.tv Are you currently looking to buy .tv domains

[equity78]

In the secondary market not hand regging but paying $100 or more. Only looking for those who are to reply. List what areas you are looking for.

Using this thread to gauge buying interest in the market.

Do not post your domains in this thread to someone who replies they are looking.

 

[mckennaronnie]

:hi:

I am most definetley looking to buy more .tv's in the aftermarket.

In the past few months i have placed offers on around 50 .tv's via Sedo & Afternic but 90% of the time i have been countered by owners asking for prices like $50,000 for domains where the .com wouldnt even sell for half that.

The areas i am looking to buy are:
Geo's (European main Cities or Tourist areas)
Education (with high overture)
Adult
Keyword Channel.tv's
Also i like Canal (+number) I own Canal1.tv and would like a few similar.

I won around 25 .tv's right now and would like to own 30 - 35 Max, al but 1 of my domains are standard reg fee and in future i will only buy stabdard reg fee domains.

I really would like a handful of generic 1 word .tvs as by the time i got into .tv almost every 1 word domain was gone.

I am not sure how competitive the aftermarket is in .tv right now as i notice when i am looking at domains on Sedo then most of the .tv's havent had Bids on them yet or have only had 1,2 bids. It is very hard to buy in the aftermarket though right now in my experience as so many .tv owners are convinced their names are worth massive amounts of money already. I hope in coming months when many owners start to feel the pressure of renewal Fees then we can get some more sales & liquidity in the market.

Im not sure if this was type of thing you were asking about Equity but that is my personal position on buying aftermarket .tv's.

** Please dont PM me offering me all kinds of average .tv's and expect me to pay $1000 for them, i only want quality domains with ideally high overture **

Mckennaronnie

 

[poiuytrewq]

Yes. I have placed devral offers high $XXX on sedo. Sellers are being unreasonable in their demands however. I have made very realistic offers.

 

[BDM1]

Im looking for real estate names, either property or real estate as the main part. Geos actually.
Also looking for 2 and 3 letter domains that make sense.
Also looking for good casino/gambling names.

 

[mckennaronnie]

Yes. I have placed sevral offers high $XXX on sedo. Sellers are being unreasonable in their demands however. I have made very realistic offers.

I agree completely with you about this although i have been bidding on names at between $100 - $1500 there still tends to be a belief that all .tv's they own are worth BIG bucks.

I think maybe later this year there could be more sales as sellers start to get worried when renewal feed crop up. Judging by what i have seen on this forum there was a rush of .tv's bought between Autumn & Winter 2006 so by that time in 2007 lots of the people who bought many .tv's in that period will be worrying about the renewal fees and may sell at more reasonable prices.

**I forgot to add in my earlier post that i am also looking to buy Loans, finance & Credit .tv's
I am not sure if the situation is the same all over but in UK Finance companies who advertise on TV are using .tv domains more & more, i have seen more .tv's advertised in FInance sector than any other so far**

Mckennaronnie

 

[equity78]

Amazed I am sure you are right some people have very unrealistic valuations IMO for their domains right now. It may be worth more down the road but all of .tv potential is not going to be paid in 2007 IMO.

Thank you guys for posting

 

[shocko]

I'm having the exact same problem. You make a decent offer on a name and get back a crazy counter offer.

I'm interested in good quality Geo's and Travel mainly.

 

[Len]

I agree with the fact that some people think they have a domain that is worth thousands instead of low-mid $xxx. However, some of the offers I have received are ridiculously lowball and in many cases just an insult to my intelligence IMHO!!

 

[RogueWriter]

I have received so many lowball offers on my domains, it drives me nuts. I need to adjust my settings at sedo to force a minimum bid. That won't take care of those who offer via whois ingo, though. You want to impress me, make a high xxx offer or low x,xxx off the bat, and I know you are a serious buyer. Offer me $250 for a one word generic product of 500K OVT, that's not a serious play.

Just because a buyer missed out on the primary keywords by a few months or years, they shouldn't expect owners to just sell cheap to them, so they can in turn mark it up for an end user price.

 

[TLDnetworks]

Not really looking at buying any more unless an ideal name pops up in an area that I could find a way to monetize. The more I see Sedo, the more of a joke I think it is; too much anonymity and no accountablity IMO. Expected seller prices are unrealistily high, and buyer offers are unrealisticly low. All the press these days, and everyone thinks they've got the magical brass ring and ticket to retirement...

 

[poiuytrewq]

For example. I quite fancied this particular domain. It said 'Make Offer'. I offered 100 to get the ball rolling. No reply. Now that really annoys me. They say make offer and then don't even get back to you as if you've somehow insulted them. What am I gonna do? Offer 50,000 to start? I then offered 110 with a note saying "you obviously want to sell this or it wouldn't be up for sale. I want to buy it. Unfortunately, I am not psychic so unless you give me some idea of what you are looking for we can't progress"

He came back with 2,000. Very unrealistic. The name really isn't worth that much. I said 500 final offer. That would have been good for both of us. But that was that. Didn't hear another word. I guarantee that name will still be sitting there in a year's time.

I think the problem is this. Once you offer someone something, their ego gets inflated and they all of a sudden get delusions of grandeur and start thinking it's worth more than it is. But a large percentage of the time the sale falls flat and noone ever bids on it again.

Buyers and sellers both have to be realisitic about pricing.

 

[Len]

I think the final offer option should be used more often by the buyer. If you are in negotiation on Sedo it takes so long for each offer to be put before the buyer or seller that it becomes frustrating. When the buyer has reached their limit that they are willing to pay they should let the seller know.There are so many times when the seller never hears from the buyer after making a counter offer. The potential buyer is in control and should out of courtesy give you a final offer to consider.

 

[equity78]

I will say that most people are insulted by $100 offers, not that they should be but I have known people who flipped out like someone stole their car. How dare they offer me $100. I say well you could have a fixed price and not waste anyones time. Every domain I own I know what I want for it. There is a lottery ticket mentality with some people you offer $400 and its like oh maybe they are an end user and eventually they will offer $100,000. Most likely not it could happen once in a 100,000,000 you also could hit the lottery too.

I have always thought a marketplace that would do well would be one that said to list here you must have a price xxxxxxx.tv $200 I think it would be an efficient site, maybe not as much traffic as SEDO but certainly not as much bs as Sedo.

 

[poiuytrewq]

Absolutely. If they don't want to be insulted they should give some indication of what they want.

 

[Len]

I myself don't mind an intial bid of $100 on any domain I own. If I think it's only worth that then I will take the money, thank you very much! When I know that it is worth a whole lot more I respond with a higher figure,( although not too high as to frighten them away,) hoping to plateau out at a price that is reasonable to both parties.
My point about the lowball offers is when the buyer barely budges from their initial lowball offer no matter how much you drop from your initial counter.

 

[domainacrobat]

Im always looking for a deal! As I am sure everyone else is! I really only register my names at this point! I may buy a premium or two but too many folks are asking enduser pricing. I have made a few mid $XXX offers on sedo with no reply. I geuss they were just laughing, but I dont really care anyhow. I am just trying to get a deal! I am not the usual buyer and seller. I am only buying names that are a deal. Most folks look at names like collecting, I look for opportunity. I have no niche, my niche is opportunity! I do pay well for names if it is a great opportunity to make money flipping it. I have spent about 2k on the aftermarket myself which goes against every thing I believe in but it takes investments to turn a profit. I suggest that everyone do the same, dont get stuck in a niche right now, there are literally 50 names in my cart as we speak that I would register if I had the money! There is a load of opportunity in expiring and available names at the moment! My pholosiphy is high turn over! So the current market suits my need well. I do see things changing in the next 6 months however due to a strong lack of availability. I will be readjusting my business model to suit a lower quantity of inventory which means higher asking price. I see many folks have already done so which is ok if you dont mind renewing once or twice.
If I had to set my sights on a sector the best opportunity is in Geo names at the moment IMO. You could clean up many of them on the after market in the low XXX range. Keywords are scarce and it seems alot of bad KW are premium, so it would seem that the names to hold are single words with good overture. If I am to buy more names in the aftermarket it will most likely be any good single KW name. I would buy Geo names for fresh registrations, there are alot of interesting concepts and registrations left!

 

[TheBulldog]

I would like to see what people are actually looking for versus just asking if they are interested in paying over $100.

Right now the marketplace is here, the people doing any buying are mainly here, and by default they are looking for cheap cheap cheap. It isn't that the names are bad, more that people are just not buying right now.

And I don't mean just my names. Look at the for sale section, and you will see some names at great prices and NO ONE is buying. That tells me that people are being cautious right now and not wanting to invest until they see what the market will do. And since right now for the most part we ARE the market, that means that really no one is making large aquisitions of keyword domains.

You want keywords? Plenty for sale over there, no bites. Channel names? Yep, we got em, no one is buying. High overture? Once again, plenty there. In fact there are plenty of GREAT names under $100, and no one is really biting.

Basically, from a market perspective people are developing what they have and the purchases are sporadic at best. Don't get me wrong, there are sales. But in reality, it is people buying reg fee names, and that seems to be about it. I haven't seen a "I got this premium", or "I just bought xxxx.tv for $250, what a bargain!" threads in quite awhile.

So, how about very specificly what are people actually looking to buy instead? Instead of just a hypothetical, how about posting a thread of WHAT you are looking for and then seeing if people want it.

"I want to buy xxxxxchannel.tv related to pogo sticks" and we will see if people are really biting. I myself have some very good keywords that are ripe for tv, and even though I have gotten good replies here about value on the ones I have posted, I get more "hey, I see you own xxxxx.tv, I have one that would be great with it, want to buy it?". So basically, and I am guilty of this as well, there are far more sellers here then buyers.





In retrospect, this may sound angry, it isn't. Just would like to see what people who say they are buying are really looking for instead of just the endless sales threads with zero replies.

 

[equity78]

The other thing with .tv is you have new people who think they should own a few and go out and make lowball offers. Then sellers who have been more in touch with the extension feel like they have gold and are upset with lowball offers.

Sales wise more sales have taken place in the first six months of 07 then 05 and 06 combined

 

[domainacrobat]

I would like to see what people are actually looking for versus just asking if they are interested in paying over $100.

Right now the marketplace is here, the people doing any buying are mainly here, and by default they are looking for cheap cheap cheap. It isn't that the names are bad, more that people are just not buying right now.

And I don't mean just my names. Look at the for sale section, and you will see some names at great prices and NO ONE is buying. That tells me that people are being cautious right now and not wanting to invest until they see what the market will do. And since right now for the most part we ARE the market, that means that really no one is making large aquisitions of keyword domains.

You want keywords? Plenty for sale over there, no bites. Channel names? Yep, we got em, no one is buying. High overture? Once again, plenty there. In fact there are plenty of GREAT names under $100, and no one is really biting.

Basically, from a market perspective people are developing what they have and the purchases are sporadic at best. Don't get me wrong, there are sales. But in reality, it is people buying reg fee names, and that seems to be about it. I haven't seen a "I got this premium", or "I just bought xxxx.tv for $250, what a bargain!" threads in quite awhile.

So, how about very specificly what are people actually looking to buy instead? Instead of just a hypothetical, how about posting a thread of WHAT you are looking for and then seeing if people want it.

"I want to buy xxxxxchannel.tv related to pogo sticks" and we will see if people are really biting. I myself have some very good keywords that are ripe for tv, and even though I have gotten good replies here about value on the ones I have posted, I get more "hey, I see you own xxxxx.tv, I have one that would be great with it, want to buy it?". So basically, and I am guilty of this as well, there are far more sellers here then buyers.





In retrospect, this may sound angry, it isn't. Just would like to see what people who say they are buying are really looking for instead of just the endless sales threads with zero replies.

I understand your post and certainly agree, but there are reasons for the slowed pace in .TV sales. There are lots of great names for deals that no one is biting on. As long as you understand the nature of the beast its ok. I forecasted this slowdown. I have been anticipating a certain flow. Landrush type events create this type of flow:

1) mass interest and pandemonium while everyone tries to stake their claim. During this phase most folks are trying to post what they have without posting it "for sale", most sellers are reluctant to put their names up for sale during this period because they are afraid to undersell. My sales thread had been in opperation nearly 2 months prior to the re-release. I wanted to capitalize on the re-release hype so you must have a reseller rate thread available at the right time.

2) Immediately at the tail end of landrush type events any good names that are posted as "For Sale" start SELLING. 2 types of investors are created during this phase. The first type sees opportunity and has CAPITAL. These are usually domainers with experience and have capital specifically for buying domains. They cherry pick the best names from the current offerings. These paticular investors use their experience to judge timing and names to buy. This window lasts for up to 2 months.

3) Goodbye to fairweather friends... Landrush type events create several demographics. I have already discussed the first type. The second type is a fairweather invester who jumps on the bandwagon and invests without any type of plan just because everyone else is and usually spends more than they can afford. This type of domainer is unfortunately the most prevelant and usually the big loser at the end. They usually see sales and get dollar signs in their eyes so they buy alot of mediocre names hoping for a return they will never see. They usually buy up your cheap names and also register usless names that are just barely outside the realm of value, so much so it makes them even more frustrated.

4) The next step is the most important for the vast majority of domainers. After a few weeks Sales are at an all time high as far as volume of sales go. This spurs a 500% increase in Sales threads. What happens to a market when it is oversaturated? Prices drop in an effort to encourage sales. Right about now the first group of investors with capital cleans up remaining names they want to add to their portfolio at dirt cheap prices. Unfortunatley for group 2 of investors they are usually just getting into the act and just start to put their domains up for sale. At this time group 1 will hold for great ROI on names, this will cause a major decrease in RESELLER aftermarket sales. Enduser sales and pricing should be relatively unaffected at this point.

5) At this point there are two things to do if you have cheap prices and your names are not selling. Conventional wisdom says jump off the boat if its sinking... Your only options are reduce prices and sell super cheap even if it means taking a loss. Or..... take down your cheap prices and HOLD. If everyone took down their cheap prices it would create market demand for cheap names again. But most folks make their names cheaper and cheaper in a last ditch effort to salvage any profit. I have taken down my cheap prices and so has SearchingTV, between the two of us that takes 800 BIN names off the market. This phase usually clears out the Fairweather .TV domainers. During this time frame you should see the worst .TV registrations on earth.

6) Rebound. Every market rebounds. Energy is not lost it is converted into someting else. Eventually all of this money, effort and energy will convert in to super high enduser and even high reseller sales. The very begining of this will be at the NY traffic auction with StockMarket.tv - this should spur high reseller rate sales. This phase lasts longer than the first During this time alot of money can be made and even those with mediocre names should be able to sell their names again. With time and exposure will see more and more end user purchases.

After experiencing .Mobi I knew what to plan for. Me and enom have a similar agenda, sell to everyone, be both the walmart and the Neiman Marcus of .tv. (I saw someone post this saying before) I wanted to capitalize on the re-release, I did that very well, I also want to capitalize down the line with a bunch of high end names. IMO a few folks here should do very very well down the line including cashcowdomains and dcmike77 really capitalized from buying in the aftermarket at cheap reseller rates. I look forward to holding and seeing the evolution of .TV.

Just a note, after taking down my BIN prices I have sold 6 names and had several other offers that I turned down. You can create your own market if you have good names.

 

[TheBulldog]

Dacrobat, I understand and agree with all that, it is entirely expected. I was expanding more on what Equity was asking for versus bashing the low sales.....

A few here have said yes, they are looking, but they haven't given specifics. I was just commenting that in order to get a firm idea of what is being bought, it would be a nice thought to see specifically what people are looking for.

Yes, as soon as someone posts a "I am looking for x" then there will always be people that if they don't have a name will go out and register names. This is a bit foolish because a domainer will look to see when it was reg'd. If it was that day, then chances are the person selling reg'd it specifically for that request. Which is entirely silly because the person making the request was already out looking and for names for registration and didn't find one, that's why they asked.

My opinion is that if someone wants something, and you don't have it in your portfolio, don't go searching for a new name because it has already been looked for.

What I am guess i am trying to say is.......if the people in this thread that are saying they are buying are actually intersted in buying names over $100, then what specifically are they looking for. Between all of us here, there is surely someone who has what you may be looking for and is willing to sell.

From a market perspective, I do understand the cyclical nature of this beast, and I am here for the long haul. The best way to start that next phase of rebound is start a mini-market, if you will, here at namepros. Eventually others will trickle in as well, and the rebound will start to happen.

Unless, of course, what you were saying is that the rebound won't happen for another couple of years, which would really be bad since tv has been around for so long and the new blood of demand media re-launch didn't really kick start too much since they aren't marketing to end users.


So......if you are indeed looking to buy, what is it you are looking for? If you don't know, then it is hardly really like you are a buyer, more of a bargain hunter.