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Buyer Beware: THe risks of buying developed sites.

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Buyer Beware: The risks of buying developed sites.

Over the past few months there have been a great increase in the amount of developed sites being sold throughout the internet at places such as NamePros.com and Sitepoint.com. The majority of these sites are really great for people interested in a new project or to add to their portfolio. But there has also been an increase in the amount of deceptive websites for sale, meaning that they are using a tactic to make their site seem more appealing. This article will go through many types of deceptive selling and how you can prevent becoming a victim of it.


Estimating Revenue/Traffic:
Many People selling websites use this tactic to make their site more appealing and more profitable than it really is. They will take a few days Revenue or Traffic and then “Estimate” for the rest of the month. This is very dangerous because 2 days of good advertising will make a site look way better than it truly is. In the majority of these cases the Revenue or Traffic will dramatically drop after a few days, leaving you with a worthless site. A good way to avoid this type of Deceptive Selling is by only buying websites with long term data in regards to Revenue and Traffic. If you still want to buy a site with a month or less of data then make sure you look for any sharp declines that would suggest leveling off and then buy it at that rate.

Averaging:
This is a common technique for website sellers to disguise a recent or long term drop in traffic and/or revenue. By stating the overall average the site will still usually look very well, although there may be a large and recent decline in traffic and revenue. The best way to find out if this is the reason for a sale you should check the monthly revenue and traffic data to see if there is a decline. You also may want to check the website and see when it has been last updated or posted on if it is a forum, as this may be the decline.

Hidden Costs:
This is a recent problem that has been affecting many places where websites are bought and sold. The price for a certain site will seem too good to be true, the profit and traffic is amazing. The price for which it is selling is also great. The problem is that the revenue may be great but it may be greatly offset by a lot of maintenance costs such as hosting and advertising. There may also be licenses that will need to be bought after the sale, such as VB bulletin licenses.


The majority of sites being sold are legit and you should be very happy with the transaction, but you always need to keep an eye out for the above tactics being used.
Sincerely,
Falian

Contact me at [email protected] if you need help selling a site.
 
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AfternicAfternic
Some good points there - and a good reminder to everyone ;)

Especially : "Estimating Revenue/Traffic" - lol - Don't park a domain for 2 days and try to tell me How much you are making monthly :laugh:

I personally Do Not purchase Traffic / Income domains or sites any longer - But would laugh in anyones face without at least 4 months proof behind their claims ... It is in Fact a Risky part of this industry indeed ;)
 
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I have seen people quote one day's Sedo revenue and then extend that out for an asking price. Good post
 
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Thank you, feel free to post it wherever you want, just please link back to me. I enjoy writing articles and you should see a few more from me soon :D
 
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Link back to what?
Great Post should be circulated. thats why.
 
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Excellent post. You are absolutely correct.

One thing I'm getting sick and tired of is the kiddy arcade sites and myspace scripts. I think sites like sitepoint and this forum should SERIOUSLY consider revamping their "marketplace" categories. They are not doing this for obvious reaons, but a quick glance will show you what is going on. These forums should be seperated like:

- Unique developed Websites
`--- Any forums in here would be UNIQUE, never bought or sold by another human. These forums would give REAL DEVELOPERS a chance to freelance their talent. I know you ALL agree. I'm one of those freelancers, and am not impressed with seeing the same bull over and over again (just a different domain name). I'm not only a developer, I'm also a site / domain buyer.

Do you know what this does for real freelancers? it makes them lower their costs to stay competitive with the other kids in the forum. That has to change as these kids don't spend HALF the time as a developer would. They download scripts and launch, we develop, take time and sell to "good buyers" willing to take over.

- NON-Unique
`--- Forums that give WANNABE hax0r's a chance to download EVERY SCRIPT on hotscript.com and sell to unknowingly buyers. The difference is Sitepoint and NamePros should EDUCATE their memberbase based on these EXTREME site - sale purchases. You know, something like: "Listings In This Forum Have most likely been resold again and again.. easy way to launch your site". :) but that will never happen.

- Developed Sites for Sale
`--- BRAND SPANKING NEW Old Sites
`--- 1 Month Old Sites
`--- 3 Month Old Sites
`--- 6 Month Old Sites
`--- 12+ Month Old Sites

I'm fairly new here, and have lost interest VERY quickly in sitepoint due to that, and this forum is even worse not to mention digitialpoint. I think that one is the worst.

I mention this due to my own situation. No disrepect to the "buyer" who sold me their site, but I was under the impression that 969 ACTIVE MEMBERS in a forum meant a lot of discussion or at least 50 - 100 visits per day. It turns out, I bought a database of members that I must now take more time and promote. Sure I could have did some checkups, but I wanted to waste no time in letting someone else grab the domain name and site I bought. Simply put, I had no time.

Since the sale was back 1-2 months now, there hasn't been 1 member signup other than my wife who was testing everything out and decided to become a member. From a developer perspective, it sounds like I purchased a database of members, but to this day, I'm still pleased as it has good content and things for future designers to learn more about.

In all honestly, am I the only one who feels this way? Share your thoughts please.
 
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psalzmann said:
- Unique developed Websites
`--- Any forums (typo?) in here would be UNIQUE, never bought or sold by another human. These forums would give REAL DEVELOPERS a chance to freelance their talent.

Why the hell is a site worth any less if its been sold before? I have bought and sold many websites that have had several owners before. Thats like saying you shouldent buy an old house, because someone has lived in it before.

I know you ALL agree. I'm one of those freelancers, and am not impressed with seeing the same bull over and over again (just a different domain name). I'm not only a developer, I'm also a site / domain buyer.

You should be careful not to categorize people, I for one do not agree with you. I make my fair share of money and you obviously arent dynamic enough to keep on par with your competitors. I have always used to motto "buy low, sell high" - it translates into websites as long as you do your homework.

Do you know what this does for real freelancers?

Im not sure what you class as a real freelancer, isnt a freelancer just like a contractor? Im not sure what field you "freelancer" in, are you a php programmer? Do you create scripts for other people? Well, thats a totally different topic anyway.

it makes them lower their costs to stay competitive with the other kids in the forum. That has to change as these kids don't spend HALF the time as a developer would. They download scripts and launch, we develop, take time and sell to "good buyers" willing to take over.

If you cant compete with these "kids" then maybe you should change your hobby/career. I make up to $500 some days, sure a quality website might only come up once a week but you must be missing them among all the other clones. Again, you are in business, you must make yourself competitive.

You know, something like: "Listings In This Forum Have most likely been resold again and again.. easy way to launch your site". :) but that will never happen.

Yes, I can see that happening. Why should I have to trawl through 10 seperate boards just to find the one gem I was looking for? Then repeat that on 3 different webmaster forums.

I'm fairly new here, and have lost interest VERY quickly in sitepoint due to that, and this forum is even worse not to mention digitialpoint. I think that one is the worst.

If you lose interest that quickly, maybe this isnt for you. Quality domains/websites only come along every so often and I would recommend only investing in website in fields you are knowledgable about.

I mention this due to my own situation. No disrepect to the "buyer" who sold me their site, but I was under the impression that 969 ACTIVE MEMBERS in a forum meant a lot of discussion or at least 50 - 100 visits per day. It turns out, I bought a database of members that I must now take more time and promote. Sure I could have did some checkups, but I wanted to waste no time in letting someone else grab the domain name and site I bought. Simply put, I had no time.

Now we get down to the problem: You didnt do your research. Plain and simple. Evaluating a websites worth is a hard job, I would highly recommend you read this post. You dont necessarily get what you think you are paying for on the internet. Make sure you cross reference revenue (eg. directory selling links > paypal screenshots) and get a few months worth of revenue/traffic screenshots. That link gives more information on this.
 
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Flaresolutions said:
Why the hell is a site worth any less if its been sold before? I have bought and sold many websites that have had several owners before. Thats like saying you shouldent buy an old house, because someone has lived in it before.

The difference in a UNIQUE site and a NON-UNIQUE is clear. Have a look at template monster for example. You can buy a template for $40 but the UNIQUE price is $1900. Are you saying there is NO DIFFERENCE? It's the same thing with a BRAND NEW CAR. You pay $40K for a sweet ride, leave the lot and it's $30k 5 seconds later. People PAY for unique, non-unique is much less.

Flaresolutions said:
You should be careful not to categorize people, I for one do not agree with you. I make my fair share of money and you obviously arent dynamic enough to keep on par with your competitors. I have always used to motto "buy low, sell high" - it translates into websites as long as you do your homework.

Oh I see. So you are saying there is no problem with all the myspace scripts and arcade sites on these forums? It's saturated my friend.

It's as saturated as the hosting industry. Everyone and their cousin is hosting web sites, and it's at the point now where there is no point. Is that what you want to see happen at your favorite sites like NP? So saturated with PIMPS :) heheh (had to throw that in).

All I'm referring to is for the admins to categorize these "ventures for sale" becuase they are nothing but kids setting up scripts from hotscripts. Who the hell can't do that?

Flaresolutions said:
Im not sure what you class as a real freelancer, isnt a freelancer just like a contractor? Im not sure what field you "freelancer" in, are you a php programmer? Do you create scripts for other people? Well, thats a totally different topic anyway.

Yes, I've been freelancing for quite some time earning my living. I also enjoy coming to see what different sites had to offer, as I'm also interested in buying / selling sites. I just had to share my views about what I see happening, and hopefully someone can take these comments into consideration. You might not see a problem since you're most likely making your money doing the things I'm ranting about. That's obivous, but it's not against the law :).

Flaresolutions said:
If you cant compete with these "kids" then maybe you should change your hobby/career. I make up to $500 some days, sure a quality website might only come up once a week but you must be missing them among all the other clones. Again, you are in business, you must make yourself competitive.

Compete? where did that come from. Who's trying to compete here? I'm merely stressing that this forum among others NEED A BIG change. You see, I'm finished "competeing" with my competitors, as they do not offer half of what my sofware or solution offers. This rant is about something I see hapenning, and my advice can be taken, or not. :)

Flaresolutions said:
If you lose interest that quickly, maybe this isnt for you.

I come here to visit quality sellers selling their domain names. Not see a forum saturated with kids trying to sell WHORE training software or pimp scripts. LOL I guess I'll have to get use to it, as I do enjoy the Chat Room, and viewing what unique ideas people come up with for domain names. In fact, can you point me to a place on this forum to see the demographics of the age group that visits this site? I would LOVE to know, but I think I already do.

Flaresolutions said:
I would recommend only investing in website in fields you are knowledgable about.

I agree to an extent. When you mention "invest" I hear a lot of money, so maybe it's best you leave the "investing" part out. This site/field/venture at NP's is more or less a classifieds ads portal more than anything :)

Flaresolutions said:
Now we get down to the problem: You didnt do your research. Plain and simple. Evaluating a websites worth is a hard job, I would highly recommend you read this post. You dont necessarily get what you think you are paying for on the internet. Make sure you cross reference revenue (eg. directory selling links > paypal screenshots) and get a few months worth of revenue/traffic screenshots. That link gives more information on this.

Actually, evaluating websites is not a hard job. You should know that. Also, thanks for the link. I'll be sure to check it out :)

I could have rephrased my original post better so it seems. What I didn't mention was I was satisifed with my purchase of the database of members, but the way the sale was made basically looked as if it was a good to go sale with traffic. Of course I ASSUMED that 900+ members would result in SOME TRAFFIC, wouldn't you? .. so yes, that was my fault, I purchased a $2000 web database with no active traffic. In fact, my software (I personally built) was good enough for the seller of the domain that I bought, so in all reality, I didn't pay a thing for the "sale" in question. It was a trade I guess you can say.

Anyways, lighten up. You know what I'm talking about. You see it, we all see it. Something in the categories just needs to be refined. Thats all. :)

Let's try this again, am I the only one who feels this way?
 
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When i said link back to me i meant keep my email at the bottom of the letter. Feel free to re-copy wherever you want. Hope it helps people who are interested in buying sites.
 
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i fell for the traffic trick on an early purchase. it was only $50, but i learned quickly

thanks for the article
 
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no problem !
 
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Nice artical. Thanks
 
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Thanks for the post! I used to sell developed sites, this article has been very interesting for me :)
 
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happy it helps :D
 
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