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For people entering the domaining world, can they actually make a living buying/selling seeing how things are so competitive and scarce?

Are their any examples of people who recently got into domaining and are doing very well? What sort of investment did they make?

Thanks!
 
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some rep somewhere once told me they saw a guy who's been strcitly handregging stuff ... for years ... and seling for XX bins.. that's many bins and many sales.. they said he's a millionaire today ;)

I guess that's one way of getting there heh

..... but then some other guy told me he saw a fairytale.. so you just can never be sure...

like this guy here lol:

 
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The first thing you need to know if you want to make it is that most people don't.

I'm not saying this because I've interviewed/talked to a lot of domainers necessarily, but because by now I've put in hundreds of hours (probably more) going over domain expiration list and reviewing auction lists. What all that information I've learned from that has told me is that:

Most people have registered and still register horrible domains!

I've found there are 2 characteristics that mark most of the more better domainers (aside from experience and all the other obvious stuff):

1- Good domainers are very knowledgeable.

2- Good domainers have a good command of the English language.



Obviously there is more to it, and if you're only focused on supershort domains or numerics and/or very local (non-english specific), then you can certainly still do well in such specific niches.

However finding a good domain is like finding out a good piece of art. You have to know (or be able to research and understand) the subject of the domain, as well as know if the wording "works".

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ALL domainers make mistakes and have grabbed bad domains. But having those 2 qualities help limit the damage that can be done. The two biggest mistakes made by domainers are:

1- Most domainers buy domains that nobody will be interested in.

2- Most domainers buy domains that are not worded properly.



1- Knowledge: When it comes to being knowledgeable there are two factors. One is knowing about the domain industry itself, and for that there is tons of information available most importantly here at NamePros, podscasts like @DomainSherpa's and the many blogs out there like @Domain Shane's. Spend hundreds of hours listening and reading and you certainly can improve on this front. However there is another important part of knowledge that applied to domaining that isn't mentioned often ... and that is "general knowledge". If you have a bit of knowledge on large number of things, then it definitely helps you identify domains for cheap that probably would have been missed by another domainer who didn't know about the subject. The more you open your horizons and learn about the world around you, the more you'll be able to find domains that others don't.

2- English: Obviously the entire world does not center on English. But global finance and information does. The best way to waste money in domaining is putting words in the wrong order or putting the plural version of a word when it should be singular (and vice-versa). Unfortunately there is no short term fix for this .. you need to learn English .. and be good at it. Otherwise you will miss out a lot of opportunities .. and more importantly .. you will waste less money on badly worded domains.



https://www.namepros.com/threads/my-second-year-has-come-to-an-end.1008990/#post-6066751

Please don't take this as me saying people cannot be good/successful domainers without these 2 factors ... however I am saying that your chances of being successful (already very difficult for knowledgeable English speakers .. lol) will go up significantly if you have those two traits behind you.


Anyhow .. another huge factors are hard work and dumb luck ... so aside from all the recommendations I mentioned above .. I'll also wish you lots of luck! :)
Just read and reread this today. Very good stuff and a lot to take away from it.

I am not quite sure what you would call this problem . . . lack of focus or discipline, addition perhaps? Anyways one issue I have been grappling with is this . . . I am several grand into domaining now. If I knew then what I knew now, I would have done this . . . I would have 10 domains that I was willing to hold for the long term, but willing to sell at anytime. Then I would have said I get $599 to hand reg 100 names, and then hand regs got to 100, thats it until I sell hand regs. So a portfolio of no more than 100 of my own hand regs:) I probably would have slotted some money for drop lists, eBay, name pros, that kind of after market venue.

But that isn't what happened. And now, though not as much now as then, I felt like let me hand reg this or that and so thinking hey Ill spend 15 on 3 names vs hundreds on one. For example the other day I hand reg VrAffect.com I think there is legit possibilities there! Other posters not so much. At the time of hand regging Im not thinking this will bail me out or fix all my problems! I am also thinking there is potential even if it isn't XXXX potential. For me today I would not sell VrAffect.com for $100. If 5 months go by and no inquiries I might do a BIN here or Godaddy for $75.
 
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Guys from the 90's will get eaten alive by young guns today. Everyone knows it. Tons of new talent in domaining and doing great. Most so called famous domainers will not last 1 month in todays market.
Agreed :)
 
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some rep somewhere once told me they saw a guy who's been strcitly handregging stuff ... for years ... and seling for XX bins.. that's many bins and many sales.. they said he's a millionaire today ;)

I guess that's one way of getting there heh

..... but then some other guy told me he saw a fairytale.. so you just can never be sure...

like this guy here lol:

Doesn't seem to far fetched. About 11,000 domains sold at 100 bucks a pop minus reg fees will get you 1 million bucks. 11,000 domains is really not that many when you think about it.
 
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The clue behind this biz is to know the good stuffs. It does not mean that new commers should hand regs only, though there are still good hand regs in the ocean. But there are real gems dropping on daily bases for any one to catch or to re-regs.

Yes ! new commers can make it in the biz provided such person can decode good ones.
If you are a new commer, yes! there is hope, it is just a matter of learning to know the good ones. Cheers and good luck.
 
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What is a successful domainer? I think it is a person who acquires domain names to achieve an end. Most people seem to assume that the only end is to make a quick profit by selling them. There are other reasons.

- Purchasing names as part of a pension plan. The income can provide a pension
- Hedges against the collapse of fiat currency
- Registering names as an investment for the future.
- Using names as a tool to achieve a political or other objective.
 
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Succesful domainers imho operate in the black, many new domainers reg hundreds and thousands of domains right off the bat, renewing becomes almost impossible to maintain. Even though they may have sales overall they operate in the red, year after year.
Best strategy in my view is stay small so one or 2 sales a year cover reg fees, until the new industry technology names come into play and can be sold for bigger amounts.
Joe T

Exactly what my plan is. Am retired, have been for 15 years. This is my new hobby for me. Have been reading for months, bought 2ndomains to learn and practice with, and today bought 8 domains. Now, I have a year to sell them. It'll keep me busy and it's better than sitting in my underwear playing Sudoko.
 
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lot and lot of motivation and great information in this thread, thank you all :)
 
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The domain business is just as any other business. If you want to become succesful in it it depends on your goals and state of mind. Do you want to start so you can become a millionaire? Or just make some extra money on the side? Make a full time income?

You should treat it like any other "job". Invest time, energy and some money. Be ready to learn and listen but decide for yourself what's best.

But yeah I think no matter what oyu start as a newcomer you can make it :)
 
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I sort of fell into domaining - had a website I ran (part-time) for almost 15 years on the side, then one day a business that had the .net offered to buy my .com domain. He offered a low number - and that's when my research began! I ended up selling the name to them for $1500 and that became my seed money for getting into this business.

Although the Name Pros threads have a wealth of information, I have found the best experience is to actually buy and sell domains and learn from you own experience. A hundred people can tell you not to do something, but maybe it takes trying it yourself and finding it doesn't work for you to learn!
 
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I think one of the biggest myths in domaining is that anyone can 'make it'.

The cold reality is that a small fraction of people have the potential. For those who don't have the potential, they can put in all the time, hard work and tears but they won't make it happen.

It's logical really. Take anything else, singing, acting, accounting, teaching, nursing.. Do we each have the potential to make a living out of absolutely any conceivable career path? No. We all have strengths and weaknesses.

Luck. Because domain name investing has a very high luck component (especially as relates to being there at the right time and place for an impactful convertable inbound inquiry), it makes it exponentially more important to have a skill/mindset functioning at a high level to stack the deck in your favor with all the decisions/ judgment on calls that are made. Especially knowing when to say no to buying a domain!

The good news is that those with the potential and right temperament really can experience amazing successes in domain names.
 
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If I knew then what I knew now, I would have done this . . . I would have 10 domains that I was willing to hold for the long term, but willing to sell at anytime. Then I would have said I get $599 to hand reg 100 names, and then hand regs got to 100, thats it until I sell hand regs. So a portfolio of no more than 100 of my own hand regs:) I probably would have slotted some money for drop lists, eBay, name pros, that kind of after market venue.
I don't see the problem at all. You can evaluate your current portfolio with the knowledge you gained and sort the names to the "good" ones and "toxic" ones. For the good ones the strategy would be like you wrote - hold for long term and willing to sell anytime! The "toxic" names you can either drop or auction off for $1.
After you have done it you have drawn a line. Under this line you add only names with the new criteria.
With this method you clean up and save some money and get mindpeace. If you will chase the sale for every "toxic" name you will get crazy. Focus only on the good ones! :xf.smile:
 
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I don't see the problem at all. You can evaluate your current portfolio with the knowledge you gained and sort the names to the "good" ones and "toxic" ones. For the good ones the strategy would be like you wrote - hold for long term and willing to sell anytime! The "toxic" names you can either drop or auction off for $1.
After you have done it you have drawn a line. Under this line you add only names with the new criteria.
With this method you clean up and save some money and get mindpeace. If you will chase the sale for every "toxic" name you will get crazy. Focus only on the good ones! :xf.smile:
This is my policy at the moment, with one exception. Rather than trying to sell medium to good names, I'm looking at monetising them. I'm especially interested in sponsors who will provide a generated sales web site so that I can use a name with minimum effort.
 
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I think one of the biggest myths in domaining is that anyone can 'make it'.

The cold reality is that a small fraction of people have the potential. For those who don't have the potential, they can put in all the time, hard work and tears but they won't make it happen.

It's logical really. Take anything else, singing, acting, accounting, teaching, nursing.. Do we each have the potential to make a living out of absolutely any conceivable career path? No. We all have strengths and weaknesses.

Luck. Because domain name investing has a very high luck component (especially as relates to being there at the right time and place for an impactful convertable inbound inquiry), it makes it exponentially more important to have a skill/mindset functioning at a high level to stack the deck in your favor with all the decisions/ judgment on calls that are made. Especially knowing when to say no to buying a domain!

The good news is that those with the potential and right temperament really can experience amazing successes in domain names.

I don't agree with your assessment here. Singing and acting take talent. I can take lessons to the cows come home. Ill improve for sure, but is it good enough to be excellent? No! Ill never be an actor or singer. Being an accountant, teacher, or nurse is skill based. Most anyone can be taught how to do these three jobs. I does not take talent to be an accountant, teacher, or nurse . . . skill and hard work! I think domaining is a skill, anyone can be taught how to domain.

I do agree our strengths and weaknesses def play a role. Temperament and personality also influence success as you allude to. Ill take luck as well. If I sell a domain for 10k from existing portfolio, I got lucky. If I sell 3-4 XXXXX domains from current portfolio, I saw something no one else did. That isn't luck.
 
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I don't agree with your assessment here. Singing and acting take talent. I can take lessons to the cows come home. Ill improve for sure, but is it good enough to be excellent? No! Ill never be an actor or singer. Being an accountant, teacher, or nurse is skill based. Most anyone can be taught how to do these three jobs. I does not take talent to be an accountant, teacher, or nurse . . . skill and hard work! I think domaining is a skill, anyone can be taught how to domain.

I do agree our strengths and weaknesses def play a role. Temperament and personality also influence success as you allude to. Ill take luck as well. If I sell a domain for 10k from existing portfolio, I got lucky. If I sell 3-4 XXXXX domains from current portfolio, I saw something no one else did. That isn't luck.
You can become a nurse or teacher, be ineffective/ poor at your job, and still get paid. Domain investing doesn't have that predictable income, rather the opposite with annual liabilities unless you really have 'assets' that can keep you floating or shoot you out of the water to safe land.

Let's invert my logic a little. If everyone has that potential as you say, then there must be a possibility that everyone can become successful at the same time. This is not possible due to key variables such as 99.999%+ of domains having no value, the oversupply with limited demand, the stagnation of elite domain assets in the hands of the few and so on.. These are market factors alone not looking at the personal reasons why not everyone has that potential.

These market forces alone mean that only a small group of people can become successful and you had to have that potential in the first place to be able to rise.
 
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Signs of potential:

- mind over heart, removing emotions from decision making processes

- fast learner, especially to move on from mistakes

- harness/refine an ability to discern between a gamble, an asset/ investment, liability etc..

- patience

- gut/instinct. Most who are handregging of course have 0 in this category as well as those above.

- can't convince themselves of something (they want to believe to be true but isn't)*

In a 'Coming to America' scenario, is it possible someone who has none of the above traits can make it? Sure, as long as it wasn't * (see above) then they had an x-factor variable of some kind which means they had that raw potential all along.
 
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I don't agree with your assessment here. Singing and acting take talent. I can take lessons to the cows come home. Ill improve for sure, but is it good enough to be excellent? No! Ill never be an actor or singer. Being an accountant, teacher, or nurse is skill based. Most anyone can be taught how to do these three jobs. I does not take talent to be an accountant, teacher, or nurse . . . skill and hard work! I think domaining is a skill, anyone can be taught how to domain.

I do agree our strengths and weaknesses def play a role. Temperament and personality also influence success as you allude to. Ill take luck as well. If I sell a domain for 10k from existing portfolio, I got lucky. If I sell 3-4 XXXXX domains from current portfolio, I saw something no one else did. That isn't luck.
Singing and acting do take talent, yes. Absolutely but you also learn to be better. You get taught to be better. Experience, coaching, practice, etc. etc.
Same goes with accounting, teaching, and nursing. You need to be born with that brain wired for numbers to be any good. You need to be born with that brain wired to teach others to be any good. You need to be born with that brain for nursing (compassion) to be any good. The world is full of bad accountants, teachers, and nurses. They have all been taught the "skill" to do it but they do not have the talent to be any good nor do they have the temperament or personality.
This is not to say that one can not be good at something if they are not born with an inherent talent to do it. Practice, learning the "skill", etc will allow one to overcome those obstacles and perhaps be one of the best there is to be sure but comparing whether you can be successful in acting or accounting without being born with that "knack" doesn't ring true in my own head but it really helps.
I am not trying to say that if I practice enough I can beat Michael Phelps or a shark but that some things can be taught and some can't, it depends on the person. That's just what I think......which doesn't really matter in the end.
Luck? Hell, that plays into so much in all aspects of life.
 
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You can become a nurse or teacher, be ineffective/ poor at your job, and still get paid. Domain investing doesn't have that predictable income, rather the opposite with annual liabilities unless you really have 'assets' that can keep you floating or shoot you out of the water to safe land.

Let's invert my logic a little. If everyone has that potential as you say, then there must be a possibility that everyone can become successful at the same time. This is not possible due to key variables such as 99.999%+ of domains having no value, the oversupply with limited demand, the stagnation of elite domain assets in the hands of the few and so on.. These are market factors alone not looking at the personal reasons why not everyone has that potential.

These market forces alone mean that only a small group of people can become successful and you had to have that potential in the first place to be able to rise.
There is a big difference between anyone and everyone don't you think? The question was "Can newcomers to domaining still make it realistically?" I am not saying everyone will make it, I am saying anyone can make it. In fact I said most anyone can be taught to do those three skill jobs you mentioned. I think most anyone can be taught to be a successful domainer. I do not think everyone will become a successful domainer . . . even though how we define success could be a lot different.

I agree with the income aspect you mentioned in general. This is part time for me. If I pay $200 for a domain and get a $220 sale, I don't excited a whole lot. It is a positive though. If I hand reg a domain for 5.99 and sell it for $26, I feel much better even though the dollars are still only a twenty spot up!

"Let's invert my logic a little. If everyone has that potential as you say, then there must be a possibility that everyone can become successful at the same time. This is not possible due to key variables such as 99.999%+ of domains having no value, the oversupply with limited demand, the stagnation of elite domain assets in the hands of the few and so on.. These are market factors alone not looking at the personal reasons why not everyone has that potential." Most everyone has potential! I do not think everyone can or will be successful at the same time. Simple supply and demand as you allude to will make it difficult for people to succeed at same time. There will be people that do not understand English very well, and will reg complete crap. I have no idea what % of domains have no value. Is it 99%? How many possible domains are there?

We may ultimately just disagree, and that is fine! Keeps things exciting!! I think of domaining in this sense like education in America. Everyone, most everyone, has the opportunity or potential to better their lives by getting an education, but not everyone will. I would also say, and this may be more of your broader point and if it is we are probably in agreement say 95%;) And that is, in the same way that we have opportunity or potential with education or domains, we do not have EQUAL opportunity. I did not have the same opportunity to become president like President Trump. My students at school do not have the same opportunity to become president like President Obama.

So most people have the opportunity to succeed.
Most won't.
The opportunity is not equal for all people.
 
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