discuss Are random 4L .com really worth investing renewals?

[Akhilesh.Kumar]

Keep aside repeat letters, multiple vowels, pronounceable, known or prompt possible abbreviations etc, if you consider random combination of 4 letter to make a .com, is it really worth?
I mean all 4L are either bought-up from kid to young by paying their school fee (renewals) for 10-15 years or the orphans (drop/expired) are adopted at a high ransom (bid) from an open auction.

The no-meaning, non pronounceable random combination of 4 letters sells for $100-150 in auctions.
I was negotiating one on such auction platform where there was no bid due to high reserve. I threw an under reserve (micro) bid to mark presence. Post auction, the name lost it's esteem and jumped from Burj-Khalifa ($999) to pot hole ($99) and landed in my mail box with a low BIN offer.

And soon flashed in my mind, the name I am referring to is aged since 2005.
Since 2005, the name celebrated 15 birthdays and 15 birthday gifts (renewals) would have been somewhere equal to what the young man (4L.com domain) is earning today.

Saying this, I want to discuss with community/family- the valuable 4L.com including usable abbreviations, fancy combinations, repeat letters etc are valuable (understandably).
Is it true that all non sense (excuse the description. Not intended to insult) 4L.com are renewed and are expected to sell high just because of the fact that there are no free available 4L.com available like all dictionary words.
Or the names are waiting for future when sometime someone may think of a 4 word name for his/her firm and that coincidentally matches the waiting 4L.com for abbreviation.

Logically end user may prefer a decent 2 word name for $50-70 rather a no meaning 4L for $100-150

I am still a leaner and may not see what vintage domineers do. So trying to find out an understanding why is it so. Please do not see the post as sarcasm or challenging. I do not have any (not even 0.00001%) intentions to insult owners of any sort of 4L.com name.

Cheers... !!!

 

[Reddstagg]

Good morning.

I use the following to check abbreviations and acronyms for any current or past use of the letters.

www.acronymfinder.com

I hope this is of assistance to you.

Regards,

Reddstagg

 

[AEProgram]

"And soon flashed in my mind, the name I am referring to is aged since 2005.
Since 2005, the name celebrated 15 birthdays and 15 birthday gifts (renewals) would have been somewhere equal to what the young man (4L.com domain) is earning today."

He might have gotten the name a month ago for 50 bucks. Random 4L's change hands often. Very unlikely the person selling today is the one that held it all these years.

Random 4L's is like buying junk stocks. You hope someone comes along that is more gullible than you and pays more than you did. It is not a good way to invest.

And I agree a end user would rather a good two word name over random 4 letters.

 

[Samer]

Yes.

Only 456,976 exist; no #’s, special characters.

Law Supply & Demand (Plus, love acronyms)

“no meaning” subjective; many have meanings

 

[NickB]

Yes.

Only 456,976 exist; no #’s, special characters.

Law Supply & Demand (Plus, love acronyms)

“no meaning” subjective; many have meanings

That's a good point - always check that those so called "junk" LLLL don't have any specific (business applicable) acronyms - the more the better.......

 

[AEProgram]

Even if you buy a good two word keyword name it could take 15 renewals before someone buys it. The people that flip names quick are the exception not the rule. If a name is not good enough to hold 15 renewals I wouldn't buy it unless you are looking to flip for little or no money.

 

[CraigD]

So, ultimately do such names (4L .com) justify $100 renewals (total estimate) over years and years and then being sold for $100?

A benefit of actually owning a name for a long period of time would be in a trademark dispute.

If you registered a domain name prior to a company registering their name/acronym, you may be in a better position than someone who purchased it after the mark was registered.

 

[Future Sensors]

Here is an actual scenario.

I am about to jump in for a name registered in 2005. There is an active trademark for this very name. TM registered in 2020.
The name has been in someone (one or more) else's ownership but never dropped. Like registered in 2005 and still active.
Should I try to get this name considering the age of name is more then age of active TM
OR
Should I pass considering the age of TM would be more then age of my ownership on the name

Your thought my friend....
And anyone else is welcome too... Plz share what you think..

Cheers...!!!

You should also read about "change of ownership" in WIPO/UDRP decisions.

 

[NickB]

I searched "ADHJ" - with quotes on Google - total of 159,000 results

Looks like there is a small South African company using is at their stock acronym........

Also the .nl is developed (in Dutch) - single advisor for manufacturing companies by the look of it.....

 

[Future Sensors]

Also the .nl is developed (in Dutch) - single advisor for manufacturing companies by the look of it.....

"H-J" is his first name here. Advising on ERP/process improvement.

 

[CraigD]

This is an old article, but explains it relatively simply:

Aged domain names: a change in ownership is considered as a new registration in UDRP.

https://onlinedomain.com/2014/01/02...-is-considered-as-a-new-registration-in-udrp/

 

[AEProgram]

Glad I made some sense there. Thanks for your inputs.
By the way.. Where can I get a 4L.com for $50 ? .
I didn't see that happen yet, not even for most meaningless 4L.

keep an eye in the for sale section here

 

[NickB]

"H-J" is his first name here. Advising on ERP/process improvement.

small company working within 1 country and probably has no need for the .com version then?

Unitl/unless he expands....

 

[NickB]

So, ultimately do such names (4L .com) justify $100 renewals (total estimate) over years and years and then being sold for $100?

Say $8 for renewal - that would get you 12.5 years of renewals for $100 plus you bought one for $100 = $200

Meaning you have that amount of time to sell it to an end user for more OR maybe as more LLLL .com's get developed the wholesale price will increase over that time period as they become more scarcer?

 

[branding]

It's all about taking a gamble and about liquidity.

Invest some for a short period of time in whatever LLLL, if it doesn't pay off you're certain you can liquidate for at least a break even number within a day may you want/need to (if you bought wisely).

 

[branding]

You already insulted the owners of thousands of 4 letter dot com owners by terming these names as "all non sense 4L.com"

Please avoid sarcastic comments.

How would that be an insult? That's non sense

 

[branding]

Thanks for your understanding.
Enjoy your day.
Cheers...!!!

You're welcome. You worded it decent enough.

I would actually describe some random ones I own as crap, basically not even worth reg fee. Unless someone starts using a weird abbreviation, no brand value in it. The only reason they have value is because LLLL is 'scarce' and in demand.

 

[Akhilesh.Kumar]

You're welcome. You worded it decent enough.

I would actually describe some random ones I own as crap, basically not even worth reg fee. Unless someone starts using a weird abbreviation, no brand value in it. The only reason they have value is because LLLL is 'scarce' and in demand.

Bingo...!!!

That's my point. If it's not worth reg fee or 10 to 15 years of renewal fee investment, what's the point bidding $100-150 on such combination of 4 random letters?
They are just worth around $100 for the fact they are 4L dot com.

I tried buying some but could not convince myself to invest $100 for one name that doesn't make any sense. Rather I may prefer investing $100 doing hand reg for 15 names that make some sense.
IMO... Once again, not intent to insult anyone..

Cheers...!!!

 

[Future Sensors]

small company working within 1 country and probably has no need for the .com version then?

Unitl/unless he expands....

Think so too.

 

[CraigD]

Here is an actual scenario.

I am about to jump in for a name registered in 2005. There is an active trademark for this very name. TM registered in 2020.
The name has been in someone (one or more) else's ownership but never dropped. Like registered in 2005 and still active.
Should I try to get this name considering the age of name is more then age of active TM
OR
Should I pass considering the age of TM would be more then age of my ownership on the name

Your thought my friend....
And anyone else is welcome too... Plz share what you think..

Cheers...!!!

The original owner is probably safe, but you may be infringing on the mark.
TM law can be complex and there are various categories of marks.

 

[Future Sensors]

BTW @Future Sensors Do you have an article or write up about that interesting quote "78% of human domainers will be replaced by robots". If so, I would love to read.

Cheers...!!!

It's my guesstimate AI will be used, and will create better domains than most of us will ever do on this forum. Maybe these newly created domains will be used by robots, though...

The parties with access to all of our queries will have a huge advantage, like AOL had back in the days. In the future, the largest registries and DNS-over-HTTPS monopolies will have all information. But there are more. Lots and lots of other parties are in the path. Who will eventually monetize all this information in a smart AI way? Maybe I'm just as curious as you.

 

[theinvestor]

This is a good question and one of the main reasons I pivoted very early on from buying LLLL to buying quality LLLLL that is now worth way more than a random LLLL.

Although I still do own a few LLLL, I didn’t go purchasing random ones just for the sake to try to sell them for 20 years later at a possible loss.

 

[scrsteven]

Bad letter LLLL.com (like QZJX.com) are net losers if you hold them for passive resale: renewal expenses exceed end user sale income on average. Verisign and ICANN are the only winners.

 

[santis]

I have 3 domains 4L .com (zezd, tugv, ynvo) and holding for 4 years but no inquiries, I think I will liquidate them.

 

[Akhilesh.Kumar]

It's all about taking a gamble and about liquidity.

Invest some for a short period of time in whatever LLLL, if it doesn't pay off you're certain you can liquidate for at least a break even number within a day may you want/need to (if you bought wisely).

That's true.
It's like no or little risk for Reinvestor if invested for little time.