.club .Club Showcase and Discussion Thread

[Eric Lyon]

With the recent popularity and domination of the new gTLD registrations in the .Club extension, it's appropriate to get a showcase and discussion thread going for the extension. Use this thread to showcase .Club domains you invested in, Discuss .Club, and point out record breaking .Club sales.

I'll get things started by showing off our new .Club that redirects back to NamePros ::: DomainName.Club ::::

What .Clubs have you guys and gals invested in?
Any great .Club news that others should be aware of?
What are some (Verifiable) mind blowing .club sales you've seen?
How much are you enjoying your new .club?
Know of any developed .Clubs that look cool?

 

[DNabc]

@Colin Campbell , .club is one of the most transparent new gtlds and so I hope you can shed some light on this to make it even better.
Some deleted .club domains don't become available. All whois services report: "No Domain exists for the search string" or similar but the domain is not available for new registration.
I'm not talking about super-premium names that must be reserved again, in most cases alternatives like .guru, .link, .gift, etc are still available.
Soon I will be creating a service on a .club domain ( authorization.club ), before I started buying thousands of domains I was already a developer
In order to have more .club development every good domain should be available to be acquired.

 

[Colin Campbell]

Got a link to that policy or where it says that in your ICANN agreement, or is that just company policy that could change at any time?

Why were LLL.club prices changed from a standard price to over $100 for the initial pricing?

That is a tiered pricing policy change that should not have happened. Stuff like that makes the registry look greedy and makes some money in the short term, but might hurt you in the long term.

Below is the exact wording in our RRA (Registry/Registrar Agreement) signed with Godaddy, NameCheap and well over 100 other registrars.

During the five year period subsequent to the date that Registry Operator signs its Registry Agreement with ICANN, Registry Operator shall not increase any individual fee set forth in Exhibit E more than 15% or the U.S. Currency Inflation, whichever is greater.
The amount of U.S. Currency Inflation shall be determined by the Consumer Price Index report issued by the Bureau of Labor Statistics U.S. Government found at http://www.bls.gov/cpi/; the amount of the increase in U.S. Currency Inflation will be determined between November 9, 2013 and the date that the Fee increase notice is issued from Registry Operator to Registrar.

That being said, we have not raised prices and do not intend to raise prices on general availability registrations. I believe we are the only registrar to have setup legal price protection.

Colin

 

[Colin Campbell]

@Colin Campbell , .club is one of the most transparent new gtlds and so I hope you can shed some light on this to make it even better.
Some deleted .club domains don't become available. All whois services report: "No Domain exists for the search string" or similar but the domain is not available for new registration.
I'm not talking about super-premium names that must be reserved again, in most cases alternatives like .guru, .link, .gift, etc are still available.
Soon I will be creating a service on a .club domain ( authorization.club ), before I started buying thousands of domains I was already a developer
In order to have more .club development every good domain should be available to be acquired.

DNabc,

I like the name Authorization.club - any word that has clear meaning and is spelled correct can create a great brandable site. With respect to expiring and deleting names, registrars like Godaddy have the first right to auction the names off after they expiry. Generally 70 days following expiry the name drops at which time it can be registered by any user unless that name has been designated as a "Registry Reserved Name".

If it has been tagged by us as Registry Reserved they do not drop. Instead we assess the value of the name, price them and list them on our Tiered Pricing Program made available to all registrars (which is a one time only fee). They still renew at general availability pricing.

This is a different practice then .com who releases all names. .COM is owned actually by ICANN and Verisign operates it under contract. As a private registrar who invests well over 3 million per year in marketing, these additional funds are welcome. We release names twice per year. TP2 as we called it was released on Dec. 15th, and with days over 5000 names sold most being the LLL.club's. Generally prices were between $65-$100 although a few top names might list for as 10K. We intend to list approximately 5000 more names on June 15th. A list will be published a couple of weeks in advance.

Hope this helps clarify a few things.

Colin

 

[brindle123]

RRA (Registry/Registrar Agreement)

A link to the RAA would be more useful than a link to the Bureau of Labor Statistics U.S. Government!
It's not easy to find the RAA agreement even via ICANN.

Here is the link if anyone cares to read it (I will read it when I get the time):

https://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/tlds/club/club-agmt-pdf-08nov13-en.pdf

Doing an initial search of the RAA, I can not find an "EXHIBIT E"!

Is this in an Amendment to the RAA? Where does it have an Exhibit E in the RAA? What section specifically?

So the pricing for LLL.club initial registrations didn't go up? I thought that I read in other posts that the initial fees went up to $100 with a standard renewal fee.

Some deleted .club domains don't become available. All whois services report: "No Domain exists for the search string" or similar but the domain is not available for new registration.

Can you given an example? Either an exact domain name or pattern. Was it on generics like LLL LLLL NNN or NNNN domains? Single keyword domains?

Domains get auctioned off all the time if they are dropped, but holding onto domains and not releasing them back into general availability doesn't help get the extension developed and accepted by end users.
Recategorizing a dropped domain into the Tiered Pricing Program is wrong.

If that is happening it hurts the reputation of the registry and faith domainers put into that registry.

I hope that this isn't the case. I'm not trying to bash .club, just trying to figure things out. Too many weird things happen in this business and we need as much clarity as we can get to build faith and loyalty.

So if someone builds a brand on a domain then drops that domain, it can be reclassified as a premium domain and then added to the registries Tiered Pricing Program?

Any domain name could be reassessed by the registry and then added to that list, then released to the public but now under a tiered pricing structure?

That goes against your statement of what the RAA says!

So this is my understanding of what could happen...... Authorization.club could be reclassified as a premium domain if it is dropped, then it could be added to the registries list of Tiered Pricing Program domains, after that, it would have a premium price attached to it.

Scary.

 

[DNabc]

@brindle123 , I sent an example (single word domain) to Colin so he can confirm I'm being truthful ( will not post publicly because I hope getting the name sooner or later ).
@Colin Campbell My initial idea was that it had became "Registry Reserved Name" but I couldn't see confirmation of it anywhere (and I lost quite some time researching).
The domain was auctioned at Snapnames but no one bidded, I thought I would get it at registration fee but I was wrong :/ 20 years of experience buying .com , a rookie on new GTLDs.

 

[brindle123]

The domain was auctioned at Snapnames but no one bidded, I thought I would get it at registration fee but I was wrong :/ 20 years of experience buying .com , a rookie on new GTLDs.

Be very careful buying GTLDs in the aftermarket.
.club has standard renewal fees, but some of the ones that have all kinds of crazy pricing for different domains within an extension can get someone in trouble. I'm not seeing any info in the aftermarket where they list if the domain has tiered renewal pricing.

Example:

blahblahblah.domain is listed on auction for $100. You bid and win the auction for $100, but when you go to check out the renewal fee is tacked on and it could be much higher than a standard renewal fee.

For the domain you are talking about, it's weird that no one bid on it and it was still not released back for registration. You should have bought it when you seen it for sale. Now that the registry knows there is interest...you should be worried.

It might have made the list!

 

[DNabc]

At Snapnames I only looked for .club because I knew there would not be strange renewal prices.
I am a patient person so paying $1 instead of $69 was worth the risk (I was not aware of what was going to happen, the time I lost is worth hundreds) for a domain I don't truly need.
It would be nice though but I have thousands of alternatives and for the registry it would benefit them much more to have such .club developed and promoted by me.

 

[kgnikola]

I am pretty new with .club domains. At NameCheap i found one domain not registered, but classified as Premium. It's price is $74.57 per year. So renewal price for this domain is $74.57. Same domains price at GoDaddy is $77.99 and $14.99 when renew. Is that possible or I am missing something?

 

[brindle123]

At NameCheap i found one domain not registered, but classified as Premium. It's price is $74.57 per year.

I thought all .club had a standard renewal fee. Maybe it's a Namecheap thing. Check it the name on some other registrars.

If the registry is calling $75 domains premium, then there is a problem. They shouldn't be nickle and diming domains down to that level. They should just put it out there at reg fee. If you decide not to get the domain, or get it cheaper somewhere else, can you share the domain with us at that point so were can check it out?

It would be nice though but I have thousands of alternatives and for the registry it would benefit them much more to have such .club developed and promoted by me.

You would think they would want more sites developed on their extensions to help promote it. They don't know who is going to develop sites though. Weird it would be held back when there were no bids or interest in the domain at auction. Maybe the registry is going to develop it.

 

[brandnow]

@Colin Campbell I'm curious if one of my .Club names expires because I forget to renew it, or whatever reason. Does my expired domain name automatically go to auction, e.g: It would be much more expensive to register it again? This is one thing I am confused about with .Club compared to .Com, .Net, and .Org. With .Com the name would eventually become released again and available for normal price.

 

[brindle123]

@Colin Campbell I'm curious if one of my .Club names expires because I forget to renew it, or whatever reason. Does my expired domain name automatically go to auction, e.g: It would be much more expensive to register it again? This is one thing I am confused about with .Club compared to .Com, .Net, and .Org. With .Com the name would eventually become released again and available for normal price.

All domains in all extensions get auctioned off when they expire.

Although if the domain(new gtld) is good enough the registry could reclassify the domain as premium and either keep it for themselves or release it back to the public, but now with a tiered pricing structure, and it would be much more expensive to purchase.

Colin said .club has a flat renewal fee, but the initial price of the expired domain could be raised to any amount if the registry wants. So any domain that expires could have the initial purchase price raised then a flat renewal rate thereafter.

If you bought a LLL for $100, then don't renew it, it could be repriced at $1000 initial purchase then standard renewal. As value increases for any domain, I see them all being repriced after they drop.
The registries no longer act like a registry, they now act like a domainer.

ICANN should require dropped domains to be released back into general registration.

This does not happen with .com .net .org! Dot com gets auctioned off, but does not get held for ransom.

 

[Fancy.domains]

I just bought a name that just dropped:

Rucksack.club

I like it because i think the keyword and the TLD goes good together. Backpack.club is probably better (and available), but comes with a considerably higher price.

 

[brindle123]

Backpack.club

$335.47/year at Namecheap.
$349.99/then $14.99 to renew at Godaddy.

I'm still trying to figure this pricing stuff out. Is this Namecheap price gouging? Any thoughts?

 

[brandnow]

All domains in all extensions get auctioned off when they expire.

Although if the domain(new gtld) is good enough the registry could reclassify the domain as premium and either keep it for themselves or release it back to the public, but now with a tiered pricing structure, and it would be much more expensive to purchase.

Colin said .club has a flat renewal fee, but the initial price of the expired domain could be raised to any amount if the registry wants. So any domain that expires could have the initial purchase price raised then a flat renewal rate thereafter.

If you bought a LLL for $100, then don't renew it, it could be repriced at $1000 initial purchase then standard renewal. As value increases for any domain, I see them all being repriced after they drop.
The registries no longer act like a registry, they now act like a domainer.

ICANN should require dropped domains to be released back into general registration.

This does not happen with .com .net .org! Dot com gets auctioned off, but does not get held for ransom.

Trying to follow what you wrote. I know some registrars, like GoDaddy, will auction off expired .com, .net, .org names. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that only GoDaddy and maybe a few other registrars do this? I don't think auctioning is done by the .com, .net, .org registries. Because I have seen .com domains expire and then a few weeks later they become available again for anybody to register. Or of course, you can also pay for a backorder service if you want to be more sure about getting the name once it finally gets re-released by the registry. Again, please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong as I usually don't invest or buy expired domains so I'm not 100% clear about this process.

What I'm curious about with .Club is that .Club specifically seems to auction off all .Club names that expire? That's how I understand it. But I'm also you guys and @Colin Campbell because I'm not 100% certain if that's how correct. For example, I have a .Club <my first name>.club. I like it. I don't really want to give it up. I will probably develop a site on it eventually. I'm just thinking though.. I wonder if I did accidentally or purposely not renew it.. I wonder whether I would have to pay a lot through an auction to get it back.. whereas with .com either it would become available again eventually without an auction.. or I could try to backorder it if I think another domainer may try to grab it before me the second it becomes available again.

Thanks for any help and insight about these questions. This is one area where you can see that I'm still confused.

 

[brindle123]

Trying to follow what you wrote.

From what I understand a .club could be held back by the registry after you drop it. The registry could then re-evaluate the domain to see if it is now worth more than a regular purchase price. The registry could then place any price on the domain you used to own and then offer it to anyone at the new higher adjusted pricing.

The registry could also hold onto the domain for as long as they want.

dot com can not be held back from the public, nor can it have a higher initial price or higher renewal price attached to it.
If it is dropped, it will go to auction/backorder holder, if there is no backorder on it and no one buys it in an auction then the .com gets released back to the public for general registration.

Hope that helps clear things up for you. I can get a little long winded and blah blah blah sometimes.

I have some questions too, but these questions get avoided here on the forum. I think every registry, registrar, and ICANN should have a Rep on this forum that can clear things up. The problem is that we ask some tuff questions that they don't want to answer or are afraid to answer. I don't blame them though, because if the truth was out in the open, it would hurt their business due to the way everything is set up.

 

[mirul]

Hi guys, is it worth to invest in 3L .club?

 

[Fancy.domains]

Hi guys, is it worth to invest in 3L .club?

I think so, but it is also depending on which price you can get them for. If you got them already, keep them!

 

[deez007]

Hi guys, is it worth to invest in 3L .club?

Yeah I fully agreed with @kohsamui - If you got it, keep it. If you getting it for a good price,grab it!

 

[Colin Campbell]

I thought all .club had a standard renewal fee. Maybe it's a Namecheap thing. Check it the name on some other registrars.

If the registry is calling $75 domains premium, then there is a problem. They shouldn't be nickle and diming domains down to that level. They should just put it out there at reg fee. If you decide not to get the domain, or get it cheaper somewhere else, can you share the domain with us at that point so were can check it out?



You would think they would want more sites developed on their extensions to help promote it. They don't know who is going to develop sites though. Weird it would be held back when there were no bids or interest in the domain at auction. Maybe the registry is going to develop it.

Yes it is a NameCheap thing. All renewals are at G.A. Pricing. Its simply a bug. I appreciate the feedback and I am reaching out to NameCheap to get it resolved.

 

[Josytal]

If you got it, keep it. If you getting it for a good price,grab it!

I've got YUP.club
someone ready to buy for $199.
Sell or Keep it?