BrandBucket Experience

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I am new to BrandBucket. Before getting my hands on this

I wish to experience about brandbucket from my fellow members


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[Domainzy]

So to clarify, all domains with 2 root words ie 90-95% of MediaPlow, have more searchable tags than made up brandable domains?

According to my portfolio at BB yes two-word domains (not all of mine, but most) have more keywords than my MUB/suffix domains.

Cheers!

 

[Chris Hydrick]

According to my portfolio at BB yes two-word domains (not all of mine, but most) have more keywords than my MUB/suffix domains.

Cheers!

Thanks for clarifying!

After briefly comparing your 4L portfolio to your keyword portfolio, I noticed your keyword domains contain more tags than your 4L domains. Do you think this could attribute to BrandBuckets low amount of 4L domain sales?

I think we can all agree 4L domains are basically liquid, regardless of marketplace. Don't brandable 4L domain owners agree to pay bb a listing fee to exclusively list with bb in exchange for these domains to be seen just as much if not more than domains of lesser liquidity?

For those who are confused by MUB, I believe it means Made-up-Brandable...

 

[hookbox]

I just looked at all my domains with the most keywords:

#1) - 41 keywords
#2) - 35 keywords
#3) - 31 keywords

These 3 domains are TWO WORDS. Notice that almost all the domains you posted from MediaPlow are two words...

Conclusion: Brandable domains with 2 root words usually have more keywords. MUB/suffix domains only have one root word so less keywords.

Cheers!

Most of your two word domains have 10-15 keywords. I didn't see any that had 41. Your portfolio isn't that large so it was easy to go through. Having two words in the domain then your keywords should definitely go up but it's not always the case. The keywords aren't even the same when one of the words is the same in two different domains. I used these two domains from your portfolio as an example.

KeepCart has the keywords cart, e-commerce, keep, Online Marketing, sales, shopper, shopping cart, technology, wish lists

StackCart has the keywords, buying, cart, commerce, internet, manufacturing, online, organized, retail, shipping, stack, versatile

As you can see even with the word Cart in both domains the keywords related to the word Cart are totally different which means they are manually inputed and that is why some portfolio holders have more keywords and others don't. Maybe the BB team chooses names that they think have a better chance of selling and manually input more keywords to give a good domain a better chance at selling. I don't know if that's the case but it seems this way. Why waste time manually inputing 30 or 40 keywords on names that they think have no chance of selling.

Another example is one in someone else's portfolio Cartzy. Cart is the only word in this domain but the keywords are Boutiques, bright, carts, commerce, fun, internet, malls, memorable, online, playful, purchases, retailers, sales, shopping, shops, stores, transactions. This domain only has one keyword not two keywords but has more and different keywords then the other Cart domains.

It's obvious that the keywords are manually inputed by someone on the BrandBucket team so it's safe to say that some portfolio holders can have 40 keywords on a similar domain while someone else only has 10.

I can sit here all day and analyze domains but the bottom line is some sellers are able to have many more keywords then others.

 

[Domainzy]

Thanks for clarifying!

After briefly comparing your 4L portfolio to your keyword portfolio, I noticed your keyword domains contain more tags than your 4L domains. Do you think this could attribute to BrandBuckets low amount of 4L domain sales?

I think we can all agree 4L domains are basically liquid, regardless of marketplace. Don't brandable 4L domain owners agree to pay bb a listing fee to exclusively list with bb in exchange for these domains to be seen just as much if not more than domains of lesser liquidity?

For those who are confused by MUB, I believe it means Made-up-Brandable...

4L domains are unique because they hardly ever contain WORDS within the 4 letters. And 4L that contains a 4 letter word are worth a million, if not hundreds of thousands.

So what is left over is MUB (make up brandables)... like DIUY, UZRS, COZU, OXFA, ONQO, etc.. Since these domains do not actually have a root word, they are harder to match keywords to.

As far as 4L's being 'liquid'... this is very true and the main reason I heavily invest in 4L's. Which means if I decide domaining is not my thing (like my friend @Shane Bellone) then I can liquidate(wholesale) my 4L's and not loose a dime... However, in the mean time... I enjoy the logo's and the sales(retail) that BB brings.

With my BB rejects I tried GD, Flippa, NameJet, SEDO, AfterNic, etc..... But Im a numbers guy.. and BB brings me BIGGER NUMBER$.

Cheers!

 

[Brandworthy]

I was hoping the backend system had a way to count tags per domain, then you could group this by seller, then figure out average amount of tags per seller.

Their API returns the keywords in a nice serialized group. You can request all names or names from a particular seller. Last time I looked at API was a while back, but hopefully this is all still valid.

If I get around to it, I'll have a buddy write a script to scrape BB for tags and run a full audit, if you're asking for help.

As per above - no need to scrape them for this.

I have checked a few of my names randomly and the result is pretty sad

I can imagine invented names will have less tags than keyword names. You're always playing catch up with invented names IMO, and my portfolio is very heavily skewed in the invented direction. But I'm not unhappy with the return I get from BB, so rather than complain I'm trying to diversify my portfolio a little bit more into keyword names. Time will tell, but my sales have been good in the past 4-5 weeks.

 

[Chris Hydrick]

Their API returns the keywords in a nice serialized group. You can request all names or names from a particular seller. Last time I looked at API was a while back, but hopefully this is all still valid.

Thanks for the heads up.

4L domains are unique because they hardly ever contain WORDS within the 4 letters. And 4L that contains a 4 letter word are worth a million, if not hundreds of thousands.

4L domains are unique because they are in short supply, hence supply and demand assigns a greater value of liquidity. 4Ls make for great acronyms, and or short domains that can sound like keywords, ie Hulu = Hello

Which means if I decide domaining is not my thing (like my friend @Shane Bellone) then I can liquidate(wholesale) my 4L's and not loose a dime... However, in the mean time... I enjoy the logo's and the sales(retail) that BB brings.

Thanks for clarifying. I don't think it's fair for you to compare @Shane Bellone liquid 4L's to that of a BrandBucket 4Ls. If he listed 100 4Ls with BrandBucket, he'd be out $1,000 in listing fee's. To those who aren't caught up in the BB hype aka @Shane Bellone, they would never pay $1,000 to exclusively list their 4Ls unless this company is showing great 4L returns.

He wouldn't be able to broker these domains himself on DNPages and/or simultaneously list his domains with any of the marketplaces you mentioned. Yet, there are more than one high ranking niche marketplaces who will accept these domains some with exclusivity, most without, for less commission and/or listing fee's. But, hey I'm a realist, and I believe MORE marketplaces / views = more SALES.

Some endusers (not all endusers are rich) were insulted when I'd show them the high prices of my bb hand reg domains, and have stated multiple times they would NEVER buy a 5L+ MUB domain for that price. They were usually shocked to learn 5L+ MUB hand reg domains sell for low to mid X,XXX on bb. This high priced competition helped me land several bb rejected sales in high XXX - low X,XXX range.

The debate now becomes quality of sale vs quantity of sales. There is no doubt BB brings in quality sales (if you're not a reseller) and decide to pay to play. My issue is the system seems to require a minimum amount of domains / listing fee investment to make sales in quantity via bb. The issue is friends and family of the band get the front row seatw, while those who pay for listing fee's, IMO, get seated in the nose bleed section. If they weren't too busy seating friends and family in the front row, I believe they'd have time to renovate the squeaky nose bleed seats. ie poor logo's and tags. I'd be happy to renovate my domains, if bb would allow.

 

[Recons.Com]

I just looked at all my domains with the most keywords:

#1) - 41 keywords
#2) - 35 keywords
#3) - 31 keywords

These 3 domains are TWO WORDS. Notice that almost all the domains you posted from MediaPlow are two words...

Conclusion: Brandable domains with 2 root words usually have more keywords. MUB/suffix domains only have one root word so less keywords.

Cheers!

Thanks.

Maybe @Dnbolt has an automated way to count tags per name for average and specific user(s)?

Regarding 2 word domains having more keywords, I wonder why and if it is logical at all. Yes, keyword might seem to add more uses, but truly it should be limiting.

For example, shopzo (don't know even if it is listed there, just an example) can be applied to any shop, e-commerce etc., while candyshop has more limited application. So, basically, in real speech adding another word makes the core word more limited, not extends it.

 

[disaac81]

Thanks.

Maybe @Dnbolt has an automated way to count tags per name for average and specific user(s)?

Regarding 2 word domains having more keywords, I wonder why and if it is logical at all. Yes, keyword might seem to add more uses, but truly it should be limiting.

For example, shopzo (don't know even if it is listed there, just an example) can be applied to any shop, e-commerce etc., while candyshop has more limited application. So, basically, in real speech adding another word makes the core word more limited, not extends it.

Very good points.

The more descriptive the business name, the less applications it can plausibly be used for.

 

[Justin Matmor]

I have several domains (dated prior to 20 May) waiting in the BB cue which have yet to be approved/rejected.

I have noticed NamePros members listing their approved domains here today which were hand regged on the 22 May.

How do they jump the cue to have their submitted domains approved? Or are they submitting non registered domains to BB and only register their domains once approved?

 

[Brandworthy]

How do they jump the cue to have their submitted domains approved?

Names are not reviewed in strict order. I have some pending names in my queue which were submitted before now accepted names. It's usually within 2-3 days tolerance, but I expect some names need more due diligence than others.

 

[Chris Hydrick]

I have several domains (dated prior to 20 May) waiting in the BB cue which have yet to be approved/rejected.

I have noticed NamePros members listing their approved domains here today which were hand regged on the 22 May.

How do they jump the cue to have their submitted domains approved? Or are they submitting non registered domains to BB and only register their domains once approved?

I have a few theories on this (all assumptions based on a 5/6 person reviewing system):

1. Domains are categorized: Submitted before | Never Submitted. Submitted and rejected domains will be reviewed, and rejected the quickest. Any previously submitted domain with brandability may take longer to review since brandables are subjective, and they may have missed something..
2. Good domains are easier to spot than bad domains. Sometimes, I'd notice a good domain submitted a few days later, would be approved before any questionable domains submitted earlier. When you know, you know.
3. Sometimes a good domain takes longer to review when there is a question on price.
4. I like to think of it like a boxing match. If it's unanimous decision by the judges, there is less debate, and quicker decisions.

Again, those are all assumptions based on my experience with BB. I have no idea how elaborate their 5/6 person voting system is. I have noticed a marginal level of error, but as expected with all marketplaces, this is subjective to the marketplaces view of a brandable domain. Given it's a multiperson review system, I wonder if each reviewer has the same vote, or if certain keyword specialists such as MK, receive a different level of vote for their respective niches.

I don't know who's considered this before, but, I think there is a 5 day reviewing detail that needs to be addressed. I say 5 days, because that is the maximum allowable time for a domain to be grace deleted with GoDaddy, and refunded. On one hand, there is a major benefit to having a for sale option immediately after domain purchase. Though, there are some sellers who only sell brandable domains via BB, and would rather grace delete their rejected domain than list it elsewhere. I'm not sure if GD is financially affected by this type of grace delete.

 

[Justin Matmor]

I have a few theories on this (all assumptions based on a 5/6 person reviewing system):

1. Domains are categorized: Submitted before | Never Submitted. Submitted and rejected domains will be reviewed, and rejected the quickest. Any previously submitted domain with brandability may take longer to review since brandables are subjective, and they may have missed something..
2. Good domains are easier to spot than bad domains. Sometimes, I'd notice a good domain submitted a few days later, would be approved before any questionable domains submitted earlier. When you know, you know.
3. Sometimes a good domain takes longer to review when there is a question on price.
4. I like to think of it like a boxing match. If it's unanimous decision by the judges, there is less debate, and quicker decisions.

Again, those are all assumptions based on my experience with BB. I have no idea how elaborate their 5/6 person voting system is. I have noticed a marginal level of error, but as expected with all marketplaces, this is subjective to the marketplaces view of a brandable domain. Given it's a multiperson review system, I wonder if each reviewer has the same vote, or if certain keyword specialists such as MK, receive a different level of vote for their respective niches.

I don't know who's considered this before, but, I think there is a 5 day reviewing detail that needs to be addressed. I say 5 days, because that is the maximum allowable time for a domain to be grace deleted with GoDaddy, and refunded. On one hand, there is a major benefit to having a for sale option immediately after domain purchase. Though, there are some sellers who only sell brandable domains via BB, and would rather grace delete their rejected domain than list it elsewhere. I'm not sure if GD is financially affected by this type of grace delete.

Thanks for that detailed reply.

So you don't think it is possible to submit unregistered domains to BB for consideration?

 

[gblasting]

Thanks @hookbox for bringing the issue of keywords to the fore.

I own R/I/G/H/T/\S\Q\U\A\D dot com and these are the keywords tagged with it:
activist, education, games, help, IT, protection, right,
rights, service, superhero, teams.

I would expect this name to have keywords like: recruitment, recruit, project and similar keywords. This name has more to do with 'recruiting' the 'right' person/people for a role/'project' than 'activist.' If someone wants to start a recruitment service that helps startups hire their first team, they would have difficulty finding this name.

 

[JimJammy]

I own R/I/G/H/T/\S\Q\U\A\D dot com and these are the keywords tagged with it:
activist, education, games, help, IT, protection, right,
rights, service, superhero, teams.

This is one of the few occasions I would email their support and ask for this to be reviewed. I'd include a list of 'my suggested keywords' too. Good luck!

[email protected]

 

[Domainzy]

Thanks @hookbox for bringing the issue of keywords to the fore.

I own R/I/G/H/T/\S\Q\U\A\D dot com and these are the keywords tagged with it:
activist, education, games, help, IT, protection, right,
rights, service, superhero, teams.

I would expect this name to have keywords like: recruitment, recruit, project and similar keywords. This name has more to do with 'recruiting' the 'right' person/people for a role/'project' than 'activist.' If someone wants to start a recruitment service that helps startups hire their first team, they would have difficulty finding this name.

I have noticed that if I include the keywords in my 'description' (a hint for our writes for what this names means to you) I usually get those keywords.

Example: Im submitting DeskLab to BB today.

I could create a simple description: A professional name with a modern vibe.

But I don't expect BB to read my mind: A professional name with a modern vibe. Help/Work Space/Productive/Office/Support/Solutions/Tools/Laboratory/Jobs/Tech/IT/Workflow/Station

There is no guarantee that you will get exactly what you want, but it does help!

Cheers!

 

[JimJammy]

I have noticed that if I include the keywords in my 'description' (a hint for our writes for what this names means to you) I usually get those keywords.

Example: Im submitting DeskLab to BB today.

I could create a simple description: A professional name with a modern vibe.

But I don't expect BB to read my mind: A professional name with a modern vibe. Help/Work Space/Productive/Office/Support/Solutions/Tools/Laboratory/Jobs/Tech/IT/Workflow/Station

There is no guarantee that you will get exactly what you want, but it does help!

Cheers!

Genius! I'm so stealing that idea! :P

 

[linker]

Can someone explain to me how the logo design piece works? I had a name accepted but I do not have a logo, I allotted a certain $ amount for the Logo, do I just have to wait for someone to choose to make a logo for the domain? Also, it still has my domain listed under the 'Pending' tab even though it was accepted, is that because it does not have a logo yet?

Thanks!

 

[JimJammy]

Can someone explain to me how the logo design piece works? I had a name accepted but I do not have a logo, I allotted a certain $ amount for the Logo, do I just have to wait for someone to choose to make a logo for the domain? Also, it still has my domain listed under the 'Pending' tab even though it was accepted, is that because it does not have a logo yet?

Thanks!

Congratulations on getting your first name accepted!

There is a process once accepted:
Your domain will move into the "Pending BrandBucket Review" stage. They will write a description for your domain and it moves onto the next stage "Pending Logo Design". On completion of that stage, it moves to "Queued for Publishing", then it goes live.

 

[Abdullah Abdullah]

Can someone explain to me how the logo design piece works? I had a name accepted but I do not have a logo, I allotted a certain $ amount for the Logo, do I just have to wait for someone to choose to make a logo for the domain? Also, it still has my domain listed under the 'Pending' tab even though it was accepted, is that because it does not have a logo yet?

Thanks!

As long as you paid the listing fee and you will wait until logo is ready.

 

[Abdullah Abdullah]

I have several domains (dated prior to 20 May) waiting in the BB cue which have yet to be approved/rejected.

I have noticed NamePros members listing their approved domains here today which were hand regged on the 22 May.

How do they jump the cue to have their submitted domains approved? Or are they submitting non registered domains to BB and only register their domains once approved?

I submitted domains on the 19 and 21 and had 3 I submitted on 21 already reviewed. So I am not sure the exact process but I think some names might be instantly acceptable than others.

 

[Justin Matmor]

I submitted domains on the 19 and 21 and had 3 I submitted on 21 already reviewed. So I am not sure the exact process but I think some names might be instantly acceptable than others.

I reckon the longer it takes to approve a name the better the chance of it being accepted. Usually my rejects are rejected within 4-5 days whereas my approvals can take up to 7+ days. There are always exceptions ofcourse.

 

[Nerevar]

I have observed a great variety in pattens over the last year. For example, names that were to be priced lower were accepted immidiately, and names to be priced higher were accepted with a delay, as if someone has to approve the bigger price.

 

[Simon Taylor]

Do you think the negativity around at the moment is greatly effecting the reseller pricing on Bb domains? Prices seem half of what they have been going for.

 

[London555]

Use logic. Why would they list the longer more confusing Commoca when the shorter not confusing Comoca is available for only $2,000? So they would list Commoca for $1,500 or less hoping that some fool would buy the shorter version to only save 500 bucks. Idiotic.

Mr Mann owns BangFit.com and wants ( I think) $10,000. We own BangFitt.com Obviously his goes first for approx. the same price so I'd say your thinking is correct.

 

[Justin Matmor]

What doesn't help is when sellers list their approved domains here as soon as they get accepted. They never had any intention to list them on BB. Basically they hand reg for $10 and hope to sell for $20.

Wonder how many rejections they get for any approval and whether this is a viable business model.