Creation of Earth

[0lgi]

Hello !

I was discussing with my classmates today about the creation of Earth and everyone had his own opinion , please what do you think ?
Do you believe in God and was He the creator of this Planet ?

What is My Opinion ?

Personally i dont believe in God , i also dont believe that weird Ev & Adam theory because then the question is how , from 2 people we are nowdays 6 billion ? You know perfectly that incest would occur (when you have relationship with your sister or cousin your children would be with problems)

So that is an absurd theory for me!

I believe everything was created by itself ! You will ask how ? Well there is a simple example , listen how it works :

Get a piece of cheese , let it for one or two months in the middle of a table and you will see that after a period of time there will be some worm-like structures! But also this theory isnt really valid as we all know that humans are multi-cellular organisms where as bacterias and worms are unicellular!

I have more to write

Olgi

 

[mis_chiff]

I am not trying to convince people that god doesn't exist. I am simply looking for answers to questions.
Why do the believers always avoid the questions?

If god is all knowing and omnipotent then why can he not prevent the hundreds of thousands of deaths every year due to natural causes?
Why can he not prevent the millions of deaths each year because of the evil of man?
Why does he allow creation of human beings if their only purpose is to die at a young age or in fact why is there mortality at all if the afterlife is so superior?




I could understand your point if in fact people died from old age, as in there is a finite number of years we can live.

You don't explain though why some people die as babys and children and young adults because of these "natural" disasters.
If god isn't causing them then why isn't he preventing them?

If I knew all those answers, I would write a book!
Unfortunately, I don't so I take life as it comes, good with the bad...
Illness, disease and old age can kill anyone at anytime.
I hope you find the answers you are so desperatly seeking, otherwise, will drive yourself insane. When I was younger I asked the same questions "how could god let this happen" I have learned to accept the fact that, some things just happen!
I know it's not much help, but it's all I have!
crazy!

 

[Sabre]

I think there are some questions that are just best left unanswered as we as a human could not possibly comprehend the truth.

I'm pretty sure it's beyond anything the human mind can understand.

 

[HHDomains]

He doesn't need to?

HHDomains, you always post in threads such as this one and argue with others but never make your own point. If you're going to keep posting, contribute to the conversation and say something useful or helpful.

He doesn't need to?
This is the best you can do?
Is this what explains your faith? god can do anything he likes and kill anyone he likes and he doesn't need to explain?

This is my problem with the faith. Blind faith is a very dangerous thing.

As far as me not contributing, what are your contributing?
I am trying to generate conversation on a significant issue which so many people seem to be trying to avoid.

What do you think you just "contributed" with your post? What "useful" posts have you made recently?

 

[mis_chiff]

Is this what explains your faith? god can do anything he likes and kill anyone he likes and he doesn't need to explain?

This is my problem with the faith. Blind faith is a very dangerous thing.

HH, this is a very difficult topic to get a unanimous verdict on, or a proper answer. We all have our views and beliefs there are so many different views, as none of us know the reasons or causes of such bad events where people die.
I can't speak for everyone, but I can tell you it took me years to accept the fact I cannot change them.
I just don't question it anymore - I just accept it !
Doesn't mean I agree or disagree with the outcome - If I don't have control over a situation - then the chips fall where they may!

 

[HHDomains]

Doesn't mean I agree or disagree with the outcome - If I don't have control over a situation - then the chips fall where they may!

I tend to disagree mis_chiff.
I can appreciate your position and on some levels I agree, but I am not yet ready to submit that I, or we, don't have any control.
I think we are very much in control of our destiny and the destiny of the world for that matter.

We cannot control nature but we can control the tangibles such as how we deal with evil and how we deal with morality.

 

[Dan]

How do you even know my position on this subject? I haven't said anything at all about it, yet you are saying I have blind faith about it. You don't even know what religion I am or anything at all about me. What does that say about you? It seems like you are the one with the ideas about faith and religion.

 

[mis_chiff]

I tend to disagree mis_chiff.
I can appreciate your position and on some levels I agree, but I am not yet ready to submit that I, or we, don't have any control.
I think we are very much in control of our destiny and the destiny of the world for that matter.

We cannot control nature but we can control the tangibles such as how we deal with evil and how we deal with morality.

Well, considering we know that smoking kills (I smoke as well)
and I still do it! That is me not taking control of my destiny,
BUT - I could light a smoke and walk out my house and get
plowed by a DRUNK driver...! I never even seen it coming!

And I don't drink - so this would really piss me off! That someone else's actions claimed my life because they chose not to stop drinking and driving.

That is an example of something I cannot change - and have to accept!

 

[Vorty]

We can't at this stage understand how the universe was created.

The easiest way to solve that question is "God did it."

The creation of earth it's easy to explain and there are very good theories around, but first we need to know how the universe was created. Ok the "Big Ban" is the best possibilty... but how something like that happens from nothing?

 

[-db-]

How do you even know my position on this subject? I haven't said anything at all about it, yet you are saying I have blind faith about it. You don't even know what religion I am or anything at all about me. What does that say about you? It seems like you are the one with the ideas about faith and religion.

Yeah, as far as we know, Dan could worship SpongeBob-SquarePants.

Or whatever that avatar character is that he's using.

:p

 

[HHDomains]

Well, considering we know that smoking kills (I smoke as well)
and I still do it! That is me not taking control of my destiny,
BUT - I could light a smoke and walk out my house and get
plowed by a DRUNK driver...! I never even seen it coming!

And I don't drink - so this would really piss me off! That someone else's actions claimed my life because they chose not to stop drinking and driving.

That is an example of something I cannot change - and have to accept!

There are always going to be intangibles but at the end of the day you are admitting that if you die of lung cancer it could very well be that you chose to smoke.
I could walk out onto the road and be run down by a drunk driver, but, perhaps if I was more carefull and noticed that drunk driver coming I could avoid it.
I don't disagree that there are things we cannot change because of incidentals but I certainly don't agree that we cannot change our own destiny, nor do I believe that we cannot change the path of the world in general.

 

[Wanda]

God is Good..
Seek Him.. and you will find Him..

His WORD is true, and it doth ask us to seek Him..

God is Good!

 

[-db-]

HH, I have a serious question for you....

If you are going to blame God for all the bad things in the world, to be fair, shouldn't you also be giving him credit for all the good things?

 

[HHDomains]

HH, I got a serious question for you....

If you are going to blame God for all the bad things in the world, to be fair, shouldn't you also be giving him credit for all the good things?

I am not blaming god for anything.
I don't believe in god.

I credit both good and bad in this world to the acts of man.
I credit the massive loss of life due to natural disaster as the intangibles we have to live with.

My question is how can those who do believe in god justify on one hand that he has the ability to create heaven and earth and the universe, and yet somehow doesn't have the ability to prevent the deaths of thousands of people from an earthquake or a tidal wave.

 

[Broker]

HHDomains, I'm just curious here and many many others feel the same way as you. When you say you dont believe in god may I ask why? Is it a matter of proof?

Thanks!

 

[TheBaldOne]

If any God of any religion is omnipotent and omnipresent and is the creator of all things then what are other life forms for, especially one such as humans whom this 'God' is meant to have given free will too?

Is 'God' all powerful?

Is 'God' all seeing?

Is 'God' all knowing?

Is 'God' not responsible?

Is 'God' something that needs to be praised?

Is 'God' worthy of such praise if he exists?

As 'God' is all knowing then he has seen that evolution will occur from his creations, if this is so why would a loving God allow any animal (including humans) to suffer prolonged agony from HIV, Tetanus, Polio, Plague, Cholera, etc., etc.?

If these things are 'natural' occurances it makes no difference, for 'God' has seen them as events that will occur (otherwise he is neither all powerful or all seeing). If 'God' says he gave man free will well what about all the other animals in the world, has an elephant not got free will as well, or a fish, or a spider, etc., etc.?

Religion can be a unifying force in society, give people a feeling of comfort that there is an explanation for things that are not understood, however, to follow a religion blindly requires that man must first give up his free will to question, to seek, to understand. For those of the Christian faith who blindly accept that the Bible is aliteral truth, the word of God, then may I ask the question which bible has this truth? Is it the original old Hebrew writings, or the Greek or Latin?

I would appreciate full and detailed answers to these points by any who think they are capable of giving such.

(My apologies for using the male character in this post, it should be 'It' as a non-sexist term.)

 

[HHDomains]

HHDomains, I'm just curious here and many many others feel the same way as you. When you say you dont believe in god may I ask why? Is it a matter of proof?

Thanks!

It's a matter of pragmatism. I am not ready to make that leap of faith in an entity I see no evidence of.
I prefer to deal with the tangibles in life. My family, my job, my health etc.

Even if god were to exist I still could not support an entity that care so little about human life as to allow the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people in the single sweep of a tsunami when supposedly he has the ability to prevent such an event.

 

[Broker]

You see no evidence of, however you believe in many other things which also provide no real evidence of it's existence either? As does everyone. Examples would be love, the mind, thoughts etc.

Surely you feel love for your friends and family as we all do. And we say "I love so and so". What is love? Something you feel and can not really prove. As is "God".

I can also say "I'm going to kill myself" so who am I really going to kill, Me or myself? LOL, just kidding.

There is one Supreme Ruler, the inmost Self of all beings,

who makes His one form manifold.

Eternal happiness belongs to the wise,

who perceive Him within themselves - not to others.

Vedas

 

[HHDomains]

I'm not sure that is a good analogy.
I feel love for family and for my wife because they are there. They are tangible entities that I can see and touch and therefore love.
When people speak of a love of god they are speaking of loving an intangible with no presence.

 

[mis_chiff]

When people speak of a love of god they are speaking of loving an intangible with no presence.

But they are baseing those feelings of love from what they feel from the heart.

A saying I remembered from years ago:

Faith is what your heart feels, and what the eyes can't see.
As with love - you don't see it, you feel it and believe in it!

Thought I'd share

 

[-db-]

Even if god were to exist I still could not support an entity that care so little about human life as to allow the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people in the single sweep of a tsunami when supposedly he has the ability to prevent such an event.

Still, you only mention the BAD things.

What about the "hundreds of thousands" of GOOD things?

If you are going to shout the problems, why aren't you singing the praises of an "entity" that brings healthy babies into the world, that brings love and kindness to so many people, that helps cancer patients survive years after doctors predicted their death, etc. etc. etc. etc.

No offense, but your argument seems one-sided and narrow minded to me.