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Be careful at NameJet pre-release auctions

Located in Warnings and Alerts started by tonecas, Jan 18, 2010.

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  1. tonecas

    tonecas Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Check the domain whois and history to see if it is a "legit" pre-release (expired) domain or a domain being sold through NameJet (which supposedly doesn't accept clients domains for sale).

    In the last days and the next days to come, there are bunch of domains that are being sold by the same owner that is puting fake bids at the minimum price ($69) and then removing them at the last minute. There is tipically 3 or 5 bidders with the maximum bid at $69 and the domains are crap. So, if you see them and wonder why they have some backorders then backoff.

    This an advice that should be followed everytime but in this case the seller is so dubious, with so many changes in the whois of his domains, and with this fake bids scam so clear that one has to wonder how NameJet is permiting such an activity.

    Money talks...

    regards,
    tonecas
     
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  2. garptrader

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    Yes I have seen this sort of activity before where the initial bidder backs out at the last minute or doesn't put any subsequent bid on a domain. IMO if you backorder a domain you should be willing to bid beyond the minimum to obtain it (without getting in a bidding war of course). But I suppose this might partially explain all the horrible domains at Namejet & Snapnames with backorders.
     
  3. Ms Domainer

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    Before bidding on an aftermarket domain, one should conduct research on stats.

    One should never bid a lot of money on crap domains, even ones with high rankings and backlinks, which can disappear with a P-O-O-F.

    The domain name should be able stand on its own merits (which is now my golden rule with established gTLDs, where premium names are as rare as hens' teeth).

    Don't be a lemming; just because your neighbor or colleague bids on something doesn't mean it's good or will be profitable.

    I, too, see a lot of crappy names on all three major auction sites. I suspect that most of them end up being deleted by the registries and become available for hand reg.

    Even good ones fall through the cracks. Around Christmas time, I picked up a generic one-word .com that was released on Christmas, and I picked it up on the 29th. It's not a premium name, but it's a word that suggests a clear (and potentially) profitable direction. But I would have never placed a $69.00 bid on it. At $7.19 per year, it was worth the risk, but not at $69.00.

    But I'd be willing to bet that had someone placed a bid, other bidders would have jumped in, and I believe that this would have gone into to the low to mid $xxx.

    ;)

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  4. tonecas

    tonecas Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    ok, this is getting so "in your face" that i'm going to provide a kind of a "community service" to the less informed or new to the domain market.

    the domains published here are all from the same owners. they are knowned from various names: LCOB, Nif ty Lemo de, Kirsten Lee, First In Performance, Volcano Internet Project, Finest Lemonade, LCH - CBA, Niphuad Molend, Three Amigos Online, Steph Berks, IP Admin, DNAV ASSOCS, DNA INC, F Porter, KZ Holding 1, S H Berkowitz, Super Names, LLLL Supersale, Mode L, GetYourOwn.TV, Rusty Nailor, Fnn Lemornde, KZNF, and the list goes on.

    The phone numbers, emails and addresses change also, typically each 3 months, but less in the last year, and if one would believe them then they could be traced to US, Canada, Turkey, Switzerland, and other countries.

    as they would not want to pay the whois privacy, and ence this false whois info, they made this little mistake and now try to cover their actions by putting privacy whois before the domains appear on NameJet so that no one connects the dots.

    95% of these domains are crap but are permited to be sold by NameJet and typically have 3 to 5 bidders that will vanished when the auction begins, leaving you with the baby in your hands to care.

    so, if you see domains in these conditions, bid at your own risk.

    for today we have at least these ones:

    adultfriendf*cker.com
    Byti.com (as it can be consider a CVCV.com, which is one of the hot segments, you can be safe in this one)
    agsv.com
    anaturalalternative.com
    dallaslesbians.com
    ddax.com
    kfbn.com
    mainz.info
    mobilesmiles.com
    phwt.com
    selma.info
    tonijames.com
    tribalfood.com
    wabh.com
    wbaw.com
    wmbo.com
    wtiw.com

    this ones are waiting for more bidders to come and are on some of the hot market segments so you can get away with them (CVCV.com, premium LLLL.com):

    tecd.com
    hodt.com
    lilh.com
    pdfe.com
    mmho.com
    dymi.com


    regards,
    tonecas
     
  5. tonecas

    tonecas Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    for today we have at least these ones:

    Wyna.com
    thebuzzbox.com
    sexpartnersearch.com
    oerlemans.com
    nbasuperstars.com
    luscious.tv

    regards,
    tonecas
     
  6. tonecas

    tonecas Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    more today:

    castingfoundry.com
    chineseherbalism.com
    latahcounty.com
    offshorejournal.com
    venetianartglass.com

    regards,
    tonecas
     
  7. WORDSWORTH

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    From what I understand, Fabulous.com customers can send their expiring domains to NJ and receive a % of the auction price if they sell. Unscrupulous owners could theoretically place fake backorders and/or shill bids at auction via duplicate/friend accounts to draw extra attention to their domains and pump up the price.
     
    Last edited: Feb 24, 2010
  8. tonecas

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    i think you are right on the second part wordsworth :)

    they could send through Fabulous but the domains are also registered with Enom which doesn't have that option for what i know.

    in any case, the situation is so blatant that it is very obvious the scheme that's is taking place.

    regards,
    tonecas

    ---------- Post added at 11:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:28 PM ----------

    incredible how this is taking place... how far can you go to get a few bucks?...

    now many domains have 2 bids. it's a little twist to the game.

    here is the list for today. one can almost blindly spot them. the majority of domains that are not expired and are being listed nowdays at namejet come from the same source...

    arizonarental.net
    aboutwebcams.com
    bellmancart.com
    caboluxuryrental.com
    cottontwine.com
    cueguide.com
    dallasrental.net
    denverrental.net
    discountadventuretravel.com
    gaypridestickers.com
    indianarental.net
    islanda.net
    klamath-falls.com
    librosynovelas.com
    macbank.com
    machinetoolsupply.com
    missourirental.net
    newmexicoapartments.net
    oklahomaapartments.net
    oklahomarental.net
    parishiltonsunglasses.com
    querule.com
    tamparental.net
    virginiarentals.net
    washingtonrental.net


    regards,
    tonecas
     
  9. mrjohn

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    Frankly buying dropped domains is a hell of a lot easier.
     
  10. Tenk

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    yep fell trap to this

    have about 9 worth less domains which costed me around 630 usd

    have learned form my mistakes
     
  11. tonecas

    tonecas Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    if you don't mind me saying Tenk, i think you should argue with NameJet about this.

    In theory one should only put a backorder on a domain if intends to buy it, but in practice many people don't do that and for various reasons: to get access to the final sell price; when there is interest by other bidders and one has not research the domain but can bid on it afterwards; etc.

    The question here is not the (legal) reason for puting or not a bid. It is the blatant scam that is being permitted by NameJet.

    NameJet lets these scammers put their crapy domains for sale, which not only lowers the quality of the domains on auction and goes aggainst the mambo jambo from NameJet only listing premium domains from clients, but most of all permits fake bids, which is a clear breach of the the marketplace rules.


    For today we have:

    aadtv.com
    adultvibrations.com
    aiug.com
    akcpug.com
    alabamasingles.net
    allamateurpost.com
    americanlibertyuniversity.com
    amherstny.net
    birchbay.org
    broadvoce.com
    dunsmuir.tv


    regards,
    Tonecas
     
  12. HeyNow

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    "These ones" is awful grammar. It's a common mistake, but it's just awful grammar. The correct statement would be: "For today we have these:"
     
  13. tonecas

    tonecas Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    :hehe:

    thank you for your note HeyNow.

    regards,
    tonecas
     
  14. tonecas

    tonecas Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    for today we have at least these:

    autorental.info
    bodybuildingsups.com
    cedarcounty.com
    homeenergysavers.net
    otsv.com
    ubmt.com
    vapx.com

    regards,
    tonecas
     
  15. tonecas

    tonecas Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    for today:

    cancertips.net
    canal43.tv
    cashloanpros.com
    cashregistersupply.com
    charitablegifts.net
    cdcy.com
    cauu.com
    ctutorial.com
    graysharborcounty.org
    igrw.com
    independentinvestmentresearch.com
    noon3.org
    noon10.org
    silverdealers.biz
    thermoplasticelastomer.com
    tnya.com
    tucsontrips.com
    visitwaldport.com
    wellnessfacilities.com
    yeson7.org
    yesonc.org

    regards,
    tonecas
     
  16. Mokum

    Mokum Established Member ★★★★★★★★★★

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    I agree that something is going on, but for example cedarcountry.com & macbank.com are worth the 60 dollar....
    Both are (looking at the whois) not pending delete names
    Mokum
     
  17. Ultra

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    domains that aren't pending delete (aren't expired) are being listed at namejet with fake bids?
     
  18. tonecas

    tonecas Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    yes, some have value. that's why i said that about 95% of the domains are crap...

    it's "cedarcounty.com" that was listed and "macbank.com" only expires on Mar10.

    in any case that is not the issue. even if 100% of the domains were valued it is nonethless a breach of market rules. if NameJet want's to help a few buddies sell their portfolios then at least list them with no bids in the first page for a few days, like i've seen it done before.

    letting people make fake bids to simulate interest is very lame.

    regards,
    tonecas

    ---------- Post added at 11:36 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:34 AM ----------

    yes Ultra, that's exactly what's going on.
     
  19. tonecas

    tonecas Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    for today we have:

    ballgames.tv
    AmerikkKa.com
    babyadoption.tv
    businesslaw.info
    dannyrelief.com
    dcmortgage.net
    dctimes.net
    diningandlodging.com
    dragonboats.net
    drycleaning.tv
    dwatv.com
    editor-publisher.com
    eldercare.info
    eroticland.net
    erotikdreams.com
    escottsdale.net
    estateliquidations.biz
    facilities4rent.com
    facilities4sale.com
    facilitiesforsale.com
    federalreserve.info
    huntingdonshire.tv
    investwithconfidence.com
    multicolorlight.com (seems to have expired. didn't find any byers previously...)
    perception.info
    politika.info
    saturnaisland.org
    siouxcityweekly.com
    sourcing.info
    visualarts.info
    worldhunger.tv
    www411.org


    it's a heck of a dump and at $69 a piece, minus NameJet comission, it is still a good return on a (stupid) buying spree.


    by the way, how is this domain listed? it is free to reg...

    freelivemusic.tv

    the domains at NameJet get funnier every day..

    regards,
    tonecas
     
  20. tonecas

    tonecas Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    a few more today:

    hbdd.com
    demarcos.com
    eastbaychannel.com
    haew.com
    hardcore-video.com
    hoaw.com
    hollywoodstarstour.com

    regards,
    tonecas
     
  21. tonecas

    tonecas Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    just doing some quick scans in the last two days and it seems the scam has stopped.

    it appears that some decency still exists...

    regards,
    tonecas
     
  22. tonecas

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    it seems i spoken too soon... there is no shame whatsoever and until this get to the front pages the scam will go on.

    for today only this, at least on a quick check:

    wagering.info

    but there more to come.

    regards,
    tonecas
     
  23. tonecas

    tonecas Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    this is getting better and better!

    these domains were on pre-release, expired, during 3 days, all from the same owner:

    cleanenergies.net
    phonesearching.com
    greenenergies.net
    CleanerPower.net

    today we have:
    helpfirst.com

    that was on pre-release yesterday and has this interesting thing:

    registry info:
    Creation Date: 26-jan-2000
    Expiration Date: 26-jan-2011

    registrar info:
    Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
    Renewal or Deletion, Pending Domain [email protected]
    Namesecure Inc.
    13861 Sunrise Valley Drive
    Herndon, VA 20171
    US
    703-668-4600
    Record expires on 03-Jul-2009.

    finally, we seem to have a new scam, ups, new method of listing domains on NameJet.
    If you bid on these now, let me know after if you suddenly got your bid moved to the first place:

    careerd.com
    3689.net
    chajei.com
    catalogodecarros.com
    manuniversity.com
    nitrostat.com
    pesent.com
    zonagamer.net

    thank you.

    regards,
    tonecas
     
  24. tonecas

    tonecas Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    this is getting disgusting...

    if you see domains from Fabulous, expired, with DNS pointing to Above or Sedo and with 3 backorders then be careful. Those bids might disappear :ghost:

    the domains all come from the same owner so i would be interested to know if he is on this scam boat...

    jehov.com (3)
    eiropasapavi.com (3)
    NetcomPeru.com (3)
    qRoxy.info (3)
    telefonointernet.net (3)
    VallesDemaria.com (3)
    wigy.org (3)
    yroxy.info (3)

    very, very sad... :td:

    regards,
    tonecas

    PS: by the way, helpfirst.com is still on pending release. the deadline for backordering keeps moving every day.
     
  25. play

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    Happened to me

    Bids dissapered last few minutes, now I'm the one that HAS to buy it.

    How do they do it?

    Name expired last month, difficult to now if bids will be retracted.

    How many bids is OK to participate?

    If I found this post hours earlier would not have acted.

    Thanks for sharing experiences.
     

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