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Leo2k

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I see that people are frequently looking for or mentioning about domains taken in multiple extensions as one of the key factors while buying or selling a domain. I would like to clarify few things.

If a domain is taken in multiple extensions,
  1. More chances for trademark issues in the future
  2. Confusion for the visitors with regards to other extensions reaching different site / business if they check.
  3. Buyer looses a chance to own all important extensions for the domain name while paying high price for one extension
Yet, people mention it as an advantage if the domain name is taken in multiple extensions, with a reason that that name has some demand.

How does it increases value of a domain when the domain name end user has to worry about the above mentioned factors?
 
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LoveCatchyDomains

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I see that people are frequently looking for or mentioning about domains taken in multiple extensions as one of the key factors while buying or selling a domain. I would like to clarify few things.

If a domain is taken in multiple extensions,
  1. More chances for trademark issues in the future
  2. Confusion for the visitors with regards to other extensions reaching different site / business if they check.
  3. Buyer looses a chance to own all important extensions for the domain name while paying high price for one extension

How does it increases value of a domain when the domain name end user has to worry about the above mentioned factors?

That's the basic issue here. And the best response to it so far, I feel, was from from @johnn in
his posting as a guide to newbies

"Names that registered in 1,000 extensions. This has nothing to do with the value of the name. As a matter of fact, the more extensions the name is registered the more chance that you will have problems with Trade Mark issues."
 
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VadimK

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Well, it's just a simple fact that if more extensions are taken (by different parties, not one), then it means that more people think about the name over the time, finding it attractive - thus more chances to sell.

To your mentioned points:

1. https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/search - check here before registering and you are pretty much safe. And what will be in the future? Well, everyone will die in the future. People worry way too much nowadays about hypothetical trademark issues, missing the opportunities.

2. There is confusion only if you are registering tld other than dot com, and we are pretty much talking about com here. Talking about other extensions - yes, possible, but they won't have that much value, compared to com anyways.

3. All ''important'' extensions will be taken already, so, no worries about this part ))
 
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LoveCatchyDomains

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2. There is confusion only if you are registering tld other than dot com, and we are pretty much talking about com here. Talking about other extensions - yes, possible, but they won't have that much value, compared to com anyways.
Thanks for emphasizing that the value is really for the .com, if taken in numerous extensions. The way some buyer postings on Namepros read, it seemed that the interest was in domains in general that had been taken in multiple extensions.

When I read one of those buyer request posts initially, I remember thinking, "Hey, maybe I should buy a bunch of the other extensions as well, espeically those $1 sales, and maybe that would increase the value of my .com?" Well, I'm glad I didn't pursue that strategy, and suggest for others that that may be a very dubious investment.

Thanks, Vlad, for chiming in.
 
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topdom

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There are about 2000 extensions, but highest number of registrations is less than 800 for any keyword, and those above 600 are like eth, crypto, bitcoin, nft, meta; and classical hot words like travel, loan, music, computer, casino, money, hotel, cruise,.. etc have far fewer registrations. So can we assume more than half of all extensions are in extremely low demand, or am I missing something; maybe reg fees and renewal fees are too high for anybody, or hot keywords may be reserved.
 
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VadimK

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Thanks for emphasizing that the value is really for the .com, if taken in numerous extensions. The way some buyer postings on Namepros read, it seemed that the interest was in domains in general that had been taken in multiple extensions.

When I read one of those buyer request posts initially, I remember thinking, "Hey, maybe I should buy a bunch of the other extensions as well, espeically those $1 sales, and maybe that would increase the value of my .com?" Well, I'm glad I didn't pursue that strategy, and suggest for others that that may be a very dubious investment.

Thanks, Vlad, for chiming in.

Ok, if we are not talking about com, but just any other extension, it still doesn't deny the fact that the names with more tlds taken are more popular. However, in this case I wouldn't take this factor (number of tlds) as an important one, but rather a supportive one.

I would look at a niche (keyword), popularity of a specific tld I want to take, and generally, what is my plan for such a name?

For pumping value of name taking more than 1 tld - that's an interesting strategy ))
I myself check through for such cases and it's not that rare at all that one company takes 10-15 extensions right away (mainly I guess with a project in mind).
 
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I see that people are frequently looking for or mentioning about domains taken in multiple extensions as one of the key factors while buying or selling a domain. I would like to clarify few things.

If a domain is taken in multiple extensions,
  1. More chances for trademark issues in the future
  2. Confusion for the visitors with regards to other extensions reaching different site / business if they check.
  3. Buyer looses a chance to own all important extensions for the domain name while paying high price for one extension
Yet, people mention it as an advantage if the domain name is taken in multiple extensions, with a reason that that name has some demand.

How does it increases value of a domain when the domain name end user has to worry about the above mentioned factors?
There are alot of words those are Generic and can't be Trademarked. More it is registered in TLDs, more it has value. For example : pizza, video, game, street, ball, burger, restaurant. Surely they are more valuable than thank, porcelain, excavation, medec. How we now? From the TLDs registered, surely pizza and restaurant are more popular than porcelain and medec
 
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GoodKindName

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Microsoft - taken in 567 TLDs per dotdb
basically one end-user
high risk of UDRP
low value

Nova - taken in 495 TLDs per dotdb
tens of thousands of end-users
UDRP risk still exists but unlikely to win since no single entity owns the term
high value depending on the extension
 
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Leo2k

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There are alot of words those are Generic and can't be Trademarked. More it is registered in TLDs, more it has value. For example : pizza, video, game, street, ball, burger, restaurant. Surely they are more valuable than thank, porcelain, excavation, medec. How we now? From the TLDs registered, surely pizza and restaurant are more popular than porcelain and medec
But Words like Pizza, Video, Game, etc are more valuable because of their name itself and not because its registered in many Tld's.
And, probably there would be no buyer for many of the extensions with those names, assuming for ex
Pizza.loan, pizza.properties, pizza.stream, pizza.creditcard, pizza.credit, pizza.engineering

We have lot of tld's which may be suitable only for some names which belong to that category and not all.

So I believe those names have value because of their name themselves and not because they were taken in multiple tld's.
 
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LoveCatchyDomains

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I myself check through for such cases and it's not that rare at all that one company takes 10-15 extensions right away (mainly I guess with a project in mind).
Smart. Cheaper than doing a UDRP for a company, I guess?
So I believe those names have value because of their name themselves and not because they were taken in multiple tld's.
Yes, so it does not make sense to be swayed into buying a tld because it is taken in over "x+" extensions. Thank you, again, for the keen questions you post!
 
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But Words like Pizza, Video, Game, etc are more valuable because of their name itself and not because its registered in many Tld's.
And, probably there would be no buyer for many of the extensions with those names, assuming for ex
Pizza.loan, pizza.properties, pizza.stream, pizza.creditcard, pizza.credit, pizza.engineering

We have lot of tld's which may be suitable only for some names which belong to that category and not all.

So I believe those names have value because of their name themselves and not because they were taken in multiple tld's.
Sometime new company has not enough money to buy the right name in right TLD. But after they have money, they upgrade to the new TLD.

One of the example is ETH.limo. After they got enough money, they bought ETH.link. The story had been viral because they loosed ETH.link, and got it back through court. But their first URL is ETH.limo. What is the correlation of ETH and Limo? The most important thing is ETH since their service has correlation with Ethereum.
 
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Leo2k

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Sometime new company has not enough money to buy the right name in right TLD. But after they have money, they upgrade to the new TLD.

One of the example is ETH.limo. After they got enough money, they bought ETH.link. The story had been viral because they loosed ETH.link, and got it back through court. But their first URL is ETH.limo. What is the correlation of ETH and Limo? The most important thing is ETH since their service has correlation with Ethereum.
Even here the word Eth has the value than it was taken in many extensions.
For example, I can register

Icanregistersomerandomdomainname.com
and the same name in as much as extensions as possible as far as I have the fund. Now the domain name would have been taken in 100+ or 500+ or 1000+ extensions.

But I don't think anyone would buy that Icanregistersomerandomdomainname.com for a huge amount just because it was taken in huge number of extensions.

Similarly, main words like NFT or web3 or any short dictionary name which would easily get demand.
For example, assume it was not registered in any tld other than .com, Still the Web3.com would have its value.
 
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Even here the word Eth has the value than it was taken in many extensions.
For example, I can register

Icanregistersomerandomdomainname.com
and the same name in as much as extensions as possible as far as I have the fund. Now the domain name would have been taken in 100+ or 500+ or 1000+ extensions.

But I don't think anyone would buy that Icanregistersomerandomdomainname.com for a huge amount just because it was taken in huge number of extensions.

Similarly, main words like NFT or web3 or any short dictionary name which would easily get demand.
For example, assume it was not registered in any tld other than .com, Still the Web3.com would have its value.
That's what a domainer says.. End users, if you really know list of that companies, especially in Web3, Crypto, DeFi and NFT use cheap or premium domains from many TLDs.. And they still get ssets and marketcap millions or billions of $... Domaining is not their main business, so no one talking the importance of .com.. Mostly not using .com

ETH.limo
Defi.ch
Defi.security
Balancer.fi
Exponential.fi
Pancakeswap.finance
Acala.network
Compound.finance
Mimo.capital
Defiyield.app
Avax.network
Defiplaza.net
Fantom.fondation
Argent.xyz
Chain.link
Pollen.id
Conduit.financial
DYDX.exchange
Harmony.one
P.network
Donut.app
Phantom.app
Defiance.capital

Show me if mostly of them using .com
 
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Leo2k

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That's what a domainer says.. End users, if you really know list of that companies, especially in Web3, Crypto, DeFi and NFT use cheap or premium domains from many TLDs.. And they still get ssets and marketcap millions or billions of $... Domaining is not their main business, so no one talking the importance of .com.. Mostly not using .com

ETH.limo
Defi.ch
Defi.security
Balancer.fi
Exponential.fi
Pancakeswap.finance
Acala.network
Compound.finance
Mimo.capital
Defiyield.app
Avax.network
Defiplaza.net
Fantom.fondation
Argent.xyz
Chain.link
Pollen.id
Conduit.financial
DYDX.exchange
Harmony.one
P.network
Donut.app
Phantom.app
Defiance.capital

Show me if mostly of them using .com
Here, the discussion is about why domain name taken in multiple extensions is given importance.

Just because these names in registered in above tld's, same names in other tld's are not going to get more value. They may get value only because of the name and not because of the number of tld's they are registered.

For ex from the above, DYDX.exchange, lets say had already registered the same name in many other top tld's.
Yet, DYDX.host or DYDX.sex is not going to get a huge value because that name is already registered in many other tld's.

And going by my 1st point, since the name is already being used by a business, same domain in another tld still cannot easily run a similar business if the business name is trademarked. Its an unnecessary issue for the domain buyer / user. Here even .com looses some value than gaining. End user would easily go for a different name unless its a small time business which doesn't bother about any of these and not going to invest a huge amount on that domain.
 
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I see that people are frequently looking for or mentioning about domains taken in multiple extensions as one of the key factors while buying or selling a domain. I would like to clarify few things.

If a domain is taken in multiple extensions,
  1. More chances for trademark issues in the future
  2. Confusion for the visitors with regards to other extensions reaching different site / business if they check.
  3. Buyer looses a chance to own all important extensions for the domain name while paying high price for one extension
Yet, people mention it as an advantage if the domain name is taken in multiple extensions, with a reason that that name has some demand.

How does it increases value of a domain when the domain name end user has to worry about the above mentioned factors?
It is one of the key factors I consider.

If a domain is taken in many extensions it is generally an indication of demand for a term.
More demand = more potential buyers.

As long as the term is a generic word or phrase, it is a good metric to consider.

Sure popular terms are going to come with higher risk, because they are more valuable and in demand.
If you want there to be no risk I guess what you can do is just buy domains that have no demand.

Brad
 
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But Words like Pizza, Video, Game, etc are more valuable because of their name itself and not because its registered in many Tld's.
And, probably there would be no buyer for many of the extensions with those names, assuming for ex
Pizza.loan, pizza.properties, pizza.stream, pizza.creditcard, pizza.credit, pizza.engineering

We have lot of tld's which may be suitable only for some names which belong to that category and not all.

So I believe those names have value because of their name themselves and not because they were taken in multiple tld's.
Domains don't have value just because they are taken in multiple extensions. It is just a good metric to consider.

For instance some branding words like Ultra, Icon, Prestige, whatever are going to be taken in a ton of extensions.

Those are all generic branding terms.

They are not valuable only because they are taken in a lot of extensions, but they are taken in a lot of extensions because they are valuable terms.

Brad
 
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Leo2k

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They are not valuable only because they are taken in a lot of extensions, but they are taken in a lot of extensions because they are valuable terms.

Brad
Of course, you are just agreeing with my point
 
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Of course, you are just agreeing with my point
Right, but you seem to have a misunderstanding about why people look for terms that are taken in a lot of extensions.

People are not just buying terms because they are taken in many extensions. They are taken in many extensions because they are good terms.

I don't think most people are investing in random or TM terms, just because they are taken in a lot of extensions.

Assuming the term is generic, then all the stuff about risk doesn't really matter.

Generic terms, taken in many extensions, generally have larger pools of potential end users. When it comes to domain investment that is a good thing.

If the point is that people should not buy domains ONLY because the term is taken in a lot of domains, then I agree...especially if it is a blatant TM infringing term.

Brad
 
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Leo2k

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Right, but you seem to have a misunderstanding about why people look for terms that are taken in a lot of extensions.

People are not just buying terms because they are taken in many extensions. They are taken in many extensions because they are good terms.

I don't think most people are investing in random or TM terms, just because they are taken in a lot of extensions.

Assuming the term is generic, then all the stuff about risk doesn't really matter.

Generic terms, taken in many extensions, generally have larger pools of potential end users. When it comes to domain investment that is a good thing.

Brad
But a generic name doesn't need to be taken in all the extensions for us to decide its demand and buy it.
As long as its available I would just buy it if its available in any popular or suitable extensions.

But if some is looking for a domain that is taken in multiple extensions as a criteria to decide its demand and buy the domain, i believe that doesn't have any logic.

What I say is
Name is good, generic, dictionary word, short - Buy it
Name is not good/ just a random one & doesn't have any potential demand or have only legal issues - Avoid it

Deciding based on just the number of extensions its taken is just showing that we are not researching the name that we are planning to buy at a huge price.
 
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Right, but you seem to have a misunderstanding about why people look for terms that are taken in a lot of extensions.

People are not just buying terms because they are taken in many extensions. They are taken in many extensions because they are good terms.

I don't think most people are investing in random or TM terms, just because they are taken in a lot of extensions.

Assuming the term is generic, then all the stuff about risk doesn't really matter.

Generic terms, taken in many extensions, generally have larger pools of potential end users. When it comes to domain investment that is a good thing.

If the point is that people should not buy domains ONLY because the term is taken in a lot of domains, then I agree...especially if it is a blatant TM infringing term.

Brad
Agree with Brad..

The main points are :

- Not all registered in many TLDs therms are risk to UDRP. Generic therms like Pizza, Restaurant can't be Trademarked. This first thread is very false to see Trademark
- More people registered a therm in many TLDs is an indication that it is a popular therm. How we can know it is more valuable therm ? For example Pizza vs Porcelain, Pizza registered in 374 tlds, while porcelain is only in 86 tlds.. So we know pizza is more popular than porcelain. That's why ETH.Chrismas sold 628$, because ETH registered in 623 TLDs.
- The more popular therm, the value will increase. So if people only registered unpopular Overhuge in .com, people must use ETH in other Tlds if want to use the EMD Therm. That's why ETH.limo is used, ETH.Christmas sold 628$, ETH.bike sold 1013$, and ETH.ski sold 2000$.

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forge

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I have a single keyword taken in 481 extensions.

(design)
 
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Leo2k

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I have a single keyword taken in 481 extensions.

(design)
So, using them for your own purpose or selling them?
If selling them, are you getting good high offers since they are all taken in multiple extensions?
 
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forge

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So, using them for your own purpose or selling them?
If selling them, are you getting good high offers since they are all taken in multiple extensions?

Holding for the long haul. Unfortunately not a very popular tld, so no offers as yet. But I don't even have it on a sales lander, so...
 
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Karluch

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Well, it's just a simple fact that if more extensions are taken (by different parties, not one), then it means that more people think about the name over the time, finding it attractive - thus more chances to sell.

To your mentioned points:

1. https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/search - check here before registering and you are pretty much safe. And what will be in the future? Well, everyone will die in the future. People worry way too much nowadays about hypothetical trademark issues, missing the opportunities.

2. There is confusion only if you are registering tld other than dot com, and we are pretty much talking about com here. Talking about other extensions - yes, possible, but they won't have that much value, compared to com anyways.

3. All ''important'' extensions will be taken already, so, no worries about this part ))
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