Be careful at NameJet pre-release auctions

[tonecas]

Check the domain whois and history to see if it is a "legit" pre-release (expired) domain or a domain being sold through NameJet (which supposedly doesn't accept clients domains for sale).

In the last days and the next days to come, there are bunch of domains that are being sold by the same owner that is puting fake bids at the minimum price ($69) and then removing them at the last minute. There is tipically 3 or 5 bidders with the maximum bid at $69 and the domains are crap. So, if you see them and wonder why they have some backorders then backoff.

This an advice that should be followed everytime but in this case the seller is so dubious, with so many changes in the whois of his domains, and with this fake bids scam so clear that one has to wonder how NameJet is permiting such an activity.

Money talks...

regards,
tonecas

 

[Ms Domainer]

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Before bidding on an aftermarket domain, one should conduct research on stats.

One should never bid a lot of money on crap domains, even ones with high rankings and backlinks, which can disappear with a P-O-O-F.

The domain name should be able stand on its own merits (which is now my golden rule with established gTLDs, where premium names are as rare as hens' teeth).

Don't be a lemming; just because your neighbor or colleague bids on something doesn't mean it's good or will be profitable.

I, too, see a lot of crappy names on all three major auction sites. I suspect that most of them end up being deleted by the registries and become available for hand reg.

Even good ones fall through the cracks. Around Christmas time, I picked up a generic one-word .com that was released on Christmas, and I picked it up on the 29th. It's not a premium name, but it's a word that suggests a clear (and potentially) profitable direction. But I would have never placed a $69.00 bid on it. At $7.19 per year, it was worth the risk, but not at $69.00.

But I'd be willing to bet that had someone placed a bid, other bidders would have jumped in, and I believe that this would have gone into to the low to mid $xxx.



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[tonecas]

maximum, I understand what you are saying but you are missing the point here. the bidding in a domain to see the end price is not the issue. the issue is the scam:

1) NameJet has been warned about it and did absolute nothing. so, i think it's relevant to know that they are permitting and even participating in this, don't you?

2) if you don't bid on these auction many will, time after time. and people that bid are not the first party to breach marketplace rules...

3) who sells this way is getting money in an unfair way. if you play by the rules you are in fact loosing to them as they will have an extra cash to compete with you.

4) saying that this is all a scam and that there is no point even in discussing this it is not something that I can accept. if everyone looks to the other side soon you will be making your living in another business.

5) there are domains that have value and go to the drop houses. registrars and drop houses even miss some big names registered with them, because this market is still very inefficient. and by saying nothing and doing nothing we are all increasing there pockets so that they can bet bigger on warehousing and unfair practices.


regards,
tonecas

 

[tonecas]

dnnews.com
hotelpalmsprings.com
ncho.com
eosf.com
direct-freight.com
dildoslaves.com
erotichypnotism.com
hgpv.com
hnbv.com
lesbian-slut.com
ncny.com
nmdk.com
shitwhores.com
sexymaturepussy.com
thesexmuseum.com
transfucker.com
xxtorrents.com

regards,
tonecas

 

[tonecas]

putting fake bids on domains to simulate interest and them remove them before the auction so that the first bidder after the fakes gets the domain - at least a nice $69 on crappy domains.

pumping prices up with fake accounts and then not paying for them, and months later list them for auction again to see if they can scam someone.

regards,
tonecas

 

[Sperry8]

Potential new scams at NameJet?

the "Reactivation Period" is a new development specically to Enom. Usually that means that the domains are really expired - but does not mean that the owner doesn't renew the domain before the auction.

the whois changes on the beginning of the auction as the Registrar "confirms" the domain extension for another year, so you will see the expiration date going to 2012.

one of the scams described on this thread is to put a domain that it is not expired (or it is expired but did not went through the expiration cicle before being put to a pre-release auction) place some fake bids on them to get attention to the domains and then removing the bids in the last minute(s) of the pre-auction deadline or not paying for the domain auction and leave the domain to the next high bidder on the line.

the big source of scammers seems to come from Fabulous and Enom, Enom that has a long track record of not doing anything against domain abuse by owners in the most various forms. so you should be wary of domains coming from them and check the current WHOIS and history.

regards,
tonecas

Thanks for all the hard work on this blog. I currently have a bunch of $69 bids in - on names I believe have value (I don't care if others bid or not - if I like a name, I buy it if I can get it for a price I believe is reasonable). Some have no other bidders - others have many.

However, there does appear to be some fishy stuff going on. Here are 2 examples:

I bid on SUMMON.COM along with 55 others. Seems weird that this is even listed here - as it doesn't expire until 2018. So why is it listed? It currently has 56 bidders. Will this name be pulled because it doesn't expire - or did the guy list it via Fabulous or some other place - and just wants to see what he can get (and then he'll pull it if he's not happy?) Or did he renew it recently - after it went to 'auction'.

The second listing is for MILLIGRAM.COM. It has 130 bidders - with a high bid of $600. Seems legit - although it doesn't expire until Jan 2013. Shouldn't all pre-release names show expiry dates that have passed? As well - it sold in 2011 for >$1,000 via NameJet. So why would they guy let it expire - and then NameJet resells it? I don't get it.

Are these new scams?
Thanks much.

 

[Jordan22111]

Never get pre release anything, you are putting your ideas out there in hopes to get them registered. Wait for live auctions and expired domains or register brand new domain names.

 

[garptrader]

Yes I have seen this sort of activity before where the initial bidder backs out at the last minute or doesn't put any subsequent bid on a domain. IMO if you backorder a domain you should be willing to bid beyond the minimum to obtain it (without getting in a bidding war of course). But I suppose this might partially explain all the horrible domains at Namejet & Snapnames with backorders.

 

[tonecas]

ok, this is getting so "in your face" that i'm going to provide a kind of a "community service" to the less informed or new to the domain market.

the domains published here are all from the same owners. they are knowned from various names: LCOB, Nif ty Lemo de, Kirsten Lee, First In Performance, Volcano Internet Project, Finest Lemonade, LCH - CBA, Niphuad Molend, Three Amigos Online, Steph Berks, IP Admin, DNAV ASSOCS, DNA INC, F Porter, KZ Holding 1, S H Berkowitz, Super Names, LLLL Supersale, Mode L, GetYourOwn.TV, Rusty Nailor, Fnn Lemornde, KZNF, and the list goes on.

The phone numbers, emails and addresses change also, typically each 3 months, but less in the last year, and if one would believe them then they could be traced to US, Canada, Turkey, Switzerland, and other countries.

as they would not want to pay the whois privacy, and ence this false whois info, they made this little mistake and now try to cover their actions by putting privacy whois before the domains appear on NameJet so that no one connects the dots.

95% of these domains are crap but are permited to be sold by NameJet and typically have 3 to 5 bidders that will vanished when the auction begins, leaving you with the baby in your hands to care.

so, if you see domains in these conditions, bid at your own risk.

for today we have at least these ones:

adultfriendfucker.com
Byti.com (as it can be consider a CVCV.com, which is one of the hot segments, you can be safe in this one)
agsv.com
anaturalalternative.com
dallaslesbians.com
ddax.com
kfbn.com
mainz.info
mobilesmiles.com
phwt.com
selma.info
tonijames.com
tribalfood.com
wabh.com
wbaw.com
wmbo.com
wtiw.com

this ones are waiting for more bidders to come and are on some of the hot market segments so you can get away with them (CVCV.com, premium LLLL.com):

tecd.com
hodt.com
lilh.com
pdfe.com
mmho.com
dymi.com


regards,
tonecas

 

[tonecas]

for today we have at least these ones:

Wyna.com
thebuzzbox.com
sexpartnersearch.com
oerlemans.com
nbasuperstars.com
luscious.tv

regards,
tonecas

 

[tonecas]

more today:

castingfoundry.com
chineseherbalism.com
latahcounty.com
offshorejournal.com
venetianartglass.com

regards,
tonecas

 

[WORDSWORTH]

From what I understand, Fabulous.com customers can send their expiring domains to NJ and receive a % of the auction price if they sell. Unscrupulous owners could theoretically place fake backorders and/or shill bids at auction via duplicate/friend accounts to draw extra attention to their domains and pump up the price.

 

[tonecas]

From what I understand, Fabulous.com customers can send their expiring domains to NJ and receive a % of the auction price if they sell. Unscrupulous owners could theoretically place fake backorders and/or shill bids at auction via duplicate/friend accounts to draw extra attention to their domains and pump up the price.

i think you are right on the second part wordsworth

they could send through Fabulous but the domains are also registered with Enom which doesn't have that option for what i know.

in any case, the situation is so blatant that it is very obvious the scheme that's is taking place.

regards,
tonecas

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incredible how this is taking place... how far can you go to get a few bucks?...

now many domains have 2 bids. it's a little twist to the game.

here is the list for today. one can almost blindly spot them. the majority of domains that are not expired and are being listed nowdays at namejet come from the same source...

arizonarental.net
aboutwebcams.com
bellmancart.com
caboluxuryrental.com
cottontwine.com
cueguide.com
dallasrental.net
denverrental.net
discountadventuretravel.com
gaypridestickers.com
indianarental.net
islanda.net
klamath-falls.com
librosynovelas.com
macbank.com
machinetoolsupply.com
missourirental.net
newmexicoapartments.net
oklahomaapartments.net
oklahomarental.net
parishiltonsunglasses.com
querule.com
tamparental.net
virginiarentals.net
washingtonrental.net


regards,
tonecas

 

[mrjohn]

Frankly buying dropped domains is a hell of a lot easier.

 

[Tenk]

yep fell trap to this

have about 9 worth less domains which costed me around 630 usd

have learned form my mistakes

 

[tonecas]

yep fell trap to this

have about 9 worth less domains which costed me around 630 usd

have learned form my mistakes

if you don't mind me saying Tenk, i think you should argue with NameJet about this.

In theory one should only put a backorder on a domain if intends to buy it, but in practice many people don't do that and for various reasons: to get access to the final sell price; when there is interest by other bidders and one has not research the domain but can bid on it afterwards; etc.

The question here is not the (legal) reason for puting or not a bid. It is the blatant scam that is being permitted by NameJet.

NameJet lets these scammers put their crapy domains for sale, which not only lowers the quality of the domains on auction and goes aggainst the mambo jambo from NameJet only listing premium domains from clients, but most of all permits fake bids, which is a clear breach of the the marketplace rules.


For today we have:

aadtv.com
adultvibrations.com
aiug.com
akcpug.com
alabamasingles.net
allamateurpost.com
americanlibertyuniversity.com
amherstny.net
birchbay.org
broadvoce.com
dunsmuir.tv


regards,
Tonecas

 

[HeyNow]

for today we have at least these ones:

"These ones" is awful grammar. It's a common mistake, but it's just awful grammar. The correct statement would be: "For today we have these:"

 

[tonecas]

"These ones" is awful grammar. It's a common mistake, but it's just awful grammar. The correct statement would be: "For today we have these:"

:hehe:

thank you for your note HeyNow.

regards,
tonecas

 

[tonecas]

for today we have at least these:

autorental.info
bodybuildingsups.com
cedarcounty.com
homeenergysavers.net
otsv.com
ubmt.com
vapx.com

regards,
tonecas

 

[tonecas]

for today:

cancertips.net
canal43.tv
cashloanpros.com
cashregistersupply.com
charitablegifts.net
cdcy.com
cauu.com
ctutorial.com
graysharborcounty.org
igrw.com
independentinvestmentresearch.com
noon3.org
noon10.org
silverdealers.biz
thermoplasticelastomer.com
tnya.com
tucsontrips.com
visitwaldport.com
wellnessfacilities.com
yeson7.org
yesonc.org

regards,
tonecas

 

[Mokum]

I agree that something is going on, but for example cedarcountry.com & macbank.com are worth the 60 dollar....
Both are (looking at the whois) not pending delete names
Mokum

 

[Ultra]

domains that aren't pending delete (aren't expired) are being listed at namejet with fake bids?

 

[tonecas]

I agree that something is going on, but for example cedarcountry.com & macbank.com are worth the 60 dollar....
Both are (looking at the whois) not pending delete names
Mokum

yes, some have value. that's why i said that about 95% of the domains are crap...

it's "cedarcounty.com" that was listed and "macbank.com" only expires on Mar10.

in any case that is not the issue. even if 100% of the domains were valued it is nonethless a breach of market rules. if NameJet want's to help a few buddies sell their portfolios then at least list them with no bids in the first page for a few days, like i've seen it done before.

letting people make fake bids to simulate interest is very lame.

regards,
tonecas

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domains that aren't pending delete (aren't expired) are being listed at namejet with fake bids?

yes Ultra, that's exactly what's going on.

 

[tonecas]

for today we have:

ballgames.tv
AmerikkKa.com
babyadoption.tv
businesslaw.info
dannyrelief.com
dcmortgage.net
dctimes.net
diningandlodging.com
dragonboats.net
drycleaning.tv
dwatv.com
editor-publisher.com
eldercare.info
eroticland.net
erotikdreams.com
escottsdale.net
estateliquidations.biz
facilities4rent.com
facilities4sale.com
facilitiesforsale.com
federalreserve.info
huntingdonshire.tv
investwithconfidence.com
multicolorlight.com (seems to have expired. didn't find any byers previously...)
perception.info
politika.info
saturnaisland.org
siouxcityweekly.com
sourcing.info
visualarts.info
worldhunger.tv
www411.org


it's a heck of a dump and at $69 a piece, minus NameJet comission, it is still a good return on a (stupid) buying spree.


by the way, how is this domain listed? it is free to reg...

freelivemusic.tv

the domains at NameJet get funnier every day..

regards,
tonecas

 

[tonecas]

a few more today:

hbdd.com
demarcos.com
eastbaychannel.com
haew.com
hardcore-video.com
hoaw.com
hollywoodstarstour.com

regards,
tonecas