Creation of Earth

[0lgi]

Hello !

I was discussing with my classmates today about the creation of Earth and everyone had his own opinion , please what do you think ?
Do you believe in God and was He the creator of this Planet ?

What is My Opinion ?

Personally i dont believe in God , i also dont believe that weird Ev & Adam theory because then the question is how , from 2 people we are nowdays 6 billion ? You know perfectly that incest would occur (when you have relationship with your sister or cousin your children would be with problems)

So that is an absurd theory for me!

I believe everything was created by itself ! You will ask how ? Well there is a simple example , listen how it works :

Get a piece of cheese , let it for one or two months in the middle of a table and you will see that after a period of time there will be some worm-like structures! But also this theory isnt really valid as we all know that humans are multi-cellular organisms where as bacterias and worms are unicellular!

I have more to write

Olgi

 

[-db-]

If god only does good and man only does evil then where was god in:

December of 2004 when 200,000 people died in a tsunami?
August of 2005 when hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans?
November of 1985 when a volcano killed 25,000 people in Colombia?
July of 1976 when an earthquake killed 500,000 in Tangshan, China?

These certainly were not man made occurences.

It's strange to me, that you are trying to blame God for those natural disasters. Furthermore, you don't know that man didn't help cause them (or speed them up) by the way we abuse our planet and environment.

Anyway, I'm surprised to see you posting again. You called those of us with different beliefs from your own "pathetic" and said you were done with this thread.

 

[Sabre]

I find it disheartening that people of different faiths and religions can't get on and work together to improve our communities as a whole. (atheism being a "faith" in my eyes).

I personally am an athiest and I do not believe in God as a being. I believe in God as a emotional built into all of us; a need to feel cared for and for someone to look to for leadership.

However, anyone who says, "Well, God doesn't exist, so what's the point in religion?" needs to review their argument. If you actually got round to studying different religions, you can begin to understand why religion is around and how it influences all our lives. Personally, I'm a big fan of Christianity and Buddhism, I think some of the teachings put forward by these religions should be noted and followed. Not harming other beings - even to the smallest bug if possible, working towards keeping our world a safe and wonderful place to reside; there are many more examples but I won't go into all of them.

It's not what you believe in that matters, it's how you take that belief and use it effectively to improve the lives of others.

 

[HHDomains]

It's strange to me, that you are trying to blame God for those natural disasters. Furthermore, you don't know that man didn't help cause them (or speed them up) by the way we abuse our planet and environment.

Anyway, I'm surprised to see you posting again. You called those of us with different beliefs from your own "pathetic" and said you were done with this thread.

It is the belief that I find pathetic, not the people.

And no, I am not blaming god for these natural disasters. Since I don't believe in god I can hardly blame him.
What I am questioning is how those who do believe in god justify the existence of these natural disasters.

How is man causing earthquakes and volcanos?
You realize of course that these events have been occuring since the begining of time?

I am all for different beliefs. I have the right to consider some beliefs pathetic just as you have the right to consider my beliefs, or lack thereof, pathetic.
That's what make free choice so great.

 

[Sabre]

It is the belief that I find pathetic, not the people.

And no, I am not blaming god for these natural disasters. Since I don't believe in god I can hardly blame him.
What I am questioning is how those who do believe in god justify the existence of these natural disasters.

You can't. You can't prove the existance of God, nor can you prove he/she/it does not exist.

How is man causing earthquakes and volcanos?
You realize of course that these events have been occuring since the begining of time?

Man is not "causing" them, though we are the catalyst for the increasement of these events. There is no doubt in my mind that we are affecting global warming, there's quite a lot of scientific evidence to say that we are. Though some is questionable, it makes logical sense.

I am all for different beliefs. I have the right to consider some beliefs pathetic just as you have the right to consider my beliefs, or lack thereof, pathetic.
That's what make free choice so great.

I agree, in a way. However, I don't think you can call someone elses beliefs "pathetic". No offence meant, but free choice doesn't mean you can tell someone else there beliefs are pathetic. In the harsh reality of it all, in any discussion regarding this subject, all of our arguments could be considered pathetic, unless you can find me one completely unquestionable argument - in which case please tell me as I could make a few million bucks from publishing it. Not meaning that degradingly towards you of course, I just think "pathetic" isn't the correct terminology.

 

[-OutlawBiker-]

God told me that we all agreed as souls to take on the current job/lives we are living before we were born. We are all just doing what we signed up to do till we die and he/she has a new job for us. We were given free will to accept the role in the first place, we just forgot that we accepted it. He/she says not to get angry at the other people doing whatever he/she assigned them to do whether you agree with it or not, he/she asked them to do it for whatever reasons we wouldn't understand anyway.

He/she also told me there is no heaven or hell and that he/she finds organized religion pretty funny and sad at the same time. Oh, and he/she said he/she doesn't need all the worship, honor, or praise baloney, as he's/she's not vain at all and thinks it's a waste of our time. He/she said he's/she's pleased when you try your best, and in any event, he's/she's waiting with your next job when you're done with this one.

 

[HHDomains]

You can't. You can't prove the existance of God, nor can you prove he/she/it does not exist.

I agree 100%. My problem with this scenario though is that tens of thousands of people are slaughtered every year in the name of a god that we can't prove exists.
Wouldn't we be better off just teaching values rather than religion?

Man is not "causing" them, though we are the catalyst for the increasement of these events. There is no doubt in my mind that we are affecting global warming, there's quite a lot of scientific evidence to say that we are. Though some is questionable, it makes logical sense.

I'm talking about earthquakes and volcanos here. Global warming is not relevant to these issues.
I don't dispute that man's influence on global warming may have an effect on hurricane frequency but this past year might dispute that.

I agree, in a way. However, I don't think you can call someone elses beliefs "pathetic". No offence meant, but free choice doesn't mean you can tell someone else there beliefs are pathetic. In the harsh reality of it all, in any discussion regarding this subject, all of our arguments could be considered pathetic, unless you can find me one completely unquestionable argument - in which case please tell me as I could make a few million bucks from publishing it. Not meaning that degradingly towards you of course, I just think "pathetic" isn't the correct terminology.

Perhaps pathetic is too strong a word. Never the less this is just my opinion.
I could be worried about the sematics of it but at the end of the day I just cannot fathom a person's need to rely on the crutch of religion.
The world would be a far better place if people would take responsibility for their own actions and not look for the old scape goat of "god's will" or "the devil made me do it".

As I said, perhaps pathetic was a poor choice of words.
I choose to use such words to convey my point, not to insult.

I am 100% for free discussions on these things and contrary to popular belief I take every post into account without automatically discounting differing points of view.

 

[-db-]

However, I don't think you can call someone elses beliefs "pathetic". No offence meant, but free choice doesn't mean you can tell someone else there beliefs are pathetic. In the harsh reality of it all, in any discussion regarding this subject, all of our arguments could be considered pathetic, unless you can find me one completely unquestionable argument - in which case please tell me as I could make a few million bucks from publishing it. Not meaning that degradingly towards you of course, I just think "pathetic" isn't the correct terminology.

Agreed.

I listen to (and respect) opinions and views from everyone that comes to the table with a peaceful, respectful message. The only exceptions being the people who insult (or attack) anybody with different views or beliefs from their own.

If somebody doesn't believe in God, that's their business. I'm not going to insult them, or preach to them. But at the same time, they should not insult me (or others) because we DO believe.

And using the word "pathetic" to describe our views is insulting. Very insulting.

But... maybe HH doesn't realize that, and maybe he didn't intend to come off that way. I had a completely different message ready to post before this one, but then I stopped myself, and thought I should give him the benefit of the doubt, and view his posts as a 'whole' and try not to focus on any single word that was used.

Maybe we can all bridge a gap here, and agree to disagree politely. And not leave here angry or upset with each other. That would be awesome!

 

[Sabre]

I agree 100%. My problem with this scenario though is that tens of thousands of people are slaughtered every year in the name of a god that we can't prove exists.
Wouldn't we be better off just teaching values rather than religion?

Yes and no.
I think people should be taught about religion but ALSO about values. Going through school, I learnt a lot about religion, but pretty much nothing about values.

Maybe we can all bridge a gap here, and agree to disagree politely. And not leave here angry or upset with each other. That would be awesome!

I don't see why anyone has to get angry or upset over such an issue.

I think you've all made good, valid points and they are worthy of discussion.

We are all intelligent individuals here and I think everyone is sorely missing out if they can't learn from each other and have to resort to anger and other such emotions.

 

[HHDomains]

Yes and no.
I think people should be taught about religion but ALSO about values. Going through school, I learnt a lot about religion, but pretty much nothing about values.

I would agree with you IF all religions would recognize that there is one god.
Unfortunately that is not the case.

On the other hand, I think we can all agree that the main value we can teach is to treat others as you would expect to be treated.
If that simple philosophy could be instilled in kids at a young age, without interjecting religion, I think we would be far better off.

 

[Sabre]

I totally agree with you. I'd like to see individuals being taught morale lessons/values from a young age.

If they then choose to go into religion, that would be their choice, however everyone would then at least be educated in important values which could drastically improve the society we live in, in the future.

As long as the teachings are kept completely impartial (not biased in any way), that would be an excellent route to take IMO.

 

[DN Tycoon]

Yes and no.
I think people should be taught about religion but ALSO about values. Going through school, I learnt a lot about religion, but pretty much nothing about values.

Religion has no place in schools, that is why we have churches. Morals should be taught at home, that is why we have parents. I'm tired of people trying to cram religion in every aspect of life as if we have too believe in it, I do not need someone knocking on my door hand me pamphlets about their religion while I am relaxing at home watching football. If I want to learn about religion I will do so on my own free will as I have done many times before, I also do not need religious people telling me I can and can not do as we see in the Bible belt and other parts of the country where religious people have a huge effect on things like gambling. I respect any one persons belief and their right to have their beliefs but I do not respect anyone who tries to force their beliefs on me and try to make me live within their religious constraints.

As I mentioned before I do not believe in God and I put all my faith into myself, I also respect all living things as life. I won't even kill a bug and actually take the time to walk over one and if one is in the house that she wants dead I simply pick it up and put it outside. I simply do not need religion or any kind of supreme being to make me feel comfortable in this world but that is just me. We need to stop what we are doing and teach out kids self respects and respect for all living things, we also need to as parents help develop our kids through life by teaching them about our past live events and our mistakes giving them that knowledge of knowing you can make mistakes just make sure you learn by them. Schools are for education our children on the basics of everyday life tools, it allows us to give our children the tools to use in life to figure out everyday problems. Religion has no place in a persons life who believes in themselves...that is my opinion.

 

[commandercody]

Existence is neither a beginning nor and end only a circle searching for it's next turn.

With god's ultimate brilliance, he created the entire universe and all existence with just one thought and a explosion, everything was pre-planned from the beginning. God is the ultimate engineer. Although we could not hope to understand this, and we would need a CPU the size of the sun just to fathom the zillion factorial of possibilities. Creation with all of it's glory is but a simple equation in a brilliance of a God.

Did god create the earth? Yes, it was in the beginning created and every step of it's life was know from then to know before it happened.

Is there a god then? Seek and you shall find, that's the joy of the whole thing; if there was conclusive evidence of existence then what would be the purpose of faith. Not only did god wish us to have a choice, to see between good and evil; but to truly believe in only the way faith can.

 

[HHDomains]

With god's ultimate brilliance, he created the entire universe and all existence with just one thought and a explosion, everything was pre-planned from the beginning. God is the ultimate engineer.

Why do you suppose god choses to slaughter hundreds of thousands of people in hurricanes and floods and earthquakes every year?
Why did he put men and women and children on this earth just to be swept away by these events?

 

[-db-]

Why do you suppose god choses to slaughter hundreds of thousands of people in hurricanes and floods and earthquakes every year?
Why did he put men and women and children on this earth just to be swept away by these events?

I wish you would stop blaming God for everything bad that happens.

God is not slaughtering anybody.

Is that really the reason you don't believe in God? Because the world is not perfect, and because we have death, hunger, suffering, poverty, natural disasters, etc?

 

[mis_chiff]

Why do you suppose god choses to slaughter hundreds of thousands of people in hurricanes and floods and earthquakes every year?
Why did he put men and women and children on this earth just to be swept away by these events?

From what I understand these are called "natural occurences"
They also happened even before man/woman was roaming the earth!
God doesn't choose - man does, and not always the right choice I'm afraid!

 

[HHDomains]

From what I understand these are called "natural occurences"
They also happened even before man/woman was roaming the earth!
God doesn't choose - man does, and not always the right choice I'm afraid!

What do you mean by "natural" occurence?

Man does not chose to be obliterated by a volcano, or a tidal wave or an earthquake, or a hurricane.

According to the "believers" god is omnipotent. If he has the power to create the earth and the universe why would he not have the power to prevent all of these needless deaths?
What is the purpose of creating all of these people just to slaughter them?

 

[-db-]

HH, nobody here is trying to convince you that God exists.

So why do you feel the need to try and convince people he doesn't?

 

[mis_chiff]

What do you mean by "natural" occurence?

Man does not chose to be obliterated by a volcano, or a tidal wave or an earthquake, or a hurricane.

According to the "believers" god is omnipotent. If he has the power to create the earth and the universe why would he not have the power to prevent all of these needless deaths?
What is the purpose of creating all of these people just to slaughter them?

Wow! Death is not necassarily a slaughter! It is a natural occurence in life...you live...you die!
By natural occurence I mean nature - It just happens, like a bad snowfall, or heavy rains causing flooding.
Nature works in mysterious ways....
besides, if you live in "tornado Alley" be prepared for a tornado!

 

[HHDomains]

HH, nobody here is trying to convince you that God exists.

So why do you feel the need to try and convince people he doesn't?

I am not trying to convince people that god doesn't exist. I am simply looking for answers to questions.
Why do the believers always avoid the questions?

If god is all knowing and omnipotent then why can he not prevent the hundreds of thousands of deaths every year due to natural causes?
Why can he not prevent the millions of deaths each year because of the evil of man?
Why does he allow creation of human beings if their only purpose is to die at a young age or in fact why is there mortality at all if the afterlife is so superior?

Wow! Death is not necassarily a slaughter! It is a natural occurence in life...you live...you die!
By natural occurence I mean nature - It just happens, like a bad snowfall, or heavy rains causing flooding.
Nature works in mysterious ways....
besides, if you live in "tornado Alley" be prepared for a tornado!

I could understand your point if in fact people died from old age, as in there is a finite number of years we can live.

You don't explain though why some people die as babys and children and young adults because of these "natural" disasters.
If god isn't causing them then why isn't he preventing them?

 

[Dan]

You don't explain though why some people die as babys and children and young adults because of these "natural" disasters.
If god isn't causing them then why isn't he preventing them?

He doesn't need to?

HHDomains, you always post in threads such as this one and argue with others but never make your own point. If you're going to keep posting, contribute to the conversation and say something useful or helpful.