser.

To further illustrate the difference; let’s say someone wants to buy a new computer, so they type www.computers.com directly into their address bar of their browser. This is an example of direct navigation with generic intent. On the other hand, if they were to type in www.Dell.com this would be direct navigation with brandable intent.

As such, we have found that commercial English language .com domains (those that consist of two-three word generic keyterm/phrases) with generic intent type-in value yield the best result for the advertiser. They also are the domains that are accepted into and produce the best revenue for the affiliate in the Fabulous.com 4.0 program.

What is unacceptable traffic?

Forms of traffic that are generated by, but are not limited to:
- redirection of one domain name to another
- hyperlinks to other domain names
- email messages
- newsgroups
- message boards / forums / chat rooms / guest books
- banner network
- incentivized / paid to click

All mediums mentioned above have the ability to generate high volumes of traffic, yet because it may be forced, misleading, basically of an un-natural or questionable disposition, the quality is dramatically reduced. In effect, most instances result in the publishers reducing advertising expenditure, lowering PPC, thus offering a lower PPC to all affiliates involved.

This traffic is unacceptable for monetizing via Fabulous.com and anyone whose domains receive traffic from these sources should consider another program.

Chers,

Mike
Fabulous.com

 

[Kenny]

Mike,

Thank you for clarifying the Fabulous position on this highly debated topic.

We appreciate the time spent by you coming forward to help us out.

Peace,
Cy

 

[.X.]

Excellent Information..Mike....Thank You for establishing Fabulous.com...Position on this topic.

I am hoping to see more Reps from parking services post in this thread, I think they will

 

[slim]

Thanks mike for speaking your position where are Sedo and others?

 

[.X.]

Thanks mike for speaking your position where are Sedo and others?

Hopefuly they will make a presence in this discussion.

If "Badger" could touch base = 1Plus.net and the upcoming iModo.com

A Rep from Bodis.com

While we await other parking company Reps to join in, That would be great!

 

[NP41215]

Hi all,

I'd just like to offer some insight into what we (Fabulous.com) consider to be high quality traffic and what traffic is considered low quality or suspect.

[...]

What is unacceptable traffic?

Forms of traffic that are generated by, but are not limited to:
[...]
- newsgroups
- message boards / forums / chat rooms
[...]
All mediums mentioned above have the ability to generate high volumes of traffic,

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This traffic is unacceptable for monetizing via Fabulous.com and anyone whose domains receive traffic from these sources should consider another program.

Chers,

Mike
Fabulous.com

Hi, Mike:

I appreciate your input.

Just for further discussion on this important topic, let me share my personal experience a bit here:

I seek out and buy most products and services only after reading the messages that discuss or debate them, posted typically in forums and newsgroups, message boards, etc. While it is possible that hypesters may tout certain brands, they are rather easily detected, and are often quickly corrected/criticized by other discussion participants, who will usually suggest better alternatives and give reasons why.

For example, here at NamePros, I learned about Bodis.Com from the thread that discussed about it. I've not used Parked.Com, but my review of the messages shows that it is probably worth checking into in the future. I also read very positive reviews and opinions, which I have no doubt are sincere and true, about Fabulous.Com, and so on.

Most of the time, when someone recommends a product or service, I usually google the relevant keyword(s), not for immediate purchase, but to see if there are shortcomings, and more importantly, if there is something better out there. So forums, message boards, newsgroups are extremely important as sources of information for user feedback and my buying decisions. More than half of the time, I end up finding worthy alternatives that should also be evaluated before I make my final decision.

Therefore, to think that traffic from mentions in messages are inferior is probably not quite correct, at least not in my case. When Brand A is favorably mentioned, my first question is whether there is something better. So I may not visit Brand A at all, but will look for discussions of Brand A and specifically for situations where an allegedly better Brand B will be mentioned. Of course, there may or may not be a better Brand B, and so I may end up buying Brand A, or sometimes I'll buy both A and B (e.g. anti-virus software) because I find features I like in both that are not in the other.

Thus, I would consider such resultant traffic from intelligent discussions of a certain product or service, and its competitors and alternatives, to be the most valuable for a merchant, because it is the traffic of very serious, intelligent buyers who are all ready to buy, but just want to be sure they are making the right buying decisions. And when they do finally click on the links to Brand A or Brand B, they're essentially ready to place the orders.

NP

 

[blaknite]

What I am leading up to is whether one can mention on his website, A, about another website B, as long as the URL for B is not clickable?

My totally unqualified oppinion is that this would be promoting a brand rather than directing traffic. As such anyone who goes to the trouble to type it in really wants to see that second domain. (though I suspect they probably wouldn't if they knew it was full of ads) However where you'll run into trouble is by offering incentive or tricking people into thinking they will find something at that second domain.

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As to the idea of parking a stock market site on the weekends: Its a clever analogy but not practical. You would make far more income by putting non parking based ads on the site and keeping it live on the weekends. Remeber that in all but the rarest of cases the parking company keeps most of your revenue. If you're going to spend the effort to build a site why share the money?

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I'd say your are wrong, Do your domains get typin traffic, and i don't mean names that have been fed and raised already, newly regged names? And with that being said, How do you purpose to get traffic to those new names?

I think Donny made his position clear on the use of adwords with Parking.com , It is there TOS, Perhaps they have changed it, But have not posted the revised TOS...none the less, He made it clear.

I have about a dozen names that don't get any traffic. They don't make any money from parking, and rightfully so. I bought them because I like the names and I plan to develop them.

I also have about a dozen names that get good traffic and none of it ever came from bieng advertised. I have payed good money for these domains. Some upwards of $1000. I bought them because they really are good names. They get traffic on their own without advertisement. Mostly they are foreign language dictionary terms. I know dot com dictionary words are out of most peoples reach.

My whole point here is that parking is intended for people who have genuinely good domains to have a way to monetize the natural traffic they recieve. It isn't intended for people who have average or worse names to scam advertising companies.

 

[.X.]

My totally unqualified oppinion is that this would be promoting a brand rather than directing traffic. As such anyone who goes to the trouble to type it in really wants to see that second domain. (though I suspect they probably wouldn't if they knew it was full of ads) However where you'll run into trouble is by offering incentive or tricking people into thinking they will find something at that second domain.

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As to the idea of parking a stock market site on the weekends: Its a clever analogy but not practical. You would make far more income by putting non parking based ads on the site and keeping it live on the weekends. Remeber that in all but the rarest of cases the parking company keeps most of your revenue. If you're going to spend the effort to build a site why share the money?

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I have about a dozen names that don't get any traffic. They don't make any money from parking, and rightfully so. I bought them because I like the names and I plan to develop them.

I also have about a dozen names that get good traffic and none of it ever came from bieng advertised. I have payed good money for these domains. Some upwards of $1000. I bought them because they really are good names. They get traffic on their own without advertisement. Mostly they are foreign language dictionary terms. I know dot com dictionary words are out of most peoples reach.

My whole point here is that parking is intended for people who have genuinely good domains to have a way to monetize the natural traffic they recieve. It isn't intended for people who have average or worse names to scam advertising companies.

So the names you purchased for as much as $1,000 have traffic, That is understandable, But those names were new borns at one time themselves, Therefor they had to be raised and nurtured, Just as any new domain does, The methods used, Differ from person to person, I myself, I verify all my names with google, Get them site mapped, They are crawled monthly, And get indexed in googles search engine, I also submit my names to atleast 1000 PR4 to PR6 web directories, That brings nice traffic, doing the above, But i also use certain methods to drive more traffic to my names, As i have said, it took me a year to reserach and test these methods, Not to mention the cash i spent while i was testing, The methods bring 100% quality traffic to my names, There is absolutley no incentive for a person that visits my names, i target my traffic to come from the USA and Canada only, This meets the requirments of the majority of ad publishers, as well a domain parking services. I do understand where you are coming from, But in my case, My traffic is not scamming anyone, It is 100% legitimate, monetized traffic, That vists my names because of the specific niche, therefore they are looking for what i have to offer.

 

[Domainate.com]

From a parking standpoint, legit traffic:

- Type-ins

- Pre-existing link traffic (aka from links made to the existing site prior to purchase/parking - this includes directories and paid links again only if they're pre-existing, but NOT traffic exchanges under any circumstances)

- SE traffic, with paid SERPs allowed only again if it's pre-existing (no paying for SERPs to get traffic into a parked domain)

NOT legit traffic:

- Bot traffic, anything non-human

- Paid-for traffic via places like EasySiteHits and other traffic vendors

- Traffic exchanges and any links that encourage people to click links on the ensuing page

- Paid-for SERPs AFTER parking and any links made AFTER parking, as IMO links made are to be intended to lead people to a website...you are not supposed to lead people to a parked page

- ANY traffic achieved from advertising - online or offline. I've spoken with someone before who primarily made his parking revenue frmo advertising his names in the newspaper. Needless to say, his names were all crappy 3-word loan .info names and I only talked to him once.

Not sure if that covers everything, but it's what I could think of off the top of my head.

 

[Keral_Patel]

From a parking standpoint, legit traffic:

- Type-ins

- Pre-existing link traffic (aka from links made to the existing site prior to purchase/parking - this includes directories and paid links again only if they're pre-existing, but NOT traffic exchanges under any circumstances)

Then there is a loophole in this system. That says a person can make a website market it, build links and then park it.

I agree with your comments but can someone also comment on that loophole.

Thanks.