Chinese LLLL.com bubble!?

[freezer]

Is it a somewhat good estimate that
chinese LLLL.com premiums are at at least $1billion value today?
Unlike Number .coms chinese premium LLLL.com boomed in value in a very short period.
Will they hold their value or is it the biggest BUBBLE ever seen in domains?

Share your thoughts please

 

[Kate]

Like the stock market, the domain market is subject to ups and downs, market corrections. Especially when prices are distorted by speculation, and trading takes place within small circles of insiders. When prices increase dramatically, they can fall dramatically too, and they will.

 

[biggie]

What is the specification of a chinese LLLL.Com domain?

basically, LLLL.com that were labeled as "anti-premium" on 3char com a couple of years ago, are now ChinesePremium.com

 

[andom]

labeled as "anti-premium" on 3char com a couple of years ago

yeah ... a lot of money was wasted on that assumption. I guess one day "v" will be the most premium letter ever!

 

[biggie]

yeah ... a lot of money was wasted on that assumption. I guess one day "v" will be the most premium letter ever!

after each victory, the letter "v" becomes premium

 

[WhoaDomain.com]

basically, LLLL.com that were labeled as "anti-premium" on 3char com a couple of years ago, are now ChinesePremium.com

nice name dropping of your domain Biggie ChinesePremium.com lol I guess it's relevant here so it's ok. lol

 

[NPer]

4L.coms = domains...Comparing domains to currencies? Can't do that.

I have good sales (many reported) in LLLL.com $x,xxx- $xx,xxx and experience in choosing the names that has potential to sell-so I am very certain that I will continue on the righteous path. It just so happens that quite a portion of my names have received hits from Chinese folks-even some containing vowels like "a". I have many llll.com without vowels too- some of which are "quad premium" by Western domainer standards. Now I did not buy these domains to make "scrap value" sales to Chinese via email or to low-ballers on Godaddy/Sedo/etc, so I am keeping them, or selling them my usual prices. But it is nice to know to that the "scrap value" has increased-and understandably so: Times are changing.

Why should anyone pay $10k upwards for a LLL.com when these were selling for under $5k last year, even under $3k several years ago? Well, if you want to buy them now you will need to fork out $10k+. Is this a bubble? The answer is No. Will you have the opportunity to buy a LLL.com under $5k again? Highly doubt it, only if you are lucky and spot a rare deal, but chances are slim. Even if you do manage to come by some crazy deal, you wouldn't be able to buy multiple names at that price level. In 3-5 years time, it will never be back under $5k- even if you say $10k is bubble prices. In fact, in 3-5 years time, it might not be at $10k minimum anymore.

Now-with "Chinese Premium" LLLL.com (as it is being called)- these are limited: 20^4=160,000. Not all of these are random. Not all are on sale-some are developed. Plenty of them have actual meaning and not just to Chinese. So to say prices are going to fall/ or it's a bubble... think again. Let's say that you have TLLC..com which happens to be a "Chinese premium" just how can the value of this domain be lost with a supposed bubble? The current $550-$600 minimum offers are too low to buy this domain. Now, If you have qxwd- this kind mainly appeal to Chinese-and may be affected (if there is a bubble, which I highly doubt). Seeing how domaining has grown over the years an is still growing, and more people realsing the value of short domains.... the minimum on these are not going to fall. Soon the Chinese will realise their offers are too low/unrealistic for some of these domains that they are targeting because, it might just have meaning/value to people outside of China, and will increase their offers: which we are already seeing.

The number of LLLL on the market is drying up and in the future will be far less, people will hoard them (in fact some have been hoarding for years now), supply will run out... and guess what... prices will be higher.

You want to talk about the future? I'm staring at the moon.

 

[imadoer]

4L.coms = domains...Comparing domains to currencies? Can't do that.

I have good sales (many reported) in LLLL.com $x,xxx- $xx,xxx and experience in choosing the names that has potential to sell-so I am very certain that I will continue on the righteous path. It just so happens that quite a portion of my names have received hits from Chinese folks-even some containing vowels like "a". I have many llll.com without vowels too- some of which are "quad premium" by Western domainer standards. Now I did not buy these domains to make "scrap value" sales to Chinese via email or to low-ballers on Godaddy/Sedo/etc, so I am keeping them, or selling them my usual prices. But it is nice to know to that the "scrap value" has increased-and understandably so: Times are changing.

Why should anyone pay $10k upwards for a LLL.com when these were selling for under $5k last year, even under $3k several years ago? Well, if you want to buy them now you will need to fork out $10k+. Is this a bubble? The answer is No. Will you have the opportunity to buy a LLL.com under $5k again? Highly doubt it, only if you are lucky and spot a rare deal, but chances are slim. Even if you do manage to come by some crazy deal, you wouldn't be able to buy multiple names at that price level. In 3-5 years time, it will never be back under $5k- even if you say $10k is bubble prices. In fact, in 3-5 years time, it might not be at $10k minimum anymore.

Now-with "Chinese Premium" LLLL.com (as it is being called)- these are limited: 20^4=160,000. Not all of these are random. Not all are on sale-some are developed. Plenty of them have actual meaning and not just to Chinese. So to say prices are going to fall/ or it's a bubble... think again. Let's say that you have TLLC..com which happens to be a "Chinese premium" just how can the value of this domain be lost with a supposed bubble? The current $550-$600 minimum offers are too low to buy this domain. Now, If you have qxwd- this kind mainly appeal to Chinese-and may be affected (if there is a bubble, which I highly doubt). Seeing how domaining has grown over the years an is still growing, and more people realsing the value of short domains.... the minimum on these are not going to fall. Soon the Chinese will realise their offers are too low/unrealistic for some of these domains that they are targeting because, it might just have meaning/value to people outside of China, and will increase their offers: which we are already seeing.

The number of LLLL on the market is drying up and in the future will be far less, people will hoard them (in fact some have been hoarding for years now), supply will run out... and guess what... prices will be higher.

You want to talk about the future? I'm staring at the moon.

Very well said....:D

 

[Dominic Belley]

In the last Domain Sherpa interview, Andrew Rosener expressed high expectations for 4L in the next 6 months. Good ones of course: Chinese Premium, CVCV, VCVC.

 

[forge]

While I'm here what's the significance of "taking out the A,E,I,O,U,and V combos"? and what's difference lll.com's and nnn.com's? confused as to why you've used 2 different characters to describe 3 character domains?

N = Numeric, nnn.com are numeric domains. Your other question is addressed here:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/current-llll-market-situation.865701/page-2

 

[MR PACKER]

In the last Domain Sherpa interview, Andrew Rosener expressed high expectations for 4L in the next 6 months. Good ones of course: Chinese Premium, CVCV, VCVC.

Yes he is confident they are going up. He tried to con me out of cbdo.com for $1000 and nagged me for months about it till I managed to get $4000 out of him. Obviously he thinks it will go for more in the future, as it will or he has already off loaded it to an end user.

He has written a lot about the appreciating value of short domains on his Media Options site.

cheers

 

[equity78]

Exactly right, junk domains have become (Chinese) premium overnight ? Something is not right here.
Even if there is a sudden realization of value - and not just a domainer bubble, that shows once again that domainers are followers, they seldom anticipate the trends and patterns of the future, and when they do so it often turns into hype threads à la 3D that lead to nowhere.

If you are buying 4L.com now, you've missed the boat. It sailed a long time ago. It's no big deal really, cause I have missed the boat so many times too. You will do better next time.

What you don't want is to buy domains at inflated value and be left holding the bag: big renewal fees combined with inability to resell at a profit and lack of liquidity. The greater fool theory is not fun when you are the last in line.

IMHO.

But there is the flaw in your post Kate, "junk domains" they were not junk, they were deemed junk by those only familiar with their own language, their own culture. Guess what back in 1996 BJXX.com was not junk if there was a greater proliferation of Chinese online and Chinese domainers.

I regged 4N.com in 2003 and 2004 not for a Chinese buyer because there was no talk of them back then, I knew nothing of Chinese number culture in 2003 except that 8 was great and 4 was poor. I sold those hand regs for $200 thinking wow this is the greatest, easiest money ever. That was by far the biggest mistake of my domaining involvement, I could have hand regged 50 easy at a time when domaining was considered to have all the good names goine. I shudder to think what I could get for 7599.com.

I am not saying anything is going through the roof and you should always be thoughtful to your budget, have some savings etc... But I don't think they are junk domains, China is complicated and some just run with a few known facts and don't realize there are many layers and just one letter placement is the difference in $12, $1,200 and $12,000.

Most importantly invest in niches you understand.

Again IMO

 

[redesignunit]

agree with you all chinese domain is bubble like his business strategy.

 

[forge]

He tried to con me out of cbdo.com for $1000 and nagged me for months about it till I managed to get $4000 out of him. Obviously he thinks it will go for more in the future, as it will or he has already off loaded it to an end user.

I think that language is unfair, since $1000 for cbdo would be considered more than fair reseller value by most accounts. He was trying to obtain the domain at the lowest price. Nothing wrong or underhanded about that.

 

[Asfas1000]

Business want short, and businesses want .COM

LLL.com's are gone, so we get to LLLL.com's

The demand is pure IMO, so there's no reason to believe it's a bubble.

 

[campout]

Please don't nobody chop my head off for these charts, but I think they illustrate what is going on.

Chinese begin to move online...

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Even in the 2010's, China experiences significant Internet user growth every year, unlike the rest of the developed world where everyone is already online.

Look at the insane growth in GDP, way outpacing any Western nation (kinda looks like the charts over at LLLLSales.com)...

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[WhoaDomain.com]

hi. I don't know about this whole "confidence" thing about LLLL.com domains. I've scoured many chinese domain auction sites and I'm looking at a few right now that are auctions that are about to end and the highest price I've seen was $1000. most were around 200 RMB which is around 31.3860 USD. I mean if LLLL.com are fetching such high prices so long as they don't have A,E,I,O,U,V. I could easily just buy these domains voer $30-$50 and then sell it to you guys over here and make $500-$1000 profit? just from the "Western" hype or belief that the Chinese will want these domains?

Meanwhile it's in the Chinese domain auction sites where I got these LLLL.Com domains for cheap?
lol

It's really funny to see what you people hype about LLLL.COM's but the prices over in chinese domain auction sites just do not support this Hype.

disclaimer: although there are of course LLLL.COM that are bidding as high as $1 million but it's OBVIOUS why it's selling for $1 million or few hundred thousand or tens of thousands.

but the MAJORITY are selling for dirt cheap.

Mind you also that alot of the high price domains HAVE the dreaded A,E,I,O,U,V combos. So that just really confuses me now. some of these LLLL.COM domains fetching from millions or hundreds of thousands contain not one vowel but 2 maybe even 3. so what's that all about?

I thought there wasn't much words in the chinese pinyin starting with A,E,I,O,U,V and that's why domainers avoid them in LLLL.com's

sigh***************** can someone please explain. newbie here.

 

[Dominic Belley]

Mind you also that alot of the high price domains HAVE the dreaded A,E,I,O,U,V combos. So that just really confuses me now. some of these LLLL.COM domains fetching from millions or hundreds of thousands contain not one vowel but 2 maybe even 3. so what's that all about?

The top 4L names are not the ones without AEIOUV .. they are CVCV. (c=consonant, v=vowel). These are the ones that fetch a price in the 5 digits. Of course real 4-letter words like, give, food, beer, book are the super premium in the 6 digits+

 

[Nem0]

@Avtar629

The majority are selling dirt cheap?

Some are selling for $31 and there was no reserve on them? (sometimes auctions wont get bids as high as they deserve if they have a reserve)

If you really could buy many LLLL.com for $31 or so, why would you post that info here instead of buying each and everyone of them you can? You could make tens of thousands of dollars in a couple weeks selling them to us unknowledgeable western LLLL investors! Nonsense.

Most of your claims are highly suspect so please provide screenshots of these "sales" of LLLL.com under $50 at Chinese domain marketplaces. I check 4.cn quite often and have never seen that, so I can't imagine it is different elsewhere.

 

[Dominic Belley]

The cheapest 4L - Chinese Premium sold on 4.cn is 550 at the beginning of September. (from LLLLSales.com)

 

[WhoaDomain.com]

@Avtar629

The majority are selling dirt cheap?

Some are selling for $31 and there was no reserve on them? (sometimes auctions wont get bids as high as they deserve if they have a reserve)

If you really could buy many LLLL.com for $31 or so, why would you post that info here instead of buying each and everyone of them you can? You could make tens of thousands of dollars in a couple weeks selling them to us unknowledgeable western LLLL investors! Nonsense.

Most of your claims are highly suspect so please provide screenshots of these "sales" of LLLL.com under $50 at Chinese domain marketplaces. I check 4.cn quite often and have never seen that, so I can't imagine it is different elsewhere.

then you haven't checked "everywhere"