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Can I become a (Non-Resident) Canadian Registered Agent for .ca domains using a Canadian Trademark?

Labeled as question in ccTLD Discussion started by WhoaDomain.com, Feb 5, 2020.

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  1. WhoaDomain.com

    WhoaDomain.com WhoaDomain.com Gold Account VIP

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    Hello,
    recently I created a thread on here about .ca domains.

    Many mentioned it was impossible and that there are no registrars that would do it because it is so strict.

    It seems it is possible to own a .ca domain if you don't live in Canada.

    It just would be an expensive proposition.

    Here are the options

    1. Open up a company in Canada with a physical address.
    2. Move to Canada and have a physical address there and be a citizen passport and driver's license.
    3. This last one is the main focus of discussion here. Register a Canadian Trademark.

    I've looked into this rabbit hole and the prices are of course high..

    Ranging from $705 at Marcaria to $905 at your typical Canadian TM lawyer.

    Not a very good idea at first glance when you figure you probably just wanted to register 1 or 2 domains.

    .ca is kind of like "virgin lands" from the looks of it. with population of 37 million. It's not huge like USA but still. that's no chump change.

    So say you plopped down $705 at Marcaria for a Trademark in Canada?

    Now you can legally register .ca domains legal at any registrar for the cheap regular price not $150 to include the registered agent option.

    with that said.

    for the cost of $705 to be worthwhile you'd have to register about what?

    Figiure $10 to register a .ca or less at some places.

    $700/ $10 = 70 domains.

    I don't think I'd plan on ever buying that many domains but consider that at one point Marcaria was charging $150 to register .ca domain with registered agent in tow.

    $700/$150. At $600 that's 4 .ca domains. At $750 that's 5 domains.

    but..if you plan on keeping the domains for years to age them. After that first year. you only pay $10 each so you save there.

    But I think the real money saver is if you use that register trademark to become yourself a register agent for .ca domains.

    Yes or no?

    or would THAT not be allowed?

    I mean not technically a registered agent. Effectively I'd register whatever domain you tell me and it would be all on the "honor system" lol I know I know. no one will ever trust that much but let's assume someone is ok with this.

    would this work?

    Could I with a registered trademark in Canada warehouse for non-canadians domains not in their names but mine?

    That's essentially a registered agent right?

    I could charge $50-$120 per domain like Marcaria was doing.
    How would this not work?

    I can't wait to hear some responses. lol

    and for perspective.

    Domain Price Date Venue
    jobs.ca 600,000 USD 2008-05-07 Private
    jobs.ca 450,000 USD 2013-12-25 Sedo
    poker.ca 400,000 USD 2010-06-01 SnapNames
    slots.ca 206,906 USD 2010-07-09 Private
    flights.ca 120,000 USD 2012-01-18 Private
    flight.ca 99,000 USD 2013-08-14 GoDaddy
    loans.ca 88,000 USD 2017-12-31 eMall.ca
    ticket.ca 77,000 USD 2020-01-05 eMall.ca
    coupon.ca 75,600 USD 2011-01-03 excellentdomains.ca
    pw.ca 60,000 USD 2010-07-21 Private

    Domain Price Date Venue
    ia.ca 58,590 USD 2014-01-15 ExcellentDomains.ca
    cv.ca 54,977 USD 2008-07-01 MyID.ca
    ampli.ca 50,000 USD 2018-06-18 Sedo
    cheapvacations.ca 47,000 USD 2012-03-28 Uniregistry
    flu.ca 45,000 USD 2012-02-08 Uniregistry
    banks.ca 41,000 USD 2008-04-09 Pool
    rh.ca 39,750 USD 2017-07-23 IREX.ca
    racing.ca 39,200 USD 2013-02-25 Afternic
    trucks.ca 36,800 USD 2014-09-10 iREx.ca
    savings.ca 36,050 USD 2006-03-28 Pool

    Domain Price Date Venue
    carloan.ca 36,000 USD 2016-04-29 Uniregistry
    shopthehood.ca 35,200 USD 2014-10-22 ShopCity
    ig.ca 34,000 USD 2019-04-07 UnicDomains
    play.ca 34,000 USD 2010-01-26 N49 Interactive
    cruise.ca 33,363 USD 2006-05-23 Private
    venture.ca 32,500 USD 2011-02-25 Sedo
    gmx.ca 31,200 USD 2008-07-30 Sedo
    interview.ca 30,933 USD 2008-07-09 myid.ca
    ahs.ca 30,000 USD 2015-07-19 UnicDomains
    f**ckbook.ca 30,000 USD 2013-03-11 Sedo

    Domain Price Date Venue
    vu.ca 30,000 USD 2012-12-05 ExcellentDomains.ca
    efax.ca 30,000 USD 2012-11-28 Uniregistry
    dt.ca 29,000 USD 2019-07-07 UnicDomains/Above Marketplace
    autoloan.ca 29,000 USD 2017-04-20 Uniregistry
    interaction.ca 28,880 USD 2010-01-01 Private
    casinogames.ca 28,000 USD 2014-04-16 Uniregistry
    onlinecasinos.ca 28,000 USD 2011-01-29 Sedo
    drugs.ca 27,840 USD 2013-11-13 Emall.ca Inc.
    delivery.ca 26,801 USD 2006-05-09 MyID.ca
    bonus.ca 26,250 USD 2014-03-12 DomainNames.ca
     
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  2. equity78

    equity78 Top Member TheDomains Staff TLDInvestors.com PRO VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    I would think @MapleDots would be the best person to answer, along with consulting a lawyer.

    The extension has had 55 sales over the last two years, Juice might not be worth the squeeze for a non Canadian not knowing the market intimately.

    ticket.ca 77,000 USD 2020-01-05 eMall.ca
    ampli.ca 50,000 USD 2018-06-18 Sedo
    ig.ca 34,000 USD 2019-04-07 UnicDomains
    dt.ca 29,000 USD 2019-07-07 UnicDomains/Above Marketplace
    ar.ca 25,000 USD 2018-10-14 UnicDomains
    paw.ca 18,000 USD 2019-11-03 Silent.domains
    betonline.ca 16,000 USD 2019-07-14 DropWizard
    activate.ca 15,882 USD 2019-08-18 Uniregistry
    red.ca 15,532 USD 2018-03-03 MapleDots.ca
    thistledown.ca 15,495 USD 2019-12-11 Sedo
    are.ca 15,000 USD 2018-03-15 Uniregistry
    dn.ca 13,121 USD 2018-03-03 MapleDots.ca
    bitcoincash.ca 12,000 USD 2018-02-11 eMall.ca
    mybud.ca 11,100 USD 2019-05-26 DomainMedia.ca
    wig.ca 10,000 USD 2019-10-13 Uniregistry
    cover.ca 10,000 USD 2019-02-20 Sedo
    oakridge.ca 10,000 USD 2018-10-28 GoDaddy
    rentberry.ca 8,888 USD 2018-12-06 Sedo
    perfect.ca 8,732 USD 2018-03-08 MapleDots.ca
    day.ca 7,400 USD 2018-05-20 Afternic
    balance.ca 7,000 USD 2019-05-24 Sedo
    ghost.ca 6,900 USD 2019-12-01 Uniregistry
    natgo.ca 6,000 USD 2018-03-27 Sedo
    sportsexpert.ca 5,580 USD 2019-12-16 Sedo
    growlight.ca 5,500 USD 2018-04-26 Sedo
    headphones.ca 5,300 USD 2019-05-01 Sedo
    rowingblazers.ca 5,000 USD 2019-03-27 Sedo
    playground.ca 5,000 USD 2018-10-14 UnicDomains
    gotweed.ca 4,999 USD 2019-09-10 Sedo
    remix.ca 4,999 USD 2018-04-24 Sedo
    ojo.ca 4,000 USD 2019-06-20 Sedo
    paperclip.ca 4,000 USD 2018-05-11 Sedo
    nirvana.ca 3,500 USD 2019-10-20 Uniregistry
    vipcasino.ca 3,500 USD 2018-10-19 Sedo
    blackmarket.ca 3,500 USD 2018-10-14 UnicDomains
    ena.ca 3,000 USD 2019-10-09 Sedo
    perk.ca 2,999 USD 2018-10-03 Sedo
    debut.ca 2,999 USD 2018-02-28 Flippa
    floor.ca 2,990 USD 2018-08-12 AscendDomains
    cd.ca 2,667 USD 2019-07-31 NameJet
    galaxydigital.ca 2,500 USD 2019-09-13 Sedo
    phonecases.ca 2,500 USD 2018-03-05 Sedo
    cannagram.ca 2,495 USD 2020-01-13 Sedo
    toke.ca 2,490 USD 2018-03-12 Sedo
    anza.ca 2,000 USD 2019-10-22 Sedo
    pulsar.ca 2,000 USD 2019-04-18 Sedo
    home2go.ca 2,000 USD 2018-06-22 Sedo
    cux.ca 1,500 USD 2018-11-01 Flippa
    lumi.ca 944 USD 2018-02-15 Uniregistry
    emf.ca 400 USD 2020-01-03 Sedo
    connexus.ca 400 USD 2019-08-20 Sedo
    hookedup.ca 225 USD 2018-12-10 Sedo
    ojo.ca 200 USD 2018-09-20 Sedo
    ilk.ca 175 USD 2020-01-10 Sedo
    bulkcbd.ca 149 USD 2020-01-18 Afternic

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  3. bmugford

    bmugford www.DataCube.com PRO ICA Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    I don't think simply having a TM satisfies the Canadian Presence Requirements to register unrelated domains.

    https://cira.ca/policy/rules-and-procedures/canadian-presence-requirements-registrants

    Trade-mark registered in Canada. A Person which does not meet any of the foregoing conditions, but which is the owner of a trade-mark which is the subject of a registration under the Trade-marks Act (Canada) R.S.C. 1985, c.T-13 as amended from time to time, but in this case such permission is limited to an application to register a .ca domain name consisting of or including the exact word component of that registered trade-mark
     
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  4. Abdullah Abdullah

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    I dont think you would need to have a TM in order to own one, what matters is the actual presence there. I have a partner there and we are setting up a company and having made a research,it is and you dont have to pay anything other than the normal expenses to running the business.
     
  5. poing

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    Agree with what was said above, as far as registering a TM and unrelated domains.

    With regards to acting as an agent - as far as I understand that isn't allowed either, as you are not allowed to hold a domain on someone else's behalf. Apparently domains are investigated based on complaints, but if I remember correctly, CIRA also audits domain registrations on their own.

    Peter Maxymych of emall explored an option a while back by at high expense, along with several lawyers. It included setting up a trust that holds the domains, but as far as I recall, this didn't fly at CIRA either and lead to a change of the rules.
     
  6. WhoaDomain.com

    WhoaDomain.com WhoaDomain.com Gold Account VIP

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    Wow. Cool thanks. I would not have not known this info without your post.

    I do notice a ton of domains sold via Emall as the venue.

    ticket.ca 77,000 USD 2020-01-05 eMall.ca
    bitcoincash.ca 12,000 USD 2018-02-11 eMall.ca
    lotto.ca 14,400 USD 2017-12-31 eMall.ca
    loans.ca 88,000 USD 2017-12-31 eMall.ca
     
  7. WhoaDomain.com

    WhoaDomain.com WhoaDomain.com Gold Account VIP

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    I solved my own problem. Thanks to all who contributed. Thanks.
     

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