Chinese LLLL.com bubble!?

[freezer]

Is it a somewhat good estimate that
chinese LLLL.com premiums are at at least $1billion value today?
Unlike Number .coms chinese premium LLLL.com boomed in value in a very short period.
Will they hold their value or is it the biggest BUBBLE ever seen in domains?

Share your thoughts please

 

[domeen]

The Chinese big buyers I sold a lot stopped at level $1400 or so. I currently don´t know who buys them. I think that some level here are also guys who buy at $2000.

 

[MR PACKER]

I don`t know, maybe if I could buy them back at level $200-$250 I would be happy.

Look you took a profit, nothing wrong with that.

As I said I still have all of mine, but they could fall back and could be worth way less if I don't sell at the right time. I just don't think now is the right time.

I have bought stocks in the past, been up $55,000 in a day, watched my original investment of $30,000 grow to $125,000 and still lost money after holding too long.

A profit is a profit.

 

[domeen]

Yes and you could have twice as much......that's why your angry.

I'm still holding all mine

What numbers do you want to see?

I think the prices went up so much is that some guys also here in forums started thinking, hey. I need also 4 letter .com-s. they are cool. I have money. Lets pay $2000 for them each. I know 2 months ago they where at $300 each, but still. Its not bad. Thats why they went up. People are followers, some guys here say, I took two - other thinks, fuck, I also want two. Why not. They are not worth anything, but everyone has some, so lets buy

 

[MR PACKER]

I just got home and had 27 emails, all from Chinese buyers wanting CP's.

But always about $600 behind the current market value.

 

[domeen]

Don´t get my wrong, I think at levels $200-$400 I still think, every 4 letter.com is very nice investment.
I could see you can make money with them at those levels in long run.
But paying $2000 as investment for one is plain stupid.
I know some will now say, they hope to see $5000 in month time. and it can all happen.

for me minuses are:
1) they don´t make money parking - so don`t pay for renewals
2) end-user demand is low, 1% top in year for selling them from your portoflio to end-user

 

[Nile Patel]

Don´t get my wrong, I think at levels $200-$400 I still think, every 4 letter.com is very nice investment.
I could see you can make money with them at those levels in long run.
But paying $2000 as investment for one is plain stupid.
I know some will now say, they hope to see $5000 in month time. and it can all happen.

for me minuses are:
1) they don´t make money parking - so don`t pay for renewals
2) end-user demand is low, 1% top in year for selling them from your portoflio to end-user

Hi Domeen

I think you are misunderstanding this market and taking wrong side, its ok if you do not like but what frustrate all of us is you complaining every day about bubble and prices, without doing research on buyer's.

I told clearly a long ago this is not new domaineers game or even any hobbyist, this is big guy's game who in the hale able to afford $2000 a pic unless you really have some extra cash or if you burn your cash and its part of your daily activity and you move on. Some of my research reveal completely strange business model which i can not disclose , i have given you enough clue just do your research, the reason behind this buy out is not only for profit or flipping early and gain some money or to hold for next few year.

Note: My Advice to new domain rookies , please do not enter in current market just wait and watch the game unless you able to afford and have experience loosing money in casino or stock market.

 

[domeen]

Hi Domeen

I think you are misunderstanding this market and taking wrong side, its ok if you do not like but what frustrate all of us is you complaining every day about bubble and prices, without doing research on buyer's.

I told clearly a long ago this is not new domaineers game or even any hobbyist, this is big guy's game who in the hale able to afford $2000 a pic unless you really have some extra cash or if you burn your cash and its part of your daily activity and you move on. Some of my research reveal completely strange business model which i can not disclose , i have given you enough clue just do your research, the reason behind this buy out is not only for profit or flipping early and gain some money or to hold for next few year.

Note: My Advice to new domain rookies , please do not enter in current market just wait and watch the game unless you able to afford and have experience loosing money in casino or stock market.

Ok Nile, you clearly know what you are doing.

 

[mitok]

Random non CP LLL.coms are at lower $xxxxx ranges. CP LLLL.coms are still at low $xxxx.

LLLs are for Western world almost the same as LLLLs for Chinese. Their language is VERY complicated (or at least I think so) and one more letter in a domain helps them to make more precise meaning of still short LLLL. That is my opinion based on some research. So, It could be that CP LLLL.coms are still cheap at these levels as their Western equivalents (LLL.coms) are at much higher levels.

On the other hand, I might be wrong too Each investor should decide for himself. But please, don't terrorize others with your opinion. Nobody can prove at this moment he is 100% right.

 

[Nile Patel]

Ok Nile, you clearly know what you are doing.

I think everyone here know what they doing only you complaining each day without any reason , why don't you see-- after certain price level 4l.com sale has drop here on this forum because everyone know they can not afford now and they move on to other category.
Plus the logic is whoever has not sold yet they all know even market crash its ok for them they can afford the loss or it might be no loss due to other category value rise up.
Have you seen tons of chinese guy here asking you or me the prices or anything about domain business that's more then enough to find out who all these buyer's are and why they do not care about our traditional buy and sale pattern.

 

[djum]

Random non CP LLL.coms are at lower $xxxxx ranges. CP LLLL.coms are still at low $xxxx.

LLLs are for Western world almost the same as LLLLs for Chinese. Their language is VERY complicated (or at least I think so) and one more letter in a domain helps them to make more precise meaning of still short LLLL. That is my opinion based on some research. So, It could be that CP LLLL.coms are still cheap at this levels as their Western equivalents (LLL.coms) are at much higher levels.

On the other hand, I might be wrong too Each investor should decide for himself. But please, don't terrorize others with your opinion. Nobody can prove at this moment he is 100% right.

For Chinese LLLL = LL. Each 2 letters are acronyms in PinYin.
BJ = BeiJing
DK = DaiKuan = Loan.
BJDK = BeiJing Loans = 2 words = BL.com for Western world.

 

[Nile Patel]

For Chinese LLLL = LL. Each 2 letters are acronyms in PinYin.
BJ = BeiJing
DK = DaiKuan = Loan.
BJDK = BeiJing Loans = 2 words = BL.com for Western world.

Ya that is very good point, everyone has to believe that.

 

[domeen]

For Chinese LLLL = LL. Each 2 letters are acronyms in PinYin.
BJ = BeiJing
DK = DaiKuan = Loan.
BJDK = BeiJing Loans = 2 words = BL.com for Western world.

I understand that, but would you pay $2000 for beijingloans.com ? thats what you are basically saying. I mean as investor.

 

[Andrei P.]

Let me say few words. The facts are:

1. CPs are totally new market. You shouldn't apply western rules to it.

2. Each bubble is burst if owners selling fast their assets. Now look who owns majority of CPs and who continue to buy majority of Cps. They are not poor guys like us. They but thousands of them. They own majority of them. They control the market. Any western domainer cannot ruin CPs market by selling his miserable hundred of Cps.

Ok. Now look at main holders of CPs. Any ideas why they did buy thousands of CPs for years? May be because they want to sell several thousands at once at the end of the game and losse millions? LOL. So they will hold, they will hold them forever just buying new and new CPs appearing at the market at market price. When market will be stabilized it will be needed to sell just 0.1% of their portfolios to new comers to fund their current needs and be wealthy. Yes. If they sell thousands, these deals witll be done not public, like selling companies from weaker hands to stronger. And stronger hands will be hyping the price further.

So we have. Majority of CPs are in hands of wealthy chinese domainers, and they are the least who would want the market to collapse and they I believe have finances to this.

Tell me if I wrong.

 

[domeen]

Let me say few words. The facts are:

1. CPs are totally new market. You shouldn't apply western rules to it.

2. Each bubble is burst if owners selling fast their assets. Now look who owns majority of CPs and who continue to buy majority of Cps. They are not poor guys like us. They but thousands of them. They own majority of them. They control the market. Any western domainer cannot ruin CPs market by selling his miserable hundred of Cps.

Ok. Now look at main holders of CPs. Any ideas why they did buy thousands of CPs for years? May be because they want to sell several thousands at once at the end of the game and losse millions? LOL. So they will hold, they will hold them forever just buying new and new CPs appearing at the market at market price. When market will be stabilized it will be needed to sell just 0.1% of their portfolios to new comers to fund their current needs and be wealthy. Yes. If they sell thousands, these deals witll be done not public, like selling companies from weaker hands to stronger. And stronger hands will be hyping the price further.

So we have. Majority of CPs are in hands of wealthy chinese domainers, and they are the least who would want the market to collapse and they I believe have finances to this.

Tell me if I wrong.

You are missing some basic economy rules here.
Demand, you say control the market? I mean if the prices are too high, nooone will buy! They can control it. But if price is not right, they can look the domains at theyre registrar account.

Current prices $2000 x 160 000 = 320 000 000 USD. Somene who has that money, will have to answer to someone (shareholder, invesor etc) and make money and profit.

 

[MR PACKER]

Have you seen tons of chinese guy here asking you or me the prices or anything about domain business that's more then enough to find out who all these buyer's are and why they do not care about our traditional buy and sale pattern.

Absolutely right!!!!

 

[Nile Patel]

Let me say few words. The facts are:

1. CPs are totally new market. You shouldn't apply western rules to it.

2. Each bubble is burst if owners selling fast their assets. Now look who owns majority of CPs and who continue to buy majority of Cps. They are not poor guys like us. They but thousands of them. They own majority of them. They control the market. Any western domainer cannot ruin CPs market by selling his miserable hundred of Cps.

Ok. Now look at main holders of CPs. Any ideas why they did buy thousands of CPs for years? May be because they want to sell several thousands at once at the end of the game and losse millions? LOL. So they will hold, they will hold them forever just buying new and new CPs appearing at the market at market price. When market will be stabilized it will be needed to sell just 0.1% of their portfolios to new comers to fund their current needs and be wealthy. Yes. If they sell thousands, these deals witll be done not public, like selling companies from weaker hands to stronger. And stronger hands will be hyping the price further.

So we have. Majority of CPs are in hands of wealthy chinese domainers, and they are the least who would want the market to collapse and they I believe have finances to this.

Tell me if I wrong.

You got the points my friend the problem is some dude here do not want to scan the 4l.com file and see who own majority of names and who control the market, the game is already moved from western to china and look the speed how they bought or buying all 3l.com compare to that prices 4l.com still look cheap to them and once the control goes to few big hands , there is no chance they will let the market drop , so we should appreciate them for their hard work to protect and rise our asset value and not tell them stupid guys.
These guys doing same thing like 10 year ago someone was holding 2l.com and many still holding , the difference is this time they have more money so they can hold a big portfolio compare to only few 2l.com and able to absorb 4l.com easily.

 

[domeen]

And tell me whats different about 2007/2008 4 letter bubble?

 

[MR PACKER]

1. CPs are totally new market. You shouldn't apply western rules to it.

Exactly right!!!

 

[Andrei P.]

Thank you. Bought, for example, QIYY for $306.

Who cares about CP etc., if it is perfectly pronounceable as KIY? Visually looks good too. QI can stand for wireless charging, for internal energy (China, Japan) or just Quality Investments.

Here is a creative way:

Quality Investments with Yearly Yields ))

Let me say the truth about QIYY for $306.

The LLLL.com domains can be good if:

1. It is a strong acronym. Like any quad-premium or good triple-premium with good letters at good positions. Like QMMA, JKSC.com. QIYY is not

2. It is pronoucneable and brandable thus. QIYY is not. I would any day prefer hypothical 8L DABRAFIX than QIYY. Well there is very small possibility that big company would pay 2k for QiYY, but let's be realistic.

3. It is collectible CP investment. It is not.

So I assume this is bottom-end LLLL.com investment that will never find end-user and will rise only in case Chinese will buy them in desperacy of having CP with just one useless letter, or this collectible will rise along with the whole market moving after CPs.

 

[MR PACKER]

And tell me whats different about 2007/2008 4 letter bubble?

OMG that is sooooo obvious.....THE CHINESE!!!! Hello!!!!